(06-22-2016 02:16 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 01:27 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 12:46 PM)Klak Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 11:54 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 11:37 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  I'm thinking it has more to do with App beating 3 G5's in OOC play, and GS beating 2 plus taking UGA to OT.

I would think it had more to do with who's coming back after all any team that loses it's starting quarterback is going to be suspect until proven otherwise. We all know stAte has talent and should do fine but we have also seen otherwise great teams fizzle without leadership at QB.

There was a 2014 top SBC team that lost a QB and several other key pieces and finished with a losing record in 2015. Leading up to 2015, Cajuns were saying that Broadway wasn't that good and the guys behind him were better.

And you would think that most SBC fans would know not to rely on transfers to be world beaters. Sometimes they work out, most times they don't. Rarely do they finish all-conference.

How nice of you to only list examples that support your view. Let's see if I can do it. Before the 2012 season an SEC had lost their Sr starting QB who was drafted 8th overall. Of course the production at QB would drop off after losing an experienced Sr who was good enough to be drafted 8th. They didn't have any clear cut leaders and then a redshirt freshman won the job. His name, Johnny Manziel.

In 2015 a peer team in another conference got a grad transfer from a P5 school. This QB lost his starting job and was wished a slow and painful death by his school's fans. He was criticized for being a one-dimensional running QB. Well, Jeff Driskel went on to pass for over 4000k yards and 27 TD's at La Tech.

Well that wasn't too hard. Voytik or Hansen won't be a Johnny Manziel or Jeff Driskel, but they will be better than Tabary, and could quite possibly be better than Knighten. I don't go along with Seminole and agree we are head and shoulders above everyone else in the conference. I think we are one of the top teams in the conference. We could lose 2 or 3 conference games, or we could run the table again. It's the offseason and I'm optimistic so I'll go for the latter for now.

Look. We've faced essentially every different way you can come in to a new season. They always pick us somewhere other than 1 for whichever reason is in play that offseason. Then we come back and win the league and it's all forgotten.

I've seen the story play out 4 of the last 5 years.

It's ok, when we win the league again in December they'll probably have to **** the board down because of all the reminders of this offseason I'll be bumping back to the top.




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Only the last two years are "slightly" relevant in the Sun Belt when predicting future performance of a former conference leader. Slightly due to the fact that the two newest members "storied members" entered with substantially fewer football players transitioning from FCS to FBS and both are immediately competing for titles and contributing to the tune of the largest spread and point total in SB Bowl history against the MAC champs and a conference championship in year ONE. Why you folks bring up the previous five years to make your point given this vastly different landscape is a bit of a head scratcher. If a former leader holds fort with the new make up of the conference he's winning OOC and gone and soon. That is you Ark state. Good luck!

(06-22-2016 03:23 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:16 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 01:27 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 12:46 PM)Klak Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 11:54 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I would think it had more to do with who's coming back after all any team that loses it's starting quarterback is going to be suspect until proven otherwise. We all know stAte has talent and should do fine but we have also seen otherwise great teams fizzle without leadership at QB.

There was a 2014 top SBC team that lost a QB and several other key pieces and finished with a losing record in 2015. Leading up to 2015, Cajuns were saying that Broadway wasn't that good and the guys behind him were better.

And you would think that most SBC fans would know not to rely on transfers to be world beaters. Sometimes they work out, most times they don't. Rarely do they finish all-conference.

How nice of you to only list examples that support your view. Let's see if I can do it. Before the 2012 season an SEC had lost their Sr starting QB who was drafted 8th overall. Of course the production at QB would drop off after losing an experienced Sr who was good enough to be drafted 8th. They didn't have any clear cut leaders and then a redshirt freshman won the job. His name, Johnny Manziel.

In 2015 a peer team in another conference got a grad transfer from a P5 school. This QB lost his starting job and was wished a slow and painful death by his school's fans. He was criticized for being a one-dimensional running QB. Well, Jeff Driskel went on to pass for over 4000k yards and 27 TD's at La Tech.

Well that wasn't too hard. Voytik or Hansen won't be a Johnny Manziel or Jeff Driskel, but they will be better than Tabary, and could quite possibly be better than Knighten. I don't go along with Seminole and agree we are head and shoulders above everyone else in the conference. I think we are one of the top teams in the conference. We could lose 2 or 3 conference games, or we could run the table again. It's the offseason and I'm optimistic so I'll go for the latter for now.

Look. We've faced essentially every different way you can come in to a new season. They always pick us somewhere other than 1 for whichever reason is in play that offseason. Then we come back and win the league and it's all forgotten.

I've seen the story play out 4 of the last 5 years.

It's ok, when we win the league again in December they'll probably have to **** the board down because of all the reminders of this offseason I'll be bumping back to the top.




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Only the last two years are "slightly" relevant in the Sun Belt when predicting future performance of a former conference leader. Slightly due to the fact that the two newest members "storied members" entered with substantially fewer football players transitioning from FCS to FBS and both are immediately competing for titles and contributing to the tune of the largest spread and point total in SB Bowl history against the MAC champs and a conference championship in year ONE. Why you folks bring up the previous five years to make your point given this vastly different landscape is a bit of a head scratcher. If a former leader holds fort with the new make up of the conference he's winning OOC and gone and soon. That is you Ark state. Good luck!

A lot of people in the sports writing/talk business just don't get that large truth: that past performance is never a solid indicator of future performance. Just look at the Cubs getting (apparently) swept by the Cardinals right now for a great example.

(06-22-2016 03:23 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:16 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 01:27 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 12:46 PM)Klak Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 11:54 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I would think it had more to do with who's coming back after all any team that loses it's starting quarterback is going to be suspect until proven otherwise. We all know stAte has talent and should do fine but we have also seen otherwise great teams fizzle without leadership at QB.

There was a 2014 top SBC team that lost a QB and several other key pieces and finished with a losing record in 2015. Leading up to 2015, Cajuns were saying that Broadway wasn't that good and the guys behind him were better.

And you would think that most SBC fans would know not to rely on transfers to be world beaters. Sometimes they work out, most times they don't. Rarely do they finish all-conference.

How nice of you to only list examples that support your view. Let's see if I can do it. Before the 2012 season an SEC had lost their Sr starting QB who was drafted 8th overall. Of course the production at QB would drop off after losing an experienced Sr who was good enough to be drafted 8th. They didn't have any clear cut leaders and then a redshirt freshman won the job. His name, Johnny Manziel.

In 2015 a peer team in another conference got a grad transfer from a P5 school. This QB lost his starting job and was wished a slow and painful death by his school's fans. He was criticized for being a one-dimensional running QB. Well, Jeff Driskel went on to pass for over 4000k yards and 27 TD's at La Tech.

Well that wasn't too hard. Voytik or Hansen won't be a Johnny Manziel or Jeff Driskel, but they will be better than Tabary, and could quite possibly be better than Knighten. I don't go along with Seminole and agree we are head and shoulders above everyone else in the conference. I think we are one of the top teams in the conference. We could lose 2 or 3 conference games, or we could run the table again. It's the offseason and I'm optimistic so I'll go for the latter for now.

Look. We've faced essentially every different way you can come in to a new season. They always pick us somewhere other than 1 for whichever reason is in play that offseason. Then we come back and win the league and it's all forgotten.

I've seen the story play out 4 of the last 5 years.

It's ok, when we win the league again in December they'll probably have to **** the board down because of all the reminders of this offseason I'll be bumping back to the top.




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Only the last two years are "slightly" relevant in the Sun Belt when predicting future performance of a former conference leader. Slightly due to the fact that the two newest members "storied members" entered with substantially fewer football players transitioning from FCS to FBS and both are immediately competing for titles and contributing to the tune of the largest spread and point total in SB Bowl history against the MAC champs and a conference championship in year ONE. Why you folks bring up the previous five years to make your point given this vastly different landscape is a bit of a head scratcher. If a former leader holds fort with the new make up of the conference he's winning OOC and gone and soon. That is you Ark state. Good luck!

There are the last two years since you guys have been here.

Maybe we should just beat up on App since they're the only team not to run the table or beat a 10 win team.



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I think the thing here is that stAte fans are well aware that App and GS are our top 2 challengers for the title. We're only commenting about never being picked first, because this is now the 5th straight year when we've been given various reasons why some other team is going to win the Sun Belt. Originally FIU was going to be too good, and then Middle and ULL were too good, and then ULL alone was too good, and last year it was App and GS. 4 out of those years, we've won the title.

You'll have to excuse us for not being entirely used to being underrated in preseason predictions. No one is complaining because we don't think the two of you are capable of winning or something, it's just we're tired of hearing why we can't win every single year.

(06-22-2016 03:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

There are the last two years since you guys have been here.

Now that's old school and a bit sad.

(06-22-2016 05:03 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 03:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

There are the last two years since you guys have been here.

Now that's old school and a bit sad.

Back in my day we worked for things. Just trying to instill that in our conference brethren.


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(06-22-2016 05:03 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 03:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

There are the last two years since you guys have been here.

Now that's old school and a bit sad.

Just one small detail. 7-6 + 9-4 = 16-10

(06-22-2016 06:06 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 05:03 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 03:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

There are the last two years since you guys have been here.

Now that's old school and a bit sad.

Just one small detail. 7-6 + 9-4 = 16-10

Yeah, I put the wrong numbers together on that one.


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Looks better as 16-7.....details....

(06-22-2016 06:08 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 06:06 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 05:03 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 03:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

There are the last two years since you guys have been here.

Now that's old school and a bit sad.

Just one small detail. 7-6 + 9-4 = 16-10

Yeah, I put the wrong numbers together on that one.


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Just one? Check your math on the App St record too.

(06-22-2016 06:29 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 06:08 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 06:06 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 05:03 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 03:53 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

There are the last two years since you guys have been here.

Now that's old school and a bit sad.

Just one small detail. 7-6 + 9-4 = 16-10

Yeah, I put the wrong numbers together on that one.


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Just one? Check your math on the App St record too.

Yeah, clearly a typo.


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LOL
Did he get any of it correct?

This is a great history lesson but for the SBC's sake I hope Ark St., App, or GS doesn't repeat last Ark St.s 2015 results.

(06-22-2016 06:58 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  LOL
Did he get any of it correct?

Keep it up. I'll send blackie to help you move.


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(06-22-2016 07:19 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  This is a great history lesson but for the SBC's sake I hope Ark St., App, or GS doesn't repeat last Ark St.s 2015 results.

Say what?


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One thing constantly overlooked, but the win over 10-4 Utah State was probably the best win in the league OOC games in the last two years.

Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

But yeah, we suck at OOC all the time.


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(06-22-2016 09:01 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

#4 if you count APP's win over MICH, #3 if you don't.

(06-22-2016 09:01 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  One thing constantly overlooked, but the win over 10-4 Utah State was probably the best win in the league OOC games in the last two years.

Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

But yeah, we suck at OOC all the time.


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Are you saying that APP and Georgia Southern folks are saying stAte sucks vs non-conference teams but neither can produce 2 better non-conference wins since 2012? I'll hang up and listen . . .

Ark St fans attempting to beat their chests comparing themselves to two teams with a combined four seasons in the FBS and playing at a minimum one-third of their players recruited while they were FCS. Kudos boys you beat Utah St, great win, very impressive.

(06-22-2016 09:01 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  One thing constantly overlooked, but the win over 10-4 Utah State was probably the best win in the league OOC games in the last two years.

Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

But yeah, we suck at OOC all the time.


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I'd rather beat Florida in the swamp for the first time by and FCS team in history and take Georgia to overtime in Athens and blowing out Bowling green MAC champs with greatest point total in conference bowl history with less than a full FBS roster over eking out a W over Kent state at number 10. Where is Kent state anyway?