The meeting will take place this Sunday in Dallas. http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sport.../71349570/

Can someone please re-do/fix this link and post for everyone.Thanks in advance.

Link may be working now.

(08-28-2015 11:44 PM)slycat Wrote:  CCU isn't ready facility or support wise.

They have better facilities than Texas State in everything but football... same goes with most of the Sun Belt in that department.

This add isn't about football...never has been. This is a basketball add that just happens to play football. One day, there football will be in the league. That's probably 2017 or 2018. There's a lot of time between now and then.

I'm excited tbh either school I find to be a great add, funny how not even 1 year in we are writing off all the fcs teams, both have adv. And dis. But either way I'm happy, however troy fan that early on said coastal could beat us I say unlikely at the moment, Starr of last season? Absolutely, now that we are in full fbs swing? I'd say 95% chance we win.

Looking forward to Sunday my gut tells me 2, it'll be announced idaho won't be renewed after their contract is up

(08-29-2015 12:21 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  I'm excited tbh either school I find to be a great add, funny how not even 1 year in we are writing off all the fcs teams, both have adv. And dis. But either way I'm happy, however troy fan that early on said coastal could beat us I say unlikely at the moment, Starr of last season? Absolutely, now that we are in full fbs swing? I'd say 95% chance we win.

This isn't a question of a game this season. It's a game in 2017 or 2018 when the other team has been able to add scholarships as well.

(08-29-2015 12:22 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  Looking forward to Sunday my gut tells me 2, it'll be announced idaho won't be renewed after their contract is up

I expect we will hear nothing at all out of the conference on Sunday, and half this board will be pulling their hair out by the end of the day.

(08-29-2015 12:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 11:44 PM)slycat Wrote:  CCU isn't ready facility or support wise.

They have better facilities than Texas State in everything but football... same goes with most of the Sun Belt in that department.

This add isn't about football...never has been. This is a basketball add that just happens to play football. One day, there football will be in the league. That's probably 2017 or 2018. There's a lot of time between now and then.

There basketball is nothing special and our baseball is fine. But in the end what drives everything is football unless you are really strong in something else like NMSU in bball. I don't mind CCU but they need to show that they can get the support. I just don't see it. Also get rid of that awful children's field color.

(08-29-2015 12:34 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 11:44 PM)slycat Wrote:  CCU isn't ready facility or support wise.

They have better facilities than Texas State in everything but football... same goes with most of the Sun Belt in that department.

This add isn't about football...never has been. This is a basketball add that just happens to play football. One day, there football will be in the league. That's probably 2017 or 2018. There's a lot of time between now and then.

There basketball is nothing special and our baseball is fine. But in the end what drives everything is football unless you are really strong in something else like NMSU in bball. I don't mind CCU but they need to show that they can get the support. I just don't see it. Also get rid of that awful children's field color.

Their baseball stadium is brand new

Just a reminder of their Olympic Sports Qualifications.

Back to Back NCAA Tourney appearences (Basketball)

I believe something like 4 straight Regionals in baseball. They've hosted 2 regionals in the last few years, and recently played in a Super. Were ranked top 25 this season, and were ranked ahead of every single Sun Belt Team.

Men's Soccer is in the top 25 in the country, and they have a brand new Soccer complex.

They've also beaten their competition (Ergo, Liberty) in the Big South version of the Bubbas Cup the last several years. They report an Athletic Budget that is already close to what most SBC programs offer.


Now...if we got into football: They made the FCS Quarterfinals last year and were very darn close to beating NDSU in Fargo in that game. They finished in the Top 10 of FCS, and will start this year ranked in the Top 5. Their Weakness is the 9K seat stadium, and the Teal field. They've indicated they have plans in place to expand stadium to 20K. Now, attendance was around 8200 last year. But it's again worth mentioning that the stadium only seated 9K, so it's not like they could ever draw very well. Lets allow the program time to develop its basically brand new alum base before we complain that they won't be able to compete.

At worst, they'll be middle half of the league year 1 in football. Probably will be competing for league titles in basketball and baseball, while their Soccer program will spend the entire season destroying our Men's Soccer programs regularly

The league has said this several times. This add is all about the best all around program. That is Coastal Carolina.

sigh....lets just shut the hell up, end this never ending debate, and just bring them in and be done with it...if we our going to roll the dice with an almost totally unproven program it might as well be CC. What the hell, if they fail or succeed we can always blame or give credit to our commissioner

I hope Eastern Kentucky gets in to the Sun Belt so that Ohio Valley can replace them with Northern Kentucky.

(08-29-2015 12:43 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:34 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 11:44 PM)slycat Wrote:  CCU isn't ready facility or support wise.

They have better facilities than Texas State in everything but football... same goes with most of the Sun Belt in that department.

This add isn't about football...never has been. This is a basketball add that just happens to play football. One day, there football will be in the league. That's probably 2017 or 2018. There's a lot of time between now and then.

There basketball is nothing special and our baseball is fine. But in the end what drives everything is football unless you are really strong in something else like NMSU in bball. I don't mind CCU but they need to show that they can get the support. I just don't see it. Also get rid of that awful children's field color.

Their baseball stadium is brand new

Just a reminder of their Olympic Sports Qualifications.

Back to Back NCAA Tourney appearences (Basketball)

I believe something like 4 straight Regionals in baseball. They've hosted 2 regionals in the last few years, and recently played in a Super. Were ranked top 25 this season, and were ranked ahead of every single Sun Belt Team.

Men's Soccer is in the top 25 in the country, and they have a brand new Soccer complex.

They've also beaten their competition (Ergo, Liberty) in the Big South version of the Bubbas Cup the last several years. They report an Athletic Budget that is already close to what most SBC programs offer.


Now...if we got into football: They made the FCS Quarterfinals last year and were very darn close to beating NDSU in Fargo in that game. They finished in the Top 10 of FCS, and will start this year ranked in the Top 5. Their Weakness is the 9K seat stadium, and the Teal field. They've indicated they have plans in place to expand stadium to 20K. Now, attendance was around 8200 last year. But it's again worth mentioning that the stadium only seated 9K, so it's not like they could ever draw very well. Lets allow the program time to develop its basically brand new alum base before we complain that they won't be able to compete.

At worst, they'll be middle half of the league year 1 in football. Probably will be competing for league titles in basketball and baseball, while their Soccer program will spend the entire season destroying our Men's Soccer programs regularly

The league has said this several times. This add is all about the best all around program. That is Coastal Carolina.

The concern I see is they don't show the same immediate potential that Georgia Southern and Appalachian State had when they first joined the Sun Belt. Coastal Carolina has been in the FCS playoffs four out of the last five seasons. Yet, the last five years their average attendance hasn't every been in the FCS top 30 (in attendance) like Ga.So. and App State were yearly prior to making the FBS move. Even Liberty right now is averaging near 17K in attendance yearly. There is still a question whether Conway, SC population (16,317) can support an FBS program.

2010: 7,762 (record: 6-6, Big South Co-Champs, FCS 1st round), Stadium Capacity: 9,112
2011: 8,365 (record: 7-4)
2012: 8,030 (record: 8-5, Big South Co-Champs, FCS 2nd round) Stadium "New" Capacity: 9,214
2013: 7,468 (record: 12-3, Big South Co-Champs, FCS Quarter Finals)
2014: 8,727 (record: 12-2, Big South Co-Champs, FCS Quarter Finals)

With Coastal Carolina's recent football success, I would think the SBC's Presidents, and ADs would've liked to have seen the CCU Administration be more "proactive" about about their desire to be in the FBS by expanding their stadium and fan base over 15K prior to an SBC invite rather than simply "expecting" the SBC Expansion Committee to take their word that they can meet FBS requirements if invited; considering the possibility they might not be able to sustain their recent football success.

Despite the SBC's desire to get to 12 members, the SBC still has the luxury of waiting to see if Coastal Carolina and the others will really show the commitment needed to build their football programs up to an FBS level.

(08-29-2015 05:31 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:43 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:34 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 11:44 PM)slycat Wrote:  CCU isn't ready facility or support wise.

They have better facilities than Texas State in everything but football... same goes with most of the Sun Belt in that department.

This add isn't about football...never has been. This is a basketball add that just happens to play football. One day, there football will be in the league. That's probably 2017 or 2018. There's a lot of time between now and then.

There basketball is nothing special and our baseball is fine. But in the end what drives everything is football unless you are really strong in something else like NMSU in bball. I don't mind CCU but they need to show that they can get the support. I just don't see it. Also get rid of that awful children's field color.

Their baseball stadium is brand new

Just a reminder of their Olympic Sports Qualifications.

Back to Back NCAA Tourney appearences (Basketball)

I believe something like 4 straight Regionals in baseball. They've hosted 2 regionals in the last few years, and recently played in a Super. Were ranked top 25 this season, and were ranked ahead of every single Sun Belt Team.

Men's Soccer is in the top 25 in the country, and they have a brand new Soccer complex.

They've also beaten their competition (Ergo, Liberty) in the Big South version of the Bubbas Cup the last several years. They report an Athletic Budget that is already close to what most SBC programs offer.


Now...if we got into football: They made the FCS Quarterfinals last year and were very darn close to beating NDSU in Fargo in that game. They finished in the Top 10 of FCS, and will start this year ranked in the Top 5. Their Weakness is the 9K seat stadium, and the Teal field. They've indicated they have plans in place to expand stadium to 20K. Now, attendance was around 8200 last year. But it's again worth mentioning that the stadium only seated 9K, so it's not like they could ever draw very well. Lets allow the program time to develop its basically brand new alum base before we complain that they won't be able to compete.

At worst, they'll be middle half of the league year 1 in football. Probably will be competing for league titles in basketball and baseball, while their Soccer program will spend the entire season destroying our Men's Soccer programs regularly

The league has said this several times. This add is all about the best all around program. That is Coastal Carolina.

The concern I see is they don't show the same immediate potential that Georgia Southern and Appalachian State had when they first joined the Sun Belt. Coastal Carolina has been in the FCS playoffs four out of the last five seasons. Yet, the last five years their average attendance hasn't every been in the FCS top 30 (in attendance) like Ga.So. and App State were yearly prior to making the FBS move. Even Liberty right now is averaging near 17K in attendance yearly. There is still a question whether Conway, SC population (16,317) can support an FBS program.

2010: 7,762 (record: 6-6, Big South Co-Champs, FCS 1st round), Stadium Capacity: 9,112
2011: 8,365 (record: 7-4)
2012: 8,030 (record: 8-5, Big South Co-Champs, FCS 2nd round) Stadium "New" Capacity: 9,214
2013: 7,468 (record: 12-3, Big South Co-Champs, FCS Quarter Finals)
2014: 8,727 (record: 12-2, Big South Co-Champs, FCS Quarter Finals)

With Coastal Carolina's recent football success, I would think the SBC's Presidents, and ADs would've liked to have seen the CCU Administration be more "proactive" about about their desire to be in the FBS by expanding their stadium and fan base over 15K prior to an SBC invite rather than simply "expecting" the SBC Expansion Committee to take their word that they can meet FBS requirements if invited; considering the possibility they might not be able to sustain their recent football success.

Despite the SBC's desire to get to 12 members, the SBC still has the luxury of waiting to see if Coastal Carolina and the others will really show the commitment needed to build their football programs up to an FBS level.

Why are we arguing about this? The best all around program to add is Coastal. It's not even close. Their football success, location and rapid growth are all icing on the cake. To top it off: they don't need to raise money for facilities improvement in football. Let me say that again: The don't need to raise money. They have the money for expansion to 20k in an a reserve account. In addition, they benefit from a tourism tax that was recently passed in Horry County (Myrtle Beach) that will pour revenues estimated at over $50 million dollars in the first 5 years directly into CCU to use for campus improvement and expansion. They already have an athletics budget at $20+ million which is huge for an FCS school.

This has no brainer written all over it. Carry on.

(08-28-2015 02:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The Sun Belt Conference has enough internal support to add a 12th member and has focused its search on current Football Championship Subdivision members Coastal Carolina and Eastern Kentucky, a person with knowledge of the conversations told USA TODAY Sports. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the matter is supposed to be private.

A decision on which school to add and formal vote should come within the next few weeks, if not days.

"They have enough votes," the person said. "They have already visited the campuses."

Commissioner Karl Benson didn't immediately return a call seeking comment


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../71322494/

I think there is consensus to add one. That would be Coastal. That could be handled over the phone. The only reason then, for presidents to meet in person tomorrow is to discuss something else. To hear the committee's suggestion of an alternate course of action. Fully expect one will be added, but the agenda will have a discussion of adding three. Are the presidents willing to finish this out now? Or do they want to do this again in another year when decisions have to be made about Idaho in particular. What else on agenda? Championship game timing and format? Status of a 5th bowl tie-in? COA? Hmm.

(08-29-2015 05:31 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:43 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:34 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 11:44 PM)slycat Wrote:  CCU isn't ready facility or support wise.

They have better facilities than Texas State in everything but football... same goes with most of the Sun Belt in that department.

This add isn't about football...never has been. This is a basketball add that just happens to play football. One day, there football will be in the league. That's probably 2017 or 2018. There's a lot of time between now and then.

There basketball is nothing special and our baseball is fine. But in the end what drives everything is football unless you are really strong in something else like NMSU in bball. I don't mind CCU but they need to show that they can get the support. I just don't see it. Also get rid of that awful children's field color.

Their baseball stadium is brand new

Just a reminder of their Olympic Sports Qualifications.

Back to Back NCAA Tourney appearences (Basketball)

I believe something like 4 straight Regionals in baseball. They've hosted 2 regionals in the last few years, and recently played in a Super. Were ranked top 25 this season, and were ranked ahead of every single Sun Belt Team.

Men's Soccer is in the top 25 in the country, and they have a brand new Soccer complex.

They've also beaten their competition (Ergo, Liberty) in the Big South version of the Bubbas Cup the last several years. They report an Athletic Budget that is already close to what most SBC programs offer.


Now...if we got into football: They made the FCS Quarterfinals last year and were very darn close to beating NDSU in Fargo in that game. They finished in the Top 10 of FCS, and will start this year ranked in the Top 5. Their Weakness is the 9K seat stadium, and the Teal field. They've indicated they have plans in place to expand stadium to 20K. Now, attendance was around 8200 last year. But it's again worth mentioning that the stadium only seated 9K, so it's not like they could ever draw very well. Lets allow the program time to develop its basically brand new alum base before we complain that they won't be able to compete.

At worst, they'll be middle half of the league year 1 in football. Probably will be competing for league titles in basketball and baseball, while their Soccer program will spend the entire season destroying our Men's Soccer programs regularly

The league has said this several times. This add is all about the best all around program. That is Coastal Carolina.

The concern I see is they don't show the same immediate potential that Georgia Southern and Appalachian State had when they first joined the Sun Belt. Coastal Carolina has been in the FCS playoffs four out of the last five seasons. Yet, the last five years their average attendance hasn't every been in the FCS top 30 (in attendance) like Ga.So. and App State were yearly prior to making the FBS move. Even Liberty right now is averaging near 17K in attendance yearly. There is still a question whether Conway, SC population (16,317) can support an FBS program.

2010: 7,762 (record: 6-6, Big South Co-Champs, FCS 1st round), Stadium Capacity: 9,112
2011: 8,365 (record: 7-4)
2012: 8,030 (record: 8-5, Big South Co-Champs, FCS 2nd round) Stadium "New" Capacity: 9,214
2013: 7,468 (record: 12-3, Big South Co-Champs, FCS Quarter Finals)
2014: 8,727 (record: 12-2, Big South Co-Champs, FCS Quarter Finals)

With Coastal Carolina's recent football success, I would think the SBC's Presidents, and ADs would've liked to have seen the CCU Administration be more "proactive" about about their desire to be in the FBS by expanding their stadium and fan base over 15K prior to an SBC invite rather than simply "expecting" the SBC Expansion Committee to take their word that they can meet FBS requirements if invited; considering the possibility they might not be able to sustain their recent football success.

Despite the SBC's desire to get to 12 members, the SBC still has the luxury of waiting to see if Coastal Carolina and the others will really show the commitment needed to build their football programs up to an FBS level.

One thing you should keep in mind is that before March of this year Coastal wasn't even thinking FBS. The Sun Belt essentially recruited Coastal this year. So I think the Sun Belt will have patience with Coastal's stadium and attendance.

Also, you list Conway's population but the Horry County area is much larger and all would be seen as potential to support Coastal.

(08-29-2015 04:23 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  I hope Eastern Kentucky gets in to the Sun Belt so that Ohio Valley can replace them with Northern Kentucky.

I hope not. Give me una anyday.

(08-28-2015 11:44 PM)slycat Wrote:  CCU isn't ready facility or support wise.

Neither is EKU but those seem to be the options. At least CCU is up to par in every sport besides football.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sport.../71349570/

So the meeting is tomorrow in Dallas according to this article.

(08-29-2015 07:26 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 11:44 PM)slycat Wrote:  CCU isn't ready facility or support wise.

Neither is EKU but those seem to be the options. At least CCU is up to par in every sport besides football.

No, they are kind of up to par in football, at least with the bottom half of the Sunbelt. You've watch enough FCS teams play to know they match up quite well with a lot of the lower g5 teams and can probably wipe them off the map.

I wouldn't use city population as an indication of fan support. Boone has just over 18,000 while Atlanta has almost 1,000,000 in the city limits. We all know what the crowds look like on Saturday at each school.