maybe next time, ask for your transfer in April

(07-14-2015 03:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:42 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  It doesn't hurt Memphis. It hurts the Nichols family and Pastner.

Neither of which should be associated with the program next season.

True enough.

Though Memphis is taking a hit with this right now as well.

Sure, but any new coach can spin this off of us. Hell, I think any of us could. It'll make Memphis look good when they step in and say hey, let him go. It'll make Pastner look worse, and it'll make the Nichols' look like over dramatic babies.

I've checked a few other team boards and alot of them are saying Nichols looks like a head case.

that's why I have been saying this is stupid and not good for either side.

How many schools restrict the transfer list to over 40 schools?

Quit comparing apples and donkey nuts.

(07-14-2015 03:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:42 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  It doesn't hurt Memphis. It hurts the Nichols family and Pastner.

Neither of which should be associated with the program next season.

True enough.

Though Memphis is taking a hit with this right now as well.

You just contradicted your self, saying Memphis was taking a hit - his original post stated that it doesn't "hurt" Memphis.

Memphis is going to take the hits, future recruits watching this will without a doubt think about this university as negative. The sound bite will be AN wanted to transfer and Memphis has 40 schools listed.

(07-14-2015 03:47 PM)pwman Wrote:  Most schools condition transfers of players before they graduate.

Most players accept this.

Few don't and complain.

Okay - what were Nick King's conditions?

Pookie Powell?

Kuran Iverson?

What is the average number of conditions for most transferring players?

Let's compare and contrast and be fair in judgement then.

I don't know the exact number - maybe 40 (if that is indeed the number) is excessive, maybe it is normal.

(07-14-2015 03:49 PM)PickwickTiger Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:42 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  It doesn't hurt Memphis. It hurts the Nichols family and Pastner.

Neither of which should be associated with the program next season.

True enough.

Though Memphis is taking a hit with this right now as well.

You just contradicted your self, saying Memphis was taking a hit - his original post stated that it doesn't "hurt" Memphis.

Memphis is going to take the hits, future recruits watching this will without a doubt think about this university as negative. The sound bite will be AN wanted to transfer and Memphis has 40 schools listed.

I was saying true enough to the fact that Nichols/Pastner take the biggest hits - Memphis still gets dinged on this.

(07-14-2015 03:47 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:46 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:39 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I actually can see this shaking out odd, but for the life of me, why is UVA restricted. AAC, 15-16 opponents and UtK make sense. UVA seems like a reach.

Why not let him go to UVA, wish him well and move on?

Virginia is on the schedule next year.

The possibility of UVA is on the schedule.

Oops. My bad. Well then, actually that is a relatively normal exception isn't it? Am I mistaken.

Whole thing is a bummer.

(07-14-2015 03:50 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:47 PM)pwman Wrote:  Most schools condition transfers of players before they graduate.

Most players accept this.

Few don't and complain.

Okay - what were Nick King's conditions?

Pookie Powell?

Kuran Iverson?

What is the average number of conditions for most transferring players?

Let's compare and contrast and be fair in judgement then.

I don't know the exact number - maybe 40 (if that is indeed the number) is excessive, maybe it is normal.

I don't think it's that unusual. No one on the schedule or in the league.

(07-14-2015 03:49 PM)RheaJ Wrote:  How many schools restrict the transfer list to over 40 schools?

Quit comparing apples and donkey nuts.

Gotta think about it though. It's the AAC (All schools block inter conference transfers) future opponents (all schools block school on the schedule as it would give that team an advantage for the game), Virgina, Providence, and Iowa are possible future opponents.

The ONLY school that doesn't fit the mold is Tennessee.

(07-14-2015 03:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:49 PM)PickwickTiger Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:42 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  It doesn't hurt Memphis. It hurts the Nichols family and Pastner.

Neither of which should be associated with the program next season.

True enough.

Though Memphis is taking a hit with this right now as well.

You just contradicted your self, saying Memphis was taking a hit - his original post stated that it doesn't "hurt" Memphis.

Memphis is going to take the hits, future recruits watching this will without a doubt think about this university as negative. The sound bite will be AN wanted to transfer and Memphis has 40 schools listed.

I was saying true enough to the fact that Nichols/Pastner take the biggest hits - Memphis still gets dinged on this.

No one will remember Pastner, they will remember Memphis, no one will remember AN, they will remember Memphis.

Every current player in the NCAA and every future player are celebrating what AN is doing. This lawsuit could absolutely change what other schools do.

BTW, the NCAA today was told to pay $ 46M to the attorneys of Ed Obanon. The days of the NCAA and Universities making silly demands are more than over.

(07-14-2015 03:52 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:50 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:47 PM)pwman Wrote:  Most schools condition transfers of players before they graduate.

Most players accept this.

Few don't and complain.

Okay - what were Nick King's conditions?

Pookie Powell?

Kuran Iverson?

What is the average number of conditions for most transferring players?

Let's compare and contrast and be fair in judgement then.

I don't know the exact number - maybe 40 (if that is indeed the number) is excessive, maybe it is normal.

I don't think it's that unusual. No one on the schedule or in the league.

Seems like it hasn't always been the case.

King and Powell will have to sit out the 2015-16 season, and they cannot transfer to another AAC school.

That was it for King and Powell per a Flyer article.

(07-14-2015 03:54 PM)PickwickTiger Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:49 PM)PickwickTiger Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:42 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  It doesn't hurt Memphis. It hurts the Nichols family and Pastner.

Neither of which should be associated with the program next season.

True enough.

Though Memphis is taking a hit with this right now as well.

You just contradicted your self, saying Memphis was taking a hit - his original post stated that it doesn't "hurt" Memphis.

Memphis is going to take the hits, future recruits watching this will without a doubt think about this university as negative. The sound bite will be AN wanted to transfer and Memphis has 40 schools listed.

I was saying true enough to the fact that Nichols/Pastner take the biggest hits - Memphis still gets dinged on this.

No one will remember Pastner, they will remember Memphis, no one will remember AN, they will remember Memphis.

Every current player in the NCAA and every future player are celebrating what AN is doing. This lawsuit could absolutely change what other schools do.

BTW, the NCAA today was told to pay $ 46M to the attorneys of Ed Obanon. The days of the NCAA and Universities making silly demands are more than over.

so what is the legal standing for the Nichols? What is being violated?

There is so much I would like to say about this situation, especially regarding the Dad. But I won't. But damn I'd love to.

(07-14-2015 03:56 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:54 PM)PickwickTiger Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:49 PM)PickwickTiger Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  True enough.

Though Memphis is taking a hit with this right now as well.

You just contradicted your self, saying Memphis was taking a hit - his original post stated that it doesn't "hurt" Memphis.

Memphis is going to take the hits, future recruits watching this will without a doubt think about this university as negative. The sound bite will be AN wanted to transfer and Memphis has 40 schools listed.

I was saying true enough to the fact that Nichols/Pastner take the biggest hits - Memphis still gets dinged on this.

No one will remember Pastner, they will remember Memphis, no one will remember AN, they will remember Memphis.

Every current player in the NCAA and every future player are celebrating what AN is doing. This lawsuit could absolutely change what other schools do.

BTW, the NCAA today was told to pay $ 46M to the attorneys of Ed Obanon. The days of the NCAA and Universities making silly demands are more than over.

so what is the legal standing for the Nichols? What is being violated?

The Nichols have no legal standing--they have snowballs chance in hell!

(07-14-2015 03:57 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  There is so much I would like to say about this situation, especially regarding the Dad. But I won't. But damn I'd love to.

oh why not? maybe they can make another movie about a Briarcrest kid

(07-14-2015 03:56 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:54 PM)PickwickTiger Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:49 PM)PickwickTiger Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  True enough.

Though Memphis is taking a hit with this right now as well.

You just contradicted your self, saying Memphis was taking a hit - his original post stated that it doesn't "hurt" Memphis.

Memphis is going to take the hits, future recruits watching this will without a doubt think about this university as negative. The sound bite will be AN wanted to transfer and Memphis has 40 schools listed.

I was saying true enough to the fact that Nichols/Pastner take the biggest hits - Memphis still gets dinged on this.

No one will remember Pastner, they will remember Memphis, no one will remember AN, they will remember Memphis.

Every current player in the NCAA and every future player are celebrating what AN is doing. This lawsuit could absolutely change what other schools do.

BTW, the NCAA today was told to pay $ 46M to the attorneys of Ed Obanon. The days of the NCAA and Universities making silly demands are more than over.

so what is the legal standing for the Nichols? What is being violated?

First, there never has to be a legal standing for someone to make noise and threaten to take something court, Federal court especially - that would scare the hell out of everyone at Memphis and the NCAA.

Next if you want the legal opinion of what the attorney threw out for better or worse since I am not an attorney, this is what he said, which is why I mentioned the payout of $ 46M to the ed obanon's attorneys - the attorney is stating that the release is "based" on the NCAA regulations to transfer and it is a violation of the Sherman Act. The Sherman act is a anti-trust, anti-monopoly - wana scare anyone, anytime - throw out that act. It works.

“Memphis’ denial of his release is based upon a bad faith effort to deny his request to transfer,” Jackson wrote in the email. “The current NCAA regulations relative to member institution to member institution transfers violate the Sherman Act (as they illegally affect both the ‘input’ and ‘output’ markets).

“Further, the restrictions are nothing more than a calculated effort to punish Austin’s family for his desire to transfer to a new program. Although the staff has attempted to imply ‘tampering,’ the broad nature of the restrictions clearly establishes that ‘tampering’ is not an issue; this is a calculated effort by a dysfunctional staff to punish a player for taking a step to remove himself from a failing program

(07-14-2015 03:04 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:54 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:52 PM)BrianJ Wrote:  More from the Commercial Appeal at http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...id=dlvr.it

Including the money quote from Nichols' attorney:

Quote:this is a calculated effort by a dysfunctional staff to punish a player for taking a step to remove himself from a failing program.

And, gut punch.

Wow

When was the last time a player said something like this publically about an NCAA program that wasn't under sanctions?

I believed all along (and still do) that Austin should be released unconditionally.
I also have no sympathy for anyone who is a party for a low blow like that. Disgusting comment.

(07-14-2015 04:02 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:04 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:54 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  [quote='BrianJ' pid='12197419' dateline='1436903559']
More from the Commercial Appeal at http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...id=dlvr.it

Including the money quote from Nichols' attorney:

Quote:this is a calculated effort by a dysfunctional staff to punish a player for taking a step to remove himself from a failing program.

And, gut punch.

Wow

When was the last time a player said something like this publically about an NCAA program that wasn't under sanctions?

I believed all along (and still do) that Austin should be released unconditionally.
I also have no sympathy for anyone who is a party for a low blow like that. Disgusting comment.
[ I see your location is Virginia. I guess you have a dog in this fight.

(07-14-2015 04:15 PM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 04:02 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:04 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:54 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  [quote='BrianJ' pid='12197419' dateline='1436903559']
More from the Commercial Appeal at http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...id=dlvr.it

Including the money quote from Nichols' attorney:

Quote:this is a calculated effort by a dysfunctional staff to punish a player for taking a step to remove himself from a failing program.

And, gut punch.

Wow

When was the last time a player said something like this publically about an NCAA program that wasn't under sanctions?

I believed all along (and still do) that Austin should be released unconditionally.
I also have no sympathy for anyone who is a party for a low blow like that. Disgusting comment.
[ I see your location is Virginia. I guess you have a dog in this fight.

UVA was my first choice of college until I visited Washington Univ in St. Louis... Great school and great campus.

Not sure if Nichols could maximize his game there. I don't see him getting a ton of shots in such a physical game plan...

(07-14-2015 03:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  If there is a lawyer on here, what is the argument? Too many teams on the list? Of course, he wouldn't even consider 80% of the teams on the 15-16 schedule.

I'm an attorney and they are likely going to argue that the restrictions should be viewed as a non-compete clause. While courts do recognize non competes, they want then to be narrowly tailored so as to not be overly broad, i.e. can't restrict too many schools.

Sorry for the delay my power just came back on ha