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95% of top 300 players play aau with either nike or adidas. If UA has a big tournament same weekend as the other shoe companies, Im pretty sure Mick is required to be at UA event. Bottom line UA isn't paying us enough to take this type hit in recruiting.

(04-12-2018 08:41 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 08:02 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Like the father or AAU coach of a 5* stud? :) I, personally, think there should be NCAA rules against hiring these types of people and then accepting a commitment from the player. I'm fine with hiring the coach/parent if they are going to be a good addition to the staff but most often these are shady hires.

Yep. A "legal" way to funnel money to a player and their family. But you can't really stop it. It's not fair to say a kid can't play for a parent or certain person stopping them from going to a certain school while also taking away the ability of a parent to better their situation by taking a better job. Lots of coaches sons play for their Dad.

While I think if teams really want to do it, maybe you have a rule that says a kid can't sign at a school that hired a parent or person of interest the same year, which means you'd need to hire that person a year early. But that seems wrong too. That would mean that maybe a legitimate coach who was with his kid in high school and legitimately is ready for the next level and wants to stay with his kid couldn't.

This doesn't happen often and it looks shady, but I just don't see a fair way to stop this.

yancy/McBride/jackson.

(04-12-2018 10:15 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:07 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:48 AM)jarr Wrote:  Other than Jarron, I can't even think of the last consensus top 100 player that has even taken a visit or shown serious interest? This is what troubles me more, I realize that coming in 2nd or 3rd shouldn't mean anything, but I think it is telling how little involvement we seem to have with higher level talent.

Well, Gary, Jermaine Lawrence, and Elijah Stewart...but those were a few years ago now. I don't think we've really gotten into the living room of many guys of that ilk in the last half decade.

I think Gary was top 100 in one of the recruiting services, but not across the board. Either way. Its been few and far between. When Mick was hired, I never thought recruiting was going to be as big of an issue as it has been.

UC hasn't gotten a recruit with a single P5 official visit since Cumberland.

You literally never hear about the great relationships the staff forms with guys. You hear that about Travis Steele, Stubblefield, etc all the time. Mick really need to turnover the staff and find a couple of young guys with charisma and drive to be head coaches. It's embarrassing how poorly this staff recruits.

pretty sure Williams had p5 offers

(04-12-2018 10:39 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  You can find under recruited guys and I think the staff is strong there, but the fact remains that the only players on the team last year that officially visited P5 programs as high school recruits were Evans, Cumberland, Clark and Washington...

You a lie. Justin was kid prodigy. He had better offers than Cumberland

(04-12-2018 02:14 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:39 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  You can find under recruited guys and I think the staff is strong there, but the fact remains that the only players on the team last year that officially visited P5 programs as high school recruits were Evans, Cumberland, Clark and Washington...

You a lie. Justin was kid prodigy. He had better offers than Cumberland

According to Rivals.com he only had one offer, UC.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...ifer-16927

(04-12-2018 02:12 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:15 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:07 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:48 AM)jarr Wrote:  Other than Jarron, I can't even think of the last consensus top 100 player that has even taken a visit or shown serious interest? This is what troubles me more, I realize that coming in 2nd or 3rd shouldn't mean anything, but I think it is telling how little involvement we seem to have with higher level talent.

Well, Gary, Jermaine Lawrence, and Elijah Stewart...but those were a few years ago now. I don't think we've really gotten into the living room of many guys of that ilk in the last half decade.

I think Gary was top 100 in one of the recruiting services, but not across the board. Either way. Its been few and far between. When Mick was hired, I never thought recruiting was going to be as big of an issue as it has been.

UC hasn't gotten a recruit with a single P5 official visit since Cumberland.

You literally never hear about the great relationships the staff forms with guys. You hear that about Travis Steele, Stubblefield, etc all the time. Mick really need to turnover the staff and find a couple of young guys with charisma and drive to be head coaches. It's embarrassing how poorly this staff recruits.

pretty sure Williams had p5 offers

I don't think he visited any of those schools officially though.

Under Armour isn't hurting Notre Dame, Wichita State, Texas Tech, Seton Hall, St. John's, Maryland, Wisconsin, UCLA, Cal, Auburn and South Carolina on the recruiting trial.

(04-12-2018 02:14 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:39 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  You can find under recruited guys and I think the staff is strong there, but the fact remains that the only players on the team last year that officially visited P5 programs as high school recruits were Evans, Cumberland, Clark and Washington...

You a lie. Justin was kid prodigy. He had better offers than Cumberland

Hahaha... seriously what is your connection to JJ? He air balled a layup vs Nevada, he's simply not a high major talent, not even close.

(04-12-2018 02:44 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 02:14 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:39 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  You can find under recruited guys and I think the staff is strong there, but the fact remains that the only players on the team last year that officially visited P5 programs as high school recruits were Evans, Cumberland, Clark and Washington...

You a lie. Justin was kid prodigy. He had better offers than Cumberland

Hahaha... seriously what is your connection to JJ? He air balled a layup vs Nevada, he's simply not a high major talent, not even close.

You ever notice that he doesn't post while JJ is on the court...

(04-12-2018 02:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Under Armour isn't hurting Notre Dame, Wichita State, Texas Tech, Seton Hall, St. John's, Maryland, Wisconsin, UCLA, Cal, Auburn and South Carolina on the recruiting trial.

A lot of those schools have stink all over them from the ongoing FBI investigation.

And I wouldn't cite Seton Hall, St. John's, Cal, etc. as successes.

(04-12-2018 01:05 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...508168002/

So Teague was yesterday's hot transfer name. If Cincinnati.com is to be believed, it appears Louisville and X lead for his services. Why does this year's transfer train continue to roll past UC?

UC was among the many schools (including XU, OSU, Louisville, Virginia, UCLA, Purdue etc.) that reportedly reached out Teague per his HS coach to WCPO. It's not clear if it's going any further with UC but Steele is reportedly meeting with him on Friday about going to XU.

By the way, I wasn't completely sold on Steele as the best hire for X, but he's off to a heckuva quick start from what I can tell. IIRC he pulled two very highly regarded P5 assistants from their alma maters and already has 3 transfers committed that sound like they are at least capable of bringing legit help right away. Time will tell I guess.

Meanwhile, it seems like the best news we have is that there is still a tiny chance that Evans will return for his senior year....

(04-13-2018 12:56 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 01:05 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...508168002/

So Teague was yesterday's hot transfer name. If Cincinnati.com is to be believed, it appears Louisville and X lead for his services. Why does this year's transfer train continue to roll past UC?

UC was among the many schools (including XU, OSU, Louisville, Virginia, UCLA, Purdue etc.) that reportedly reached out Teague per his HS coach to WCPO. It's not clear if it's going any further with UC but Steele is reportedly meeting with him on Friday about going to XU.

By the way, I wasn't completely sold on Steele as the best hire for X, but he's off to a heckuva quick start from what I can tell. IIRC he pulled two very highly regarded P5 assistants from their alma maters and already has 3 transfers committed that sound like they are at least capable of bringing legit help right away. Time will tell I guess.

Meanwhile, it seems like the best news we have is that there is still a tiny chance that Evans will return for his senior year....

You're right. I wonder if some of these transfer recruits are being told that Evans won't hire an agent and will likely be back. If that's the case, they won't start or see a lot of playing time behind him.

I don't know that the kids or their handlers are that well informed about UC, but we could certainly count on competing coaches to tell this this story to sway them to brand x (or y or z).

(04-13-2018 07:06 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 12:56 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 01:05 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...508168002/

So Teague was yesterday's hot transfer name. If Cincinnati.com is to be believed, it appears Louisville and X lead for his services. Why does this year's transfer train continue to roll past UC?

UC was among the many schools (including XU, OSU, Louisville, Virginia, UCLA, Purdue etc.) that reportedly reached out Teague per his HS coach to WCPO. It's not clear if it's going any further with UC but Steele is reportedly meeting with him on Friday about going to XU.

By the way, I wasn't completely sold on Steele as the best hire for X, but he's off to a heckuva quick start from what I can tell. IIRC he pulled two very highly regarded P5 assistants from their alma maters and already has 3 transfers committed that sound like they are at least capable of bringing legit help right away. Time will tell I guess.

Meanwhile, it seems like the best news we have is that there is still a tiny chance that Evans will return for his senior year....

You're right. I wonder if some of these transfer recruits are being told that Evans won't hire an agent and will likely be back. If that's the case, they won't start or see a lot of playing time behind him.

I don't know that the kids or their handlers are that well informed about UC, but we could certainly count on competing coaches to tell this this story to sway them to brand x (or y or z).

Even with Evans on board. I think there is room for a talented impact player to come in and play big minutes. Evans is versatile playing 1-4 and Cumberland can play 1-3. Even with Evans, we still need a 3rd scoring threat.

(04-13-2018 08:35 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 07:06 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 12:56 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 01:05 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...508168002/

So Teague was yesterday's hot transfer name. If Cincinnati.com is to be believed, it appears Louisville and X lead for his services. Why does this year's transfer train continue to roll past UC?

UC was among the many schools (including XU, OSU, Louisville, Virginia, UCLA, Purdue etc.) that reportedly reached out Teague per his HS coach to WCPO. It's not clear if it's going any further with UC but Steele is reportedly meeting with him on Friday about going to XU.

By the way, I wasn't completely sold on Steele as the best hire for X, but he's off to a heckuva quick start from what I can tell. IIRC he pulled two very highly regarded P5 assistants from their alma maters and already has 3 transfers committed that sound like they are at least capable of bringing legit help right away. Time will tell I guess.

Meanwhile, it seems like the best news we have is that there is still a tiny chance that Evans will return for his senior year....

You're right. I wonder if some of these transfer recruits are being told that Evans won't hire an agent and will likely be back. If that's the case, they won't start or see a lot of playing time behind him.

I don't know that the kids or their handlers are that well informed about UC, but we could certainly count on competing coaches to tell this this story to sway them to brand x (or y or z).

Even with Evans on board. I think there is room for a talented impact player to come in and play big minutes. Evans is versatile playing 1-4 and Cumberland can play 1-3. Even with Evans, we still need a 3rd scoring threat.

I don't think you'll be able to find someone at this point that will be a better scoring option than Cane.

(04-13-2018 08:45 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 08:35 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 07:06 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 12:56 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 01:05 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...508168002/

So Teague was yesterday's hot transfer name. If Cincinnati.com is to be believed, it appears Louisville and X lead for his services. Why does this year's transfer train continue to roll past UC?

UC was among the many schools (including XU, OSU, Louisville, Virginia, UCLA, Purdue etc.) that reportedly reached out Teague per his HS coach to WCPO. It's not clear if it's going any further with UC but Steele is reportedly meeting with him on Friday about going to XU.

By the way, I wasn't completely sold on Steele as the best hire for X, but he's off to a heckuva quick start from what I can tell. IIRC he pulled two very highly regarded P5 assistants from their alma maters and already has 3 transfers committed that sound like they are at least capable of bringing legit help right away. Time will tell I guess.

Meanwhile, it seems like the best news we have is that there is still a tiny chance that Evans will return for his senior year....

You're right. I wonder if some of these transfer recruits are being told that Evans won't hire an agent and will likely be back. If that's the case, they won't start or see a lot of playing time behind him.

I don't know that the kids or their handlers are that well informed about UC, but we could certainly count on competing coaches to tell this this story to sway them to brand x (or y or z).

Even with Evans on board. I think there is room for a talented impact player to come in and play big minutes. Evans is versatile playing 1-4 and Cumberland can play 1-3. Even with Evans, we still need a 3rd scoring threat.

I don't think you'll be able to find someone at this point that will be a better scoring option than Cane.

Yea, I think my dream scenario would be for us to go smaller with Evans as a small ball 4. I would have Scott starting at 5, and rotating the other 3 bigs in and out at the 4 and 5 positions, Diarra may even be able to play some 3. Then us adding another instant impact 2 or 3 that can shoot +37% 3pt and +75%FT for 10-12 pts per game.

This would keep Evans, Broome, Cumberland in the game along with the TBD newcomer.

(04-13-2018 08:54 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 08:45 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 08:35 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 07:06 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 12:56 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  UC was among the many schools (including XU, OSU, Louisville, Virginia, UCLA, Purdue etc.) that reportedly reached out Teague per his HS coach to WCPO. It's not clear if it's going any further with UC but Steele is reportedly meeting with him on Friday about going to XU.

By the way, I wasn't completely sold on Steele as the best hire for X, but he's off to a heckuva quick start from what I can tell. IIRC he pulled two very highly regarded P5 assistants from their alma maters and already has 3 transfers committed that sound like they are at least capable of bringing legit help right away. Time will tell I guess.

Meanwhile, it seems like the best news we have is that there is still a tiny chance that Evans will return for his senior year....

You're right. I wonder if some of these transfer recruits are being told that Evans won't hire an agent and will likely be back. If that's the case, they won't start or see a lot of playing time behind him.

I don't know that the kids or their handlers are that well informed about UC, but we could certainly count on competing coaches to tell this this story to sway them to brand x (or y or z).

Even with Evans on board. I think there is room for a talented impact player to come in and play big minutes. Evans is versatile playing 1-4 and Cumberland can play 1-3. Even with Evans, we still need a 3rd scoring threat.

I don't think you'll be able to find someone at this point that will be a better scoring option than Cane.

Yea, I think my dream scenario would be for us to go smaller with Evans as a small ball 4. I would have Scott starting at 5, and rotating the other 3 bigs in and out at the 4 and 5 positions, Diarra may even be able to play some 3. Then us adding another instant impact 2 or 3 that can shoot +37% 3pt and +75%FT for 10-12 pts per game.

This would keep Evans, Broome, Cumberland in the game along with the TBD newcomer.

Your scenario could produce a very competitive team next season. I agree with those who suggest another scorer, especially a transfer, could still be a big help even with Evans back.

(04-13-2018 09:32 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 08:54 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 08:45 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 08:35 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 07:06 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  [/b]

You're right. I wonder if some of these transfer recruits are being told that Evans won't hire an agent and will likely be back. If that's the case, they won't start or see a lot of playing time behind him.

I don't know that the kids or their handlers are that well informed about UC, but we could certainly count on competing coaches to tell this this story to sway them to brand x (or y or z).

Even with Evans on board. I think there is room for a talented impact player to come in and play big minutes. Evans is versatile playing 1-4 and Cumberland can play 1-3. Even with Evans, we still need a 3rd scoring threat.

I don't think you'll be able to find someone at this point that will be a better scoring option than Cane.

Yea, I think my dream scenario would be for us to go smaller with Evans as a small ball 4. I would have Scott starting at 5, and rotating the other 3 bigs in and out at the 4 and 5 positions, Diarra may even be able to play some 3. Then us adding another instant impact 2 or 3 that can shoot +37% 3pt and +75%FT for 10-12 pts per game.

This would keep Evans, Broome, Cumberland in the game along with the TBD newcomer.

Your scenario could produce a very competitive team next season. I agree with those who suggest another scorer, especially a transfer, could still be a big help even with Evans back.

I just feel the days of the traditional 1 through 5 roles are all but over. Play your best players.

That's true on the offensive end. The problem at the d1 level with that scheme is on the defensive end. You have to get guys who will stay out of foul trouble in the situation created by the mismatches on the other hand.

On the front page of UC's Rival site there's an article saying UC basketball is hosting a "big target" this weekend. Any ideas?

(04-14-2018 01:14 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  On the front page of UC's Rival site there's an article saying UC basketball is hosting a "big target" this weekend. Any ideas?

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