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(04-10-2018 09:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:15 AM)jarr Wrote:  KY just recieved another 5* commitment, now 5. Expected to refieve at leastnm one or two more 5* commitments for next year. To go along with having about 5 - 5* returning. Duke also is stockpiling talent as well, just not at that rate. UK might have 10 or 11 5 * players next year.

What the hell has changed the last 10 or so years, where all the top recruits are concentrating to about 2 or 3 schools? UK is going to have a 3rd string 5* PG. Wouldn't they want to go somewhere they could be the main feature instead of riding the pine?

What kind of message is being sent to these kids that isn't being sent elsewhere? I'm not even talking about the disparity with P5/G5, but amongst the P5.

Lebron took his "talents to South Beach" (along with D-Wade and Bosch).

I think recruits talk to each other a lot more than they use to via social media, private chat rooms, texts, etc. They try to create their own super team by pairing up with other top ranked recruits.

I heard U of L has some of those private rooms for recruits.

(04-10-2018 10:20 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:15 AM)jarr Wrote:  KY just recieved another 5* commitment, now 5. Expected to refieve at leastnm one or two more 5* commitments for next year. To go along with having about 5 - 5* returning. Duke also is stockpiling talent as well, just not at that rate. UK might have 10 or 11 5 * players next year.

What the hell has changed the last 10 or so years, where all the top recruits are concentrating to about 2 or 3 schools? UK is going to have a 3rd string 5* PG. Wouldn't they want to go somewhere they could be the main feature instead of riding the pine?

What kind of message is being sent to these kids that isn't being sent elsewhere? I'm not even talking about the disparity with P5/G5, but amongst the P5.

For any who still believe Coach K is the white knight and the Duke program is above reproach I would suggest that they aren't much different from KY at this point. Harvesting that many 5* players year after year certainly strains credibility that it is all being done ethically...or even legally based upon the FBI snooping.

With that said, the concern about UC recruiting voiced here is another issue entirely. Graduate transfers are needed and often work out fine. But when we see offer lists for UC recruits that include schools such as UAB or Buffalo one has to wonder. UC has three pairs of big shoes to fill starting in November. If these transfers don't choose UC with open starting positions, a far superior conference/TV coverage, spectacular new arena, rich tradition and recent top ten rankings, what is happening out on the recruiting trail?

Yep, our recruiting has never been very good, but lately it has taken a nose dive even worse

March run would have helped...sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Another Cronin recruiting coup.

(04-10-2018 03:35 PM)chatcat Wrote:  Another Cronin recruiting coup.

do what now? what are you responding to?

(04-11-2018 11:12 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 03:35 PM)chatcat Wrote:  Another Cronin recruiting coup.

do what now? what are you responding to?

Gaffney.

Albany grad transfer Joe Cremo has cut his list to Creighton, Oregon, Gonzaga, Texas, and Penn State, per a source. Visits Creighton this weekend.

(04-11-2018 05:43 PM)BearcatnKY Wrote:  Albany grad transfer Joe Cremo has cut his list to Creighton, Oregon, Gonzaga, Texas, and Penn State, per a source. Visits Creighton this weekend.

Ouch! On another note, Macio Teague is now transfering, local kid

(04-10-2018 10:20 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:15 AM)jarr Wrote:  KY just recieved another 5* commitment, now 5. Expected to refieve at leastnm one or two more 5* commitments for next year. To go along with having about 5 - 5* returning. Duke also is stockpiling talent as well, just not at that rate. UK might have 10 or 11 5 * players next year.

What the hell has changed the last 10 or so years, where all the top recruits are concentrating to about 2 or 3 schools? UK is going to have a 3rd string 5* PG. Wouldn't they want to go somewhere they could be the main feature instead of riding the pine?

What kind of message is being sent to these kids that isn't being sent elsewhere? I'm not even talking about the disparity with P5/G5, but amongst the P5.

For any who still believe Coach K is the white knight and the Duke program is above reproach I would suggest that they aren't much different from KY at this point. Harvesting that many 5* players year after year certainly strains credibility that it is all being done ethically...or even legally based upon the FBI snooping.

With that said, the concern about UC recruiting voiced here is another issue entirely. Graduate transfers are needed and often work out fine. But when we see offer lists for UC recruits that include schools such as UAB or Buffalo one has to wonder. UC has three pairs of big shoes to fill starting in November. If these transfers don't choose UC with open starting positions, a far superior conference/TV coverage, spectacular new arena, rich tradition and recent top ten rankings, what is happening out on the recruiting trail?

I am becoming more and more concerned about the recruiting. I know it probably won't happen but the time may have come to look for some new faces in the assistant coaches.

(04-11-2018 08:41 PM)loyalcat77 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:20 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:15 AM)jarr Wrote:  KY just recieved another 5* commitment, now 5. Expected to refieve at leastnm one or two more 5* commitments for next year. To go along with having about 5 - 5* returning. Duke also is stockpiling talent as well, just not at that rate. UK might have 10 or 11 5 * players next year.

What the hell has changed the last 10 or so years, where all the top recruits are concentrating to about 2 or 3 schools? UK is going to have a 3rd string 5* PG. Wouldn't they want to go somewhere they could be the main feature instead of riding the pine?

What kind of message is being sent to these kids that isn't being sent elsewhere? I'm not even talking about the disparity with P5/G5, but amongst the P5.

For any who still believe Coach K is the white knight and the Duke program is above reproach I would suggest that they aren't much different from KY at this point. Harvesting that many 5* players year after year certainly strains credibility that it is all being done ethically...or even legally based upon the FBI snooping.

With that said, the concern about UC recruiting voiced here is another issue entirely. Graduate transfers are needed and often work out fine. But when we see offer lists for UC recruits that include schools such as UAB or Buffalo one has to wonder. UC has three pairs of big shoes to fill starting in November. If these transfers don't choose UC with open starting positions, a far superior conference/TV coverage, spectacular new arena, rich tradition and recent top ten rankings, what is happening out on the recruiting trail?

I am becoming more and more concerned about the recruiting. I know it probably won't happen but the time may have come to look for some new faces in the assistant coaches.

At the banquet Mick mentioned the staff has been together the 2nd longest in the nation. MSU is 1st I believe.

(04-11-2018 09:53 PM)BearcatnKY Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:41 PM)loyalcat77 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:20 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:15 AM)jarr Wrote:  KY just recieved another 5* commitment, now 5. Expected to refieve at leastnm one or two more 5* commitments for next year. To go along with having about 5 - 5* returning. Duke also is stockpiling talent as well, just not at that rate. UK might have 10 or 11 5 * players next year.

What the hell has changed the last 10 or so years, where all the top recruits are concentrating to about 2 or 3 schools? UK is going to have a 3rd string 5* PG. Wouldn't they want to go somewhere they could be the main feature instead of riding the pine?

What kind of message is being sent to these kids that isn't being sent elsewhere? I'm not even talking about the disparity with P5/G5, but amongst the P5.

For any who still believe Coach K is the white knight and the Duke program is above reproach I would suggest that they aren't much different from KY at this point. Harvesting that many 5* players year after year certainly strains credibility that it is all being done ethically...or even legally based upon the FBI snooping.

With that said, the concern about UC recruiting voiced here is another issue entirely. Graduate transfers are needed and often work out fine. But when we see offer lists for UC recruits that include schools such as UAB or Buffalo one has to wonder. UC has three pairs of big shoes to fill starting in November. If these transfers don't choose UC with open starting positions, a far superior conference/TV coverage, spectacular new arena, rich tradition and recent top ten rankings, what is happening out on the recruiting trail?

I am becoming more and more concerned about the recruiting. I know it probably won't happen but the time may have come to look for some new faces in the assistant coaches.

At the banquet Mick mentioned the staff has been together the 2nd longest in the nation. MSU is 1st I believe.

And MSU hasn't won a national title in 18 years. Maybe longevity isn't a good measure for assistant coaches. How about some young, hungry guys trying to earn their stripes to get head coaching jobs?

Those of us here who are worried as we watch more quality transfers sign elsewhere would seem to have a valid concern.

Like the father or AAU coach of a 5* stud? :) I, personally, think there should be NCAA rules against hiring these types of people and then accepting a commitment from the player. I'm fine with hiring the coach/parent if they are going to be a good addition to the staff but most often these are shady hires.

(04-11-2018 08:41 PM)loyalcat77 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:20 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:15 AM)jarr Wrote:  KY just recieved another 5* commitment, now 5. Expected to refieve at leastnm one or two more 5* commitments for next year. To go along with having about 5 - 5* returning. Duke also is stockpiling talent as well, just not at that rate. UK might have 10 or 11 5 * players next year.

What the hell has changed the last 10 or so years, where all the top recruits are concentrating to about 2 or 3 schools? UK is going to have a 3rd string 5* PG. Wouldn't they want to go somewhere they could be the main feature instead of riding the pine?

What kind of message is being sent to these kids that isn't being sent elsewhere? I'm not even talking about the disparity with P5/G5, but amongst the P5.

For any who still believe Coach K is the white knight and the Duke program is above reproach I would suggest that they aren't much different from KY at this point. Harvesting that many 5* players year after year certainly strains credibility that it is all being done ethically...or even legally based upon the FBI snooping.

With that said, the concern about UC recruiting voiced here is another issue entirely. Graduate transfers are needed and often work out fine. But when we see offer lists for UC recruits that include schools such as UAB or Buffalo one has to wonder. UC has three pairs of big shoes to fill starting in November. If these transfers don't choose UC with open starting positions, a far superior conference/TV coverage, spectacular new arena, rich tradition and recent top ten rankings, what is happening out on the recruiting trail?

I am becoming more and more concerned about the recruiting. I know it probably won't happen but the time may have come to look for some new faces in the assistant coaches.

Biggest issue IMO is we just don't have really any good recruiters on the staff with strong enough ties to those that matter. Recruiting seems to be dropping off more every single year. I would have thought the last two seasons would have been a boost to recruiting, at least to a small extent, but that clearly hasn't been the case and the Under Armour relationship hasn't done $hit to help UC either.

(04-12-2018 08:02 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Like the father or AAU coach of a 5* stud? :) I, personally, think there should be NCAA rules against hiring these types of people and then accepting a commitment from the player. I'm fine with hiring the coach/parent if they are going to be a good addition to the staff but most often these are shady hires.

Yep. A "legal" way to funnel money to a player and their family. But you can't really stop it. It's not fair to say a kid can't play for a parent or certain person stopping them from going to a certain school while also taking away the ability of a parent to better their situation by taking a better job. Lots of coaches sons play for their Dad.

While I think if teams really want to do it, maybe you have a rule that says a kid can't sign at a school that hired a parent or person of interest the same year, which means you'd need to hire that person a year early. But that seems wrong too. That would mean that maybe a legitimate coach who was with his kid in high school and legitimately is ready for the next level and wants to stay with his kid couldn't.

This doesn't happen often and it looks shady, but I just don't see a fair way to stop this.

(04-12-2018 08:02 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Like the father or AAU coach of a 5* stud? :) I, personally, think there should be NCAA rules against hiring these types of people and then accepting a commitment from the player. I'm fine with hiring the coach/parent if they are going to be a good addition to the staff but most often these are shady hires.

There are rules...a very specific 2 year hiring/recruiting closed door. If you hire someone directly related to a recruit within two years of that student's senior year, they are barred from signing/attending the institution that hired that person.

(04-12-2018 08:46 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 08:02 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Like the father or AAU coach of a 5* stud? :) I, personally, think there should be NCAA rules against hiring these types of people and then accepting a commitment from the player. I'm fine with hiring the coach/parent if they are going to be a good addition to the staff but most often these are shady hires.

There are rules...a very specific 2 year hiring/recruiting closed door. If you hire someone directly related to a recruit within two years of that student's senior year, they are barred from signing/attending the institution that hired that person.

Thanks for the info. This sounds like a good rule. Does "directly related" mean an AAU coach also? If not, this rule should apply to HS and AAU coaches as well.

(04-12-2018 08:41 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Biggest issue IMO is we just don't have really any good recruiters on the staff with strong enough ties to those that matter. Recruiting seems to be dropping off more every single year. I would have thought the last two seasons would have been a boost to recruiting, at least to a small extent, but that clearly hasn't been the case and the Under Armour relationship hasn't done $hit to help UC either.

spot on, marcus.

i've said it before, but after having an amazing season, ranked in the top 10 all year with a brand new arena opening...yet we're still battling USF and UAB for recruits?

(04-12-2018 09:26 AM)Tymanh99 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 08:41 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Biggest issue IMO is we just don't have really any good recruiters on the staff with strong enough ties to those that matter. Recruiting seems to be dropping off more every single year. I would have thought the last two seasons would have been a boost to recruiting, at least to a small extent, but that clearly hasn't been the case and the Under Armour relationship hasn't done $hit to help UC either.

spot on, marcus.

i've said it before, but after having an amazing season, ranked in the top 10 all year with a brand new arena opening...yet we're still battling USF and UAB for recruits?

Exactly. Doesn't add up at all unless you just have a poor recruiting staff.

(04-12-2018 09:38 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:26 AM)Tymanh99 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 08:41 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Biggest issue IMO is we just don't have really any good recruiters on the staff with strong enough ties to those that matter. Recruiting seems to be dropping off more every single year. I would have thought the last two seasons would have been a boost to recruiting, at least to a small extent, but that clearly hasn't been the case and the Under Armour relationship hasn't done $hit to help UC either.

spot on, marcus.

i've said it before, but after having an amazing season, ranked in the top 10 all year with a brand new arena opening...yet we're still battling USF and UAB for recruits?

Exactly. Doesn't add up at all unless you just have a poor recruiting staff.

With Clark, Washington and Evans all leaving we should have been primed to take the top tier transfers and even snag a whale of a recruit out of high school. The coaches could even sell Washington as a success story of a transfer to UC.

Recruiting is all about relationships. Often you hear recruits say they picked a school (over some better programs) because of how close they were with one of the assistants. When was the last time you've heard that from our of our BB players?

Other than Jarron, I can't even think of the last consensus top 100 player that has even taken a visit or shown serious interest? This is what troubles me more, I realize that coming in 2nd or 3rd shouldn't mean anything, but I think it is telling how little involvement we seem to have with higher level talent.