(05-12-2015 11:14 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 11:08 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 11:03 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  Lets create a 17 school conference:

EAST: UConn, Temple, UC, ECU, USF, UCF, Memphis, Tulane
WEST: Fresno, SDSU, UNLV, SMU, Hou, Tulsa, Navy, CSU/AF (Not Both)

For Football: Play everyone in your division once and two crossover games for a nine game schedule
For Basketball: Play everyone in your division twice with four crossover games. (add one basketball only to the west)

All other sports play only within division until conference tourney (keeps costs down).

I hate to break it to you but the only way you get CSU or AFA is by having both.

My plan is flexible. We could drop Fresno.

No way I'd drop Fresno. If anything I'd add another FB only like Hawaii for the West division. Have an 18 football / 16 all sports hybrid.

(05-11-2015 08:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 07:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 06:00 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Houston hasn't been exactly killing it on ratings. Our big matchups between ucf vs houston the last 2 years had pretty poor ratings in the Houston market if I remember correctly.

first off; fresno and colorado st are killing ratings?

and we havent exactly been the greatest team the last 2-years...but i bet if i did research Houston is probably rated one of the best rated g5 who were around or close to the 7-8 win range with respect to the network they were on..

and a good houston completely destroys in ratings ...houston was bar none the best tv rated c-usa team in football by a wide margin, the top 4 rated games over the last 5 years in c-usa included Houston in it..and almost all at least had 50%+ there to watch Houston and not the other team (with the ttech and usm game which were the top 2, probably 70%+ were for Houston)

Houston is in the 4th largest city in america and the 3rd largest growing city. Houston like miami has fan options, so when we lose there are tons of other teams to roots for but when we win the bandwagon will not have enough room. big city teams, their fans tend to be fair weather .....

Not attacking Houston, but I remember our big game in 2013 with title implications on the line the ratings in the Houston market were only like .5 or something like that. I would need to see and ratings comparison if that game was a fluke. It also seemed weird that you didn't sellout every game in a brand new stadium. Ucf is getting around 40k a game in a pretty average facility.

One good example from 2014 is both houston and ucf played BYU on Thursday night. Ucf had the .9 1.34 million viewers vs Houston .6 1.05 million viewers. Houston also had one of the lower ratings of the season with .0 rating with 68k viewers vs USF. The lead in game was ECU vs Temple on the same channel that had 257k viewers at a worse time slot.

just noticed this ...but the game had title implication for UCF not houston....it was Louisville and UCF fighting for the title ...not sure why that has any reason to boost houston tv ratings?

games that have affect houstons chances at a championships on ajor networks have done amazing, we just have really been at that level since keenum

and like i said the last 2 years and that usf game was meaningless and on espnnews, if your are trying to push a point without misleading why not include the network...espnnews around that times was doing 50-120k for almost all the games and usf was a bottom feeder and houston wasnt very good last year...and just looking at the rating that day, im guessing something was going on as we actually beat a espnu game that aired.

and you keep completely ignoring the quality of the team....ucf just won a bcs and was in the running for a conference championship....they were obviously going to have better ratings that a team whos fans had quit on its coach....

let me explain a different way...texas had low rating for its standard this year and way less than south carolina ...that doesnt mean south carolina has more tv value....you obviously have to look to see that texas isnt plying to it standard, but that when texas is winning, that are probably one of the largest tv sells, if not the largest tv sell in america ... you dont take SC because texas had a few down years

during Houston in the briles and sumlin years we where by far the best tv draw in c-usa by a wide margin.better than any other team in the league when they were good...we then hired our special teams coach for whatever reason had a few subpar years and are now trying to right the ship...people dont get it that houston has fans, but being in a city as big as Houston with tons of other pro teams they become bandwagons and whenever we lose find other things to do

(05-12-2015 11:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  just noticed this ...but the game had title implication for UCF not houston....it was Louisville and UCF fighting for the title ...not sure why that has any reason to boost houston tv ratings?

games that have affect houstons chances at a championships on ajor networks have done amazing, we just have really been at that level since keenum

You do realize, that coming into this game Houston had one loss, and that was by one point to BYU? Houston was playing this game with Title implications, on an equal level with UCF. There's absolutely no excuse why Houston drew as little as it did compared to UCF.

and you keep completely ignoring the quality of the team....ucf just won a bcs and was in the running for a conference championship....they were obviously going to have better ratings that a team whos fans had quit on its coach....

We hadn't won a BCS bowl yet, at that point. We were coming off of a disappointing showing in the C-USA title game, and a meh bowl victory over an opponent most people don't know exists.

during Houston in the briles and sumlin years we where by far the best tv draw in c-usa by a wide margin.better than any other team in the league when they were good...

You still have yet to provide evidence supporting this. I'll admit that Houston may very well have been the #1 draw in C-USA, as I don't really know. But by a wide margin? Using terms like "by far"? I call BS. UCF holds the first, second, and third place for highest attendance rankings in C-USA history, with 20,000 more in attendance than Houston's highest CCG. You would think with that kind of support, we'd draw a few eyeballs ourselves, no?

people dont get it that houston UCF has fans, but being in a city as big as Houston Orlando with tons of other pro teams they become bandwagons and whenever we lose find other things to do.

UCF has been pretty consistent over the years, in terms of attendance, because our success has been consistent pretty much, but the notion still stands, and the basketball team is a testament to how UCF can "get it"

Better:

18-school conference - Keep the East and West divisions as is, just rename the West as "Central."

Then, add a 6-team West division:

EAST (Red): UConn, Temple, UC, ECU, USF, UCF
CENTRAL (White): Memphis, Tulane, SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Navy
WEST (Blue): BYU, Boise St., SDSU, AFA, CSU, UNLV/Fresno

So, you're basically just adding the West division to the current structure. Easy.

For Football: Play everyone in your division once and three crossover games for an 8-game schedule. The 8-game schedule makes it more likely to have more bowl eligible teams, and allows more flexibility to schedule P5 opponents.

For Olympic sports: Keep the three divisions (leaving Navy in the Patriot).

Play everyone in your division twice (H-H) and then 8-10 crossover games with 2-3 crossover road trips. Schedule can still work even though the Central has 5 teams and other divisions have 6.

This gets the best available expansion candidates for football - Boise, BYU, and AFA, and basketball - SDSU, BYU, UNLV?. It also creates the regional divisions to help develop regional intrigue intermixt with the national appeal and to contain travel costs.

I really think BYU will warm to this within the next couple of years. You can get Boise if BYU comes. You get anyone else you want if both BYU and Boise are in.

(05-12-2015 10:53 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 10:41 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 10:05 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:01 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 08:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Have not been able to build any momentum under a clueless Levine. Everytime we seemed ready to get on roll, we'd lose a game we should have won. Sell out game one in 2012---Levine gets undressed against a bad Texas St squad. Began to get a few people believing again with a decent 2013 season. Started 2014 with a 40K+ SRO crowd and get blown out by a mediocre UTSA team. Attendance fell off but began to ramp back up as the team recovered. Then, with the biggest crowd since game one, Levine spits the bit at homecoming falling to a struggling Tulane team. Levine was poison to our attendance.

That said, while you sit in judgment, why isn't a school with 65K students and a first place football team coming off a BCS season (with no pro sports completion) selling out their practically brand new stadium?

We should be so i'm not going to argue that. I go to every game. We do have some sports in Orlando with the Magic and Orlando City Soccer. Our big competition is all the entertainment options not just sports.

The reason that we aren't is because of alcohol. Serve it and the place will be packed every weekend. Floridians love watching football on the weekends while drinking. The 2 almost go hand in hand. Because there are better games to watch on tv than in person in Orlando, it is even more important that fans are allowed to drink inside the stadium. The Gators and Seminoles don't have to allow alcohol because they are bringing in opponents that people want to watch, UCF isn't. The soccer team is almost beating UCF in attendance mainly due to the $11 24oz beers that they sell.

Interesting. Just curious--which soccer team is almost beating UCF's football attendance? UCF's? Or some other area school or pro team? I ask because if its UCF soccer----Im curios as to why UCF Soccer would sell alcohol, but football would not (but you may be referring to some other soccer team---I cant tell).

Orlando just got a new MLS team... Orlando City Soccer. Their first game had something ridiculous like 65K people at it but as usual its slowly going down as the year goes on. It wont matter though, because they are building a new stadium for them and I believe it only has about 20K seats.

and alcohol isnt the end all be all of attendance. USF fans are well known to be solid drinkers and we have beer at all of our games... and yet attendance is in the toilet. When we win, we averaged about 45K and sold out many games at 65K... when we dont, we get 25K.

This is why I am hoping we are able to work out a deal with the city to build a stadium across the street. Technically it will be considered "off campus" and should never run into issues selling beer, even though it is in all reality less then 50 yards from campus.

Agreed. Winning and alcohol is the formula for success.

(05-12-2015 11:11 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 10:05 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:01 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 08:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 08:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Not attacking Houston, but I remember our big game in 2013 with title implications on the line the ratings in the Houston market were only like .5 or something like that. I would need to see and ratings comparison if that game was a fluke. It also seemed weird that you didn't sellout every game in a brand new stadium. Ucf is getting around 40k a game in a pretty average facility.

One good example from 2014 is both houston and ucf played BYU on Thursday night. Ucf had the .9 1.34 million viewers vs Houston .6 1.05 million viewers. Houston also had one of the lower ratings of the season with .0 rating with 68k viewers vs USF. The lead in game was ECU vs Temple on the same channel that had 257k viewers at a worse time slot.

Have not been able to build any momentum under a clueless Levine. Everytime we seemed ready to get on roll, we'd lose a game we should have won. Sell out game one in 2012---Levine gets undressed against a bad Texas St squad. Began to get a few people believing again with a decent 2013 season. Started 2014 with a 40K+ SRO crowd and get blown out by a mediocre UTSA team. Attendance fell off but began to ramp back up as the team recovered. Then, with the biggest crowd since game one, Levine spits the bit at homecoming falling to a struggling Tulane team. Levine was poison to our attendance.

That said, while you sit in judgment, why isn't a school with 65K students and a first place football team coming off a BCS season (with no pro sports completion) selling out their practically brand new stadium?

We should be so i'm not going to argue that. I go to every game. We do have some sports in Orlando with the Magic and Orlando City Soccer. Our big competition is all the entertainment options not just sports.

The reason that we aren't is because of alcohol. Serve it and the place will be packed every weekend. Floridians love watching football on the weekends while drinking. The 2 almost go hand in hand. Because there are better games to watch on tv than in person in Orlando, it is even more important that fans are allowed to drink inside the stadium. The Gators and Seminoles don't have to allow alcohol because they are bringing in opponents that people want to watch, UCF isn't. The soccer team is almost beating UCF in attendance mainly due to the $11 24oz beers that they sell.

Crazy talk. At best it would be neutral. A lot of families attend ucf games and those are core fans. Not going to happen. They will continue to sell alcohol in premium areas though.

A lot of families attend Magic games too. The Magic sell alcohol and this doesn't deter families from attending basketball games. Additional revenue is another good reason. Just more excuses.

(05-12-2015 11:50 AM)YNot Wrote:  Better:

18-school conference - Keep the East and West divisions as is, just rename the West as "Central."

Then, add a 6-team West division:

EAST (Red): UConn, Temple, UC, ECU, USF, UCF
CENTRAL (White): Memphis, Tulane, SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Navy
WEST (Blue): BYU, Boise St., SDSU, AFA, CSU, UNLV/Fresno

So, you're basically just adding the West division to the current structure. Easy.

For Football: Play everyone in your division once and three crossover games for an 8-game schedule. The 8-game schedule makes it more likely to have more bowl eligible teams, and allows more flexibility to schedule P5 opponents.

For Olympic sports: Keep the three divisions (leaving Navy in the Patriot).

Play everyone in your division twice (H-H) and then 8-10 crossover games with 2-3 crossover road trips. Schedule can still work even though the Central has 5 teams and other divisions have 6.

This gets the best available expansion candidates for football - Boise, BYU, and AFA, and basketball - SDSU, BYU, UNLV?. It also creates the regional divisions to help develop regional intrigue intermixt with the national appeal and to contain travel costs.

I really think BYU will warm to this within the next couple of years. You can get Boise if BYU comes. You get anyone else you want if both BYU and Boise are in.

That's what I see as the best alternative. Of course, I don't think BYU will join. So I see the west having both UNLV and Fresno. However, where I differ from you, is I think our best bet is to also include a non-football school for each division. VCU in the East, Wichita in the Central, and BYU in the West. The BYU invite would include a scheduling agreement similar to the ACC deal with Notre Dame. That seems like a really fun entertaining conference that can dominate the G5 access bowl slot while also being one of the top 3 basketball conferences in the country. I think that probably would have some significant value to the networks.

Please no red, white and blue divisions.

Can we end this thread. It is getting boring after thirteen pages!

Change your settings.

(05-12-2015 11:43 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 11:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  just noticed this ...but the game had title implication for UCF not houston....it was Louisville and UCF fighting for the title ...not sure why that has any reason to boost houston tv ratings?

games that have affect houstons chances at a championships on ajor networks have done amazing, we just have really been at that level since keenum

You do realize, that coming into this game Houston had one loss, and that was by one point to BYU? Houston was playing this game with Title implications, on an equal level with UCF. There's absolutely no excuse why Houston drew as little as it did compared to UCF.

theres no excuse??? what????? UCF had already beaten the league favorites in a top 10 ranked UL, Penn state and lost to a top 10 SC by 3..Houston had 1 loss but hadnt played a 1 difficult team yet as a our schedule was back loaded. rice actually ended up being great that year but at the time of the game our wins looked horrid and lost to the one somewhat respectable team (perception wise) we played (and byu had already lost to 2 bottom feeding teams that year by our game, they finished strong but at the time of our game noone thought they were that good) we had almost no top 25votes despite having a "great record" ....."There's absolutely no excuse why Houston drew as little as it did compared to UCF" shows you're oblivious to the situation, there were rather OBVIOUS reasons ucf drew more in Orlando, the more telling situation was how bad the national ratings were despite UCF knocking off some powers. technically we were still in the race, but no one outside the Houston homer society believed it

and you keep completely ignoring the quality of the team....ucf just won a bcs and was in the running for a conference championship....they were obviously going to have better ratings that a team whos fans had quit on its coach....

We hadn't won a BCS bowl yet, at that point. We were coming off of a disappointing showing in the C-USA title game, and a meh bowl victory over an opponent most people don't know exists.

was talking about his byu reference for this year, he was comparing our BYU game ratings on espn to yours (After the bcs game)

during Houston in the briles and sumlin years we where by far the best tv draw in c-usa by a wide margin.better than any other team in the league when they were good...

You still have yet to provide evidence supporting this. I'll admit that Houston may very well have been the #1 draw in C-USA, as I don't really know. But by a wide margin? Using terms like "by far"? I call BS. UCF holds the first, second, and third place for highest attendance rankings in C-USA history, with 20,000 more in attendance than Houston's highest CCG. You would think with that kind of support, we'd draw a few eyeballs ourselves, no?

you realize stadium capacity is a thing? usf did over 60K once when they were decent, if they have played in a oncampus stadium which would have probably been 40k they would have drawn 40k not over 60k..using stadium attendance as a judge of national tv draw is very flawed. and UCF is the second largest university in america in a city with no football team, getting more local fans means almost nothing in respect national audience..

but for your proof i really dont feel like looking up tons of links but here a article that explains the gist of it..forbes back in 2010-2011 made a couple articles that Houston was the smart decision to add the the big 12 and his biggest point was we were doing amazing tv numbers, technically doesnt compare to c-usa (it compares to the big 12)but im too lazy to look up a all th articles, but if we are doing numbers somewhat similar to the big 12 that should help. and we were a big enough draw to get gameday on campus
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/...f-houston/



people dont get it that houston UCF has fans, but being in a city as big as Houston Orlando with tons of other pro teams they become bandwagons and whenever we lose find other things to do.

UCF has been pretty consistent over the years, in terms of attendance, because our success has been consistent pretty much, but the notion still stands, and the basketball team is a testament to how UCF can "get it"
winning and no proteam and huge student body

(05-12-2015 12:39 PM)Savacool Wrote:  Can we end this thread. It is getting boring after thirteen pages!

Is your mom making you read it? Just don't read it. Lord. Do people even think before they type anymore?

(05-12-2015 01:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 11:43 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 11:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  just noticed this ...but the game had title implication for UCF not houston....it was Louisville and UCF fighting for the title ...not sure why that has any reason to boost houston tv ratings?

games that have affect houstons chances at a championships on ajor networks have done amazing, we just have really been at that level since keenum

You do realize, that coming into this game Houston had one loss, and that was by one point to BYU? Houston was playing this game with Title implications, on an equal level with UCF. There's absolutely no excuse why Houston drew as little as it did compared to UCF.

theres no excuse??? what????? UCF had already beaten the league favorites in a top 10 ranked UL, Penn state and lost to a top 10 SC by 3..Houston had 1 loss but hadnt played a 1 difficult team yet as a our schedule was back loaded. rice actually ended up being great that year but at the time of the game our wins looked horrid and lost to the one somewhat respectable team (perception wise) we played (and byu had already lost to 2 bottom feeding teams that year by our game, they finished strong but at the time of our game noone thought they were that good) we had almost no top 25votes despite having a "great record" ....."There's absolutely no excuse why Houston drew as little as it did compared to UCF" shows you're oblivious to the situation, their was rather OBVIOUS reasons ucf drew more in Orlando, the more telling situation was how bad the national ratings were despite UCF knocking off some powers. technically we were still in the race, but no one outside the Houston homer society believed it

So you're arguing that the average Houston fan looked at your future schedule, looked at your record, came to the conclusion that there was no way that Houston was going to win the AAC, and decided to not tune in to their home town college teams game? That's utterly absurd. That was a great game that deserved more attention than it got (even though it got it's own commentary on college GameDay, that day, in which the ESPN reporters lauded the matchup for the AAC). I absolutely do not buy your excuse in the slightest.

and you keep completely ignoring the quality of the team....ucf just won a bcs and was in the running for a conference championship....they were obviously going to have better ratings that a team whos fans had quit on its coach....

We hadn't won a BCS bowl yet, at that point. We were coming off of a disappointing showing in the C-USA title game, and a meh bowl victory over an opponent most people don't know exists.

was talking about his byu reference for this year, he was comparing our BYU game ratings on espn to yours (After the bcs game)

Ah I didn't catch that. My mistake.

during Houston in the briles and sumlin years we where by far the best tv draw in c-usa by a wide margin.better than any other team in the league when they were good...

You still have yet to provide evidence supporting this. I'll admit that Houston may very well have been the #1 draw in C-USA, as I don't really know. But by a wide margin? Using terms like "by far"? I call BS. UCF holds the first, second, and third place for highest attendance rankings in C-USA history, with 20,000 more in attendance than Houston's highest CCG. You would think with that kind of support, we'd draw a few eyeballs ourselves, no?

you realize stadium capacity is a thing? usf did over 60K once when they were decent, if they have played in a oncampus stadium which would have probably been 40k they would have drawn 40k not over 60k..using stadium attendance as a judge of national tv draw is very flawed. and UCF is the second largest university in america in a city with no football team, getting more local fans means almost nothing in respect national audience..

It wasn't meant to be a be all / end all conclusive argument proving that UCF drew better, it was merely to support my supposition that UCF games can be assumed to draw well given our history of attendance. Even more so when one considers that that's excellent drawing despite the entertainment option problems that Orlando shares with Houston to a large extent.

but for your proof i really dont feel like looking up tons of links but here a article that explains the gist of it..forbes back in 2010-2011 made a couple articles that Houston was the smart decision to add the the big 12 and his biggest point was we were doing amazing tv numbers, technically doesnt compare to c-usa (it compares to the big 12)but im too lazy to look up a all th articles, but if we are doing numbers somewhat similar to the big 12 that should help
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/...f-houston/

You made the claim, and fail to provide more evidence than a 4 year old opinion piece. You'll excuse me if I still don't buy it.



people dont get it that houston UCF has fans, but being in a city as big as Houston Orlando with tons of other pro teams they become bandwagons and whenever we lose find other things to do.

UCF has been pretty consistent over the years, in terms of attendance, because our success has been consistent pretty much, but the notion still stands, and the basketball team is a testament to how UCF can "get it"
winning and no proteam and huge student body
Florida has unique problems in regards to sports teams that Texas simply does not. I'll bring your attention to Attendance problems that even the pro teams have, and that is the massively traditional Northern populations in Tampa / Orlando / Jacksonville, and the large influx of hispanic population in West Palm / Miami / Ft. Lauderdale.

Yes, UCF doesn't have a pro football team in Orlando, but they do have one 70 miles west in Tampa, 230 miles south in Miami, and 100 miles north in Jacksonville. On top of that, you have to account for the Giants Fans, the Yankees Fans, the Patriots / steelers / Packers / Vikings / Knicks / Jets / Hockey... etc. I can't tell you how many times i've heard a person say "I like the Magic, but the (insert northern team) will always be my #1"

I've lived in Houston. I currently live in other large southern states. The local teams are the majority representative in that city almost exclusively.

So bottom line, Large cities, many options, different problems = difficulty in luring away fans. The details of who has it worse is a different argument I'm not going to get into.

The bottom line is, with a team that was expected to be better than the previous, with a QB that was expected to compete for the title of "top QB in the conference", in a brand new stadium, you drew 28,311 people on average, which is 10,000 less than UCF had with a terrible home schedule, with only BYU as a "marquee" opponent.

your first point) look at our attendance if you dont believe...we were drawing 20k attendance...which was way lower than our average despite the great record, had 1 decently attended game and that was byu and this teams only chance to prove ourselves which we failed

points to keep in mind, since you are clearly oblivious to the houston situation
1) our fans hated our coach and had given up on him after he took a 13-1 team and took them to a 5-7 team (despite being preseason conference favorites) including a loss to a instate fbs startup, especially if you looked at his resumes which he wasnt qualified to have been hired in the first place (special teams coach)
2) our old AD in his short tenure was a horrific scheduler and we were all aware..we hadnt played a p5 in 2.5 years..and in basketball we were constantly ranked one of the worst OOC basketball schedules in the country, in basketball during the dickey years from those schedules we always started undefeated or 1 loss only to completely collapse in conference play. a roller coaster our fans had been on a couple times....rice and utsa ended up decent but no one gave rice credit till they won c-usa which was way after the game...
3)we received almost zero top 25 votes at 5-0 and at 7-1 (which was unheard off)....the analysts didn't think much of us either
and i watched that gameday too, they lauded UCF not the game, and basically said ucf was better than they were given credit and were a team to watch, not houston

you dont want to believe me but what i tell you is a fact..outsides of the core homers like myself, none were impressed with Houston or thought much of us..houston has a huge fanbase the majority only show up when we are legit

tv point) it wasnt simply an opinion piece, did you even read it? he showed numerous tv rating and facts....the article was an opinion on why Houston is the logical choice using FACTS....it stated Houston was doing unrealistically amazing tv rating while playing in c-usa, comparable to alot of big 12 teams, imagine what they'd do in the big 12 ...and it was a piece from 2011 cause my point was we were the best tv draw in c-usa which was in 2011-prior ...and this wasnt some blog site or even a sports site it was forbes, one of the leading companies in business information...and youd be foolish to think anyone in c-usa was doing anywhere close to numbers like that

and to your last point) like i said we sold out easy for the first game, but lost to another fbs startup in utsa (again), bandwagon gone....in a game we were double digit favorites and lost by a wide margin ..and you want to complain about ucf's schedule ....only 1 team had a winning record that came to our stadium and ucf didnt even have a winning record when we played...mix horrible schedule, fan giving up on a coach, supposed star qb flopping and being benched..and 28k isnt event that bad.....

(05-12-2015 02:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  your first point) look at our attendance if you dont believe...we were drawing 20k attendance...which was way lower than our average despite the great record, had 1 decently attended game and that was byu and this teams only chance to prove ourselves which we failed

points to keep in mind, since you are clearly oblivious to the houston situation
1) our fans hated our coach and had given up on him after he took a 13-1 team and took them to a 5-7 team (despite being preseason conference favorites) including a loss to a instate fbs startup, especially if you looked at his resumes which he wasnt qualified to have been hired in the first place (special teams coach)
2) our old AD in his short tenure was a horrific scheduler and we were all aware..we hadnt played a p5 in 2.5 years..and in basketball we were constantly ranked one of the worst OOC basketball schedules in the country, in basketball during the dickey years from those schedules we always started undefeated or 1 loss only to completely collapse in conference play. a roller coaster our fans had been on a couple times....rice and utsa ended up decent but no one gave rice credit till they won c-usa which was way after the game...
3)we received almost zero top 25 votes at 5-0 and at 7-1 (which was unheard off)....the analysts didn't think much of us either
and i watched that gameday too, they lauded UCF not the game, and basically said ucf was better than they were given credit and were a team to watch, not houston

you dont want to believe me but what i tell you is a fact..outsides of the core homers like myself, none were impressed with Houston or thought much of us..houston has a huge fanbase the majority only show up when we are legit

tv point) it wasnt simply an opinion piece, did you even read it? he showed numerous tv rating and facts....the article was an opinion on why Houston is the logical choice using FACTS....it stated Houston was doing unrealistically amazing tv rating while playing in c-usa, comparable to alot of big 12 teams, imagine what they'd do in the big 12 ...and it was a piece from 2011 cause my point was we were the best tv draw in c-usa which was in 2011-prior ...and this wasnt some blog site or even a sports site it was forbes, one of the leading companies in business information...and youd be foolish to think anyone in c-usa was doing anywhere close to numbers like that

and to your last point) like i said we sold out easy for the first game, but lost to another fbs startup in utsa (again), bandwagon gone....in a game we were double digit favorites and lost by a wide margin ..and you want to complain about ucf's schedule ....only 1 team had a winning record that came to our stadium and ucf didnt even have a winning record when we played...mix horrible schedule, fan giving up on a coach, supposed star qb flopping and being benched..and 28k isnt event that bad.....

You know the only point I contend is the first point. I still don't buy any reason you've given to excuse why two teams combining for 14-2 (I think?) was watched AND attending heavily in Orlando, but didn't draw flies in Houston.

Anything else I can defer to reasonable arguments, except for these points:

-Major: the article you linked is missing any detailed comparison. It compares probably your highest watched game ever since ratings were established, against the average Big 12 game, conference wide. Worse, it doesn't include whether it's only conference games, or if OOC games are included. This is a double edge sword because what were the ratings for Iowa State vs. Kent State in 2009? That could bring the average way way down, whereas what were the ratings for the Texas / Alabama National Championship in 2009? That could drastically skew the ratings up.

It is apples and oranges to compare individual games to conference wide averages.

It also, doesn't compare your ratings to other conference programs under similar circumstances, which was my point of contention because you claim that people were watching Houston at a much much greater clip than they were UCF, which hasn't been proven in the slightest. I think a better comparison would have been comparing UCF's highest watched games (South Carolina, Louisville, Baylor) versus Houston's.

-Minor: Houston in the Big 12. Expansion is driven by new markets, not large existing markets. You don't see anyone advocating Cincinnati to the Big 10, or UCF to the ACC for the exact same reason)

ill make the point simple: the vast majority of our fans only show or care when we are good, most of our fans didnt think we were good in 2013..its that simple our fans don't judge by record alone as seen by the dreadful attendance

ucf just pulled of its best 2 wins in history and stood toe to toe with another top 10 team...orlando had a reason to watch as this was already the best football season on anyteam in orlando history... not sure whats difficult about that

comparing UCF's highest watched games (South Carolina, Louisville, Baylor) makes no sense, as those games were in the AAC, my point was during our tenure in c-usa when houston was good we by a wiede margin out drew everyone in national tv ratings ...AAC was after that...and all 3 of those games you named over 70% of the viewers were there for the other team...Houston had just beaten a top 10 team in okstate the week before.. and were dramatically higher ranked than tech...atleast 70% were there to see Houston ...and for our USM game, we lost but the 95% of the 3million+ viewers were there for houston ...and we had enough national interest to get gameday to show...

(05-12-2015 03:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  -Minor: Houston in the Big 12. Expansion is driven by new markets, not large existing markets. You don't see anyone advocating Cincinnati to the Big 10, or UCF to the ACC for the exact same reason)

but this has been a big topic of conversation in our forum, everyone considers houston sec territory

this came out 2 days
http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ton-050515

houston in the biggest city in the south..and the big 12 has almost lost all control in it..their is a very legit argument that can be made for making a push to get it back

Then we need to do it.

16 team, Super Conference.

West:

1. Tulsa
2. Tulane
3. SMU
4. Houston
5. San Diego State
6. Boise State
7. Colorado State
8. Utah State

East:

1. Memphis
2. Cincinnati
3. UCF
4. USF
5. Navy
6. UConn
7. ECU
8. Temple

That's a solid 7 bid basketball league and we'd get the G5 slot every year. 1 crossover game in football for an 8 game league schedule to save on travel costs. True East vs West Conference Title game.

(05-12-2015 04:55 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Then we need to do it.

16 team, Super Conference.

West:

1. Tulsa
2. Tulane
3. SMU
4. Houston
5. San Diego State
6. Boise State
7. Colorado State
8. Utah State

East:

1. Memphis
2. Cincinnati
3. UCF
4. USF
5. Navy
6. UConn
7. ECU
8. Temple

That's a solid 7 bid basketball league and we'd get the G5 slot every year. 1 crossover game in football for an 8 game league schedule to save on travel costs. True East vs West Conference Title game.

Absolutely no way Utah State gets in over UNLV. None. Zero.

(05-12-2015 04:55 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Then we need to do it.

16 team, Super Conference.

West:

1. Tulsa
2. Tulane
3. SMU
4. Houston
5. San Diego State
6. Boise State
7. Colorado State
8. Utah State

East:

1. Memphis
2. Cincinnati
3. UCF
4. USF
5. Navy
6. UConn
7. ECU
8. Temple

That's a solid 7 bid basketball league and we'd get the G5 slot every year. 1 crossover game in football for an 8 game league schedule to save on travel costs. True East vs West Conference Title game.

A coast to coast G5 conference will never work. I'm not even sure that a coast to coast P5 conference like the Big East was going to be would have worked.