(03-15-2017 12:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 11:26 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A Power 2 of 72 teams?

SEC

LSU, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Miss State, TCU

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Miami, Georgia, GT, Clemson, SC

ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC, Louisville, Kentucky, Houston, Cincinnati

Tennessee, NC, Duke, NC State, WF, Virginia, VT, Tulane, Vanderbilt

B1G

Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, UCONN

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St, Illinois, Northwestern

Arizona, Arizona St, Texas, TT, Baylor, Utah, Colorado, SMU, BYU

UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Wash St, San Diego State

This includes 7 G5's & 5 of the top 6 top revenue producing G5's (UCONN, BYU, SMU, Tulane & Houston). SD State fits in well with that California, Oregon & Washington division. Cincinnati is a good all around addition & gives the large state of Ohio a second power team.

I would absolutely consider moving Houston into SMU spot & then placing either UCF, Temple, USF or ECU into Houston spot. I took SMU because they are the 3rd highest revenue producing G5 & has potential but the state of Texas maybe overly represented. Pennsylvania, Florida & North Carolina are also well represented however.

If you're doing 72, I'd use the current power schools (65) + BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, San Diego St, Tulane, Temple. For me, USF/UCF are close behind. For 80, I'd have UCF and USF along with Memphis, UNLV, Colorado St, East Carolina, Boise St, and New Mexico behind them. I think markets, competitiveness, and public draw are important. The money will come if a schools is deemed a power school. The military schools are always welcome for me.

With these 80, I'd consider 4 conferences of 20:

PAC:
North - Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Boise St
West - California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, San Diego St
South - Arizona, Arizona St, UNLV, Utah, BYU
East - Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Houston, TCU

SEC:
West - Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Baylor
South - Texas A&M, LSU, Tulane, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East - Florida, South Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, East Carolina

B1G:
South - Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St
West - Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois
Central - Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St
East - Rutgers, Maryland, Connecticut, Penn St, Ohio St

ACC:
South - Miami, Florida St, Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Middle - North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia
West - Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
North - Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Boston College

That works as well & I wouldn't have any complaints going to 80.

(03-15-2017 12:38 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 11:26 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A Power 2 of 72 teams?

SEC

LSU, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Miss State, TCU

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Miami, Georgia, GT, Clemson, SC

ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC, Louisville, Kentucky, Houston, Cincinnati

Tennessee, NC, Duke, NC State, WF, Virginia, VT, Tulane, Vanderbilt

B1G

Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, UCONN

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St, Illinois, Northwestern

Arizona, Arizona St, Texas, TT, Baylor, Utah, Colorado, SMU, BYU

UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Wash St, San Diego State

This includes 7 G5's & 5 of the top 6 top revenue producing G5's (UCONN, BYU, SMU, Tulane & Houston). SD State fits in well with that California, Oregon & Washington division. Cincinnati is a good all around addition & gives the large state of Ohio a second power team.

I would absolutely consider moving Houston into SMU spot & then placing either UCF, Temple, USF or ECU into Houston spot. I took SMU because they are the 3rd highest revenue producing G5 & has potential but the state of Texas maybe overly represented. Pennsylvania, Florida & North Carolina are also well represented however.

If you're doing 72, I'd use the current power schools (65) + BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, San Diego St, Tulane, Temple. For me, USF/UCF are close behind. For 80, I'd have UCF and USF along with Memphis, UNLV, Colorado St, East Carolina, Boise St, and New Mexico behind them. I think markets, competitiveness, and public draw are important. The money will come if a schools is deemed a power school. The military schools are always welcome for me.

With these 80, I'd consider 4 conferences of 20:

PAC:
North - Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Boise St
West - California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, San Diego St
South - Arizona, Arizona St, UNLV, Utah, BYU
East - Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Houston, TCU

SEC:
West - Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Baylor
South - Texas A&M, LSU, Tulane, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East - Florida, South Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, East Carolina

B1G:
South - Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St
West - Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois
Central - Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St
East - Rutgers, Maryland, Connecticut, Penn St, Ohio St

ACC:
South - Miami, Florida St, Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Middle - North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia
West - Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
North - Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Boston College

That works as well & I wouldn't have any complaints going to 80.

No, it doesn't work at all for the SEC. We earned 40.1 million per school this year. Let that sink in for a moment. Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor simply don't work for us. Neither do South Florida, East Carolina or Tulane.

You need to check and see three things about each of these schools.
1. Do they average 77,000 per home game? That's what the SEC averages and at ticket costs that start at $75 each and go up and which also require a requisite donation of $600.00 per season ticket book for the opportunity to purchase them.

2. Did the athletic department average 92 million in gross revenue. That's the mean of the SEC schools.

3. Do they offer the 17 required sports of the SEC?

You've added six schools to the SEC that each would drag the overall revenue pie down. In other words it's not happening! If you want to add an East Carolina then you are going to need an Oklahoma quality addition so that the pair still meet the means of the conference statistics. Together they need to average 92 million in gross revenue. Together they need to average 77,000 in attendance.

With the groupings I gave earlier all of those moving to the SEC, PAC, or Big 10 would be moving up the pay ladder, but entering leagues where the means were at least equal. Remember as we move away from cable we move away from market weighted contracts and into content driven contracts. The "New P Conference" gave a grouping of schools that averaged about 55-60,000 in attendance and which had a mean of gross revenue closer to 70,000 million. Now that means that some of them earned in the 90's and some of them in the 50's.

You will notice that I didn't include Tulane. Why? They averaged about 19,000 in attendance and the total gross revenue for the athletic department was under 50 million. Not to mention that they don't offer the requisite sports.

Like I said this is for fun, but try a little bit to make it more realistic.

I placed Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse in the Big 10. Each of them delivers markets, 4 of them are AAU. Syracuse lost the status about 5 years ago. Notre Dame already has a Big 10 clearance should they ever want in. All of them enhance the Big 10 either athletically, academically, or by improving their content and markets.

I placed Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State and T.C.U. in the SEC. Most of those do the same. T.C.U. is the weakest link, but they do give the SEC a presence in DFW. Arguably Louisville could be in that slot due to overall athletic strength and better attendance.

I moved the bulk of the Big 12 to the PAC where as a unit they do the most good. The Big 10 would prefer the ACC schools to those.

Getting promoted to the P ranks was the plumb for the others. If they are in a conference of their own with the likes of Baylor, Wake Forest, and West Virginia then so be it.

I have nothing against WVU but if the SEC has Virginia Tech then we don't need them. Texas Tech could help us deliver the DFW area in concert with the Aggies, but Tech is the obvious bridge to the West for the rest of the Big 12.

So think about these things and see what you can come up with.

(03-15-2017 01:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:38 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 11:26 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A Power 2 of 72 teams?

SEC

LSU, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Miss State, TCU

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Miami, Georgia, GT, Clemson, SC

ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC, Louisville, Kentucky, Houston, Cincinnati

Tennessee, NC, Duke, NC State, WF, Virginia, VT, Tulane, Vanderbilt

B1G

Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, UCONN

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St, Illinois, Northwestern

Arizona, Arizona St, Texas, TT, Baylor, Utah, Colorado, SMU, BYU

UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Wash St, San Diego State

This includes 7 G5's & 5 of the top 6 top revenue producing G5's (UCONN, BYU, SMU, Tulane & Houston). SD State fits in well with that California, Oregon & Washington division. Cincinnati is a good all around addition & gives the large state of Ohio a second power team.

I would absolutely consider moving Houston into SMU spot & then placing either UCF, Temple, USF or ECU into Houston spot. I took SMU because they are the 3rd highest revenue producing G5 & has potential but the state of Texas maybe overly represented. Pennsylvania, Florida & North Carolina are also well represented however.

If you're doing 72, I'd use the current power schools (65) + BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, San Diego St, Tulane, Temple. For me, USF/UCF are close behind. For 80, I'd have UCF and USF along with Memphis, UNLV, Colorado St, East Carolina, Boise St, and New Mexico behind them. I think markets, competitiveness, and public draw are important. The money will come if a schools is deemed a power school. The military schools are always welcome for me.

With these 80, I'd consider 4 conferences of 20:

PAC:
North - Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Boise St
West - California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, San Diego St
South - Arizona, Arizona St, UNLV, Utah, BYU
East - Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Houston, TCU

SEC:
West - Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Baylor
South - Texas A&M, LSU, Tulane, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East - Florida, South Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, East Carolina

B1G:
South - Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St
West - Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois
Central - Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St
East - Rutgers, Maryland, Connecticut, Penn St, Ohio St

ACC:
South - Miami, Florida St, Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Middle - North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia
West - Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
North - Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Boston College

That works as well & I wouldn't have any complaints going to 80.

No, it doesn't work at all for the SEC. We earned 40.1 million per school this year. Let that sink in for a moment. Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor simply don't work for us. Neither do South Florida, East Carolina or Tulane.

You need to check and see three things about each of these schools.
1. Do they average 77,000 per home game? That's what the SEC averages and at ticket costs that start at $75 each and go up and which also require a requisite donation of $600.00 per season ticket book for the opportunity to purchase them.

2. Did the athletic department average 92 million in gross revenue. That's the mean of the SEC schools.

3. Do they offer the 17 required sports of the SEC?

You've added six schools to the SEC that each would drag the overall revenue pie down. In other words it's not happening! If you want to add an East Carolina then you are going to need an Oklahoma quality addition so that the pair still meet the means of the conference statistics. Together they need to average 92 million in gross revenue. Together they need to average 77,000 in attendance.

With the groupings I gave earlier all of those moving to the SEC, PAC, or Big 10 would be moving up the pay ladder, but entering leagues where the means were at least equal. Remember as we move away from cable we move away from market weighted contracts and into content driven contracts. The "New P Conference" gave a grouping of schools that averaged about 55-60,000 in attendance and which had a mean of gross revenue closer to 70,000 million. Now that means that some of them earned in the 90's and some of them in the 50's.

You will notice that I didn't include Tulane. Why? They averaged about 19,000 in attendance and the total gross revenue for the athletic department was under 50 million. Not to mention that they don't offer the requisite sports.

Like I said this is for fun, but try a little bit to make it more realistic.

I placed Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse in the Big 10. Each of them delivers markets, 4 of them are AAU. Syracuse lost the status about 5 years ago. Notre Dame already has a Big 10 clearance should they ever want in. All of them enhance the Big 10 either athletically, academically, or by improving their content and markets.

I placed Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State and T.C.U. in the SEC. Most of those do the same. T.C.U. is the weakest link, but they do give the SEC a presence in DFW. Arguably Louisville could be in that slot due to overall athletic strength and better attendance.

I moved the bulk of the Big 12 to the PAC where as a unit they do the most good. The Big 10 would prefer the ACC schools to those.

Getting promoted to the P ranks was the plumb for the others. If they are in a conference of their own with the likes of Baylor, Wake Forest, and West Virginia then so be it.

I have nothing against WVU but if the SEC has Virginia Tech then we don't need them. Texas Tech could help us deliver the DFW area in concert with the Aggies, but Tech is the obvious bridge to the West for the rest of the Big 12.

So think about these things and see what you can come up with.

I'm very well aware of the points you brought up and they are valid when they are making real decisions. I was just having fun with it.

(03-15-2017 03:08 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 01:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:38 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 11:26 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A Power 2 of 72 teams?

SEC

LSU, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Miss State, TCU

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Miami, Georgia, GT, Clemson, SC

ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC, Louisville, Kentucky, Houston, Cincinnati

Tennessee, NC, Duke, NC State, WF, Virginia, VT, Tulane, Vanderbilt

B1G

Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, UCONN

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St, Illinois, Northwestern

Arizona, Arizona St, Texas, TT, Baylor, Utah, Colorado, SMU, BYU

UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Wash St, San Diego State

This includes 7 G5's & 5 of the top 6 top revenue producing G5's (UCONN, BYU, SMU, Tulane & Houston). SD State fits in well with that California, Oregon & Washington division. Cincinnati is a good all around addition & gives the large state of Ohio a second power team.

I would absolutely consider moving Houston into SMU spot & then placing either UCF, Temple, USF or ECU into Houston spot. I took SMU because they are the 3rd highest revenue producing G5 & has potential but the state of Texas maybe overly represented. Pennsylvania, Florida & North Carolina are also well represented however.

If you're doing 72, I'd use the current power schools (65) + BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, San Diego St, Tulane, Temple. For me, USF/UCF are close behind. For 80, I'd have UCF and USF along with Memphis, UNLV, Colorado St, East Carolina, Boise St, and New Mexico behind them. I think markets, competitiveness, and public draw are important. The money will come if a schools is deemed a power school. The military schools are always welcome for me.

With these 80, I'd consider 4 conferences of 20:

PAC:
North - Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Boise St
West - California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, San Diego St
South - Arizona, Arizona St, UNLV, Utah, BYU
East - Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Houston, TCU

SEC:
West - Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Baylor
South - Texas A&M, LSU, Tulane, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East - Florida, South Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, East Carolina

B1G:
South - Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St
West - Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois
Central - Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St
East - Rutgers, Maryland, Connecticut, Penn St, Ohio St

ACC:
South - Miami, Florida St, Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Middle - North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia
West - Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
North - Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Boston College

That works as well & I wouldn't have any complaints going to 80.

No, it doesn't work at all for the SEC. We earned 40.1 million per school this year. Let that sink in for a moment. Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor simply don't work for us. Neither do South Florida, East Carolina or Tulane.

You need to check and see three things about each of these schools.
1. Do they average 77,000 per home game? That's what the SEC averages and at ticket costs that start at $75 each and go up and which also require a requisite donation of $600.00 per season ticket book for the opportunity to purchase them.

2. Did the athletic department average 92 million in gross revenue. That's the mean of the SEC schools.

3. Do they offer the 17 required sports of the SEC?

You've added six schools to the SEC that each would drag the overall revenue pie down. In other words it's not happening! If you want to add an East Carolina then you are going to need an Oklahoma quality addition so that the pair still meet the means of the conference statistics. Together they need to average 92 million in gross revenue. Together they need to average 77,000 in attendance.

With the groupings I gave earlier all of those moving to the SEC, PAC, or Big 10 would be moving up the pay ladder, but entering leagues where the means were at least equal. Remember as we move away from cable we move away from market weighted contracts and into content driven contracts. The "New P Conference" gave a grouping of schools that averaged about 55-60,000 in attendance and which had a mean of gross revenue closer to 70,000 million. Now that means that some of them earned in the 90's and some of them in the 50's.

You will notice that I didn't include Tulane. Why? They averaged about 19,000 in attendance and the total gross revenue for the athletic department was under 50 million. Not to mention that they don't offer the requisite sports.

Like I said this is for fun, but try a little bit to make it more realistic.

I placed Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse in the Big 10. Each of them delivers markets, 4 of them are AAU. Syracuse lost the status about 5 years ago. Notre Dame already has a Big 10 clearance should they ever want in. All of them enhance the Big 10 either athletically, academically, or by improving their content and markets.

I placed Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State and T.C.U. in the SEC. Most of those do the same. T.C.U. is the weakest link, but they do give the SEC a presence in DFW. Arguably Louisville could be in that slot due to overall athletic strength and better attendance.

I moved the bulk of the Big 12 to the PAC where as a unit they do the most good. The Big 10 would prefer the ACC schools to those.

Getting promoted to the P ranks was the plumb for the others. If they are in a conference of their own with the likes of Baylor, Wake Forest, and West Virginia then so be it.

I have nothing against WVU but if the SEC has Virginia Tech then we don't need them. Texas Tech could help us deliver the DFW area in concert with the Aggies, but Tech is the obvious bridge to the West for the rest of the Big 12.

So think about these things and see what you can come up with.

I'm very well aware of the points you brought up and they are valid when they are making real decisions. I was just having fun with it.

Fair enough.

(03-15-2017 03:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:08 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 01:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:38 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If you're doing 72, I'd use the current power schools (65) + BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, San Diego St, Tulane, Temple. For me, USF/UCF are close behind. For 80, I'd have UCF and USF along with Memphis, UNLV, Colorado St, East Carolina, Boise St, and New Mexico behind them. I think markets, competitiveness, and public draw are important. The money will come if a schools is deemed a power school. The military schools are always welcome for me.

With these 80, I'd consider 4 conferences of 20:

PAC:
North - Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Boise St
West - California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, San Diego St
South - Arizona, Arizona St, UNLV, Utah, BYU
East - Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Houston, TCU

SEC:
West - Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Baylor
South - Texas A&M, LSU, Tulane, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East - Florida, South Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, East Carolina

B1G:
South - Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St
West - Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois
Central - Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St
East - Rutgers, Maryland, Connecticut, Penn St, Ohio St

ACC:
South - Miami, Florida St, Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Middle - North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia
West - Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
North - Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Boston College

That works as well & I wouldn't have any complaints going to 80.

No, it doesn't work at all for the SEC. We earned 40.1 million per school this year. Let that sink in for a moment. Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor simply don't work for us. Neither do South Florida, East Carolina or Tulane.

You need to check and see three things about each of these schools.
1. Do they average 77,000 per home game? That's what the SEC averages and at ticket costs that start at $75 each and go up and which also require a requisite donation of $600.00 per season ticket book for the opportunity to purchase them.

2. Did the athletic department average 92 million in gross revenue. That's the mean of the SEC schools.

3. Do they offer the 17 required sports of the SEC?

You've added six schools to the SEC that each would drag the overall revenue pie down. In other words it's not happening! If you want to add an East Carolina then you are going to need an Oklahoma quality addition so that the pair still meet the means of the conference statistics. Together they need to average 92 million in gross revenue. Together they need to average 77,000 in attendance.

With the groupings I gave earlier all of those moving to the SEC, PAC, or Big 10 would be moving up the pay ladder, but entering leagues where the means were at least equal. Remember as we move away from cable we move away from market weighted contracts and into content driven contracts. The "New P Conference" gave a grouping of schools that averaged about 55-60,000 in attendance and which had a mean of gross revenue closer to 70,000 million. Now that means that some of them earned in the 90's and some of them in the 50's.

You will notice that I didn't include Tulane. Why? They averaged about 19,000 in attendance and the total gross revenue for the athletic department was under 50 million. Not to mention that they don't offer the requisite sports.

Like I said this is for fun, but try a little bit to make it more realistic.

I placed Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse in the Big 10. Each of them delivers markets, 4 of them are AAU. Syracuse lost the status about 5 years ago. Notre Dame already has a Big 10 clearance should they ever want in. All of them enhance the Big 10 either athletically, academically, or by improving their content and markets.

I placed Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State and T.C.U. in the SEC. Most of those do the same. T.C.U. is the weakest link, but they do give the SEC a presence in DFW. Arguably Louisville could be in that slot due to overall athletic strength and better attendance.

I moved the bulk of the Big 12 to the PAC where as a unit they do the most good. The Big 10 would prefer the ACC schools to those.

Getting promoted to the P ranks was the plumb for the others. If they are in a conference of their own with the likes of Baylor, Wake Forest, and West Virginia then so be it.

I have nothing against WVU but if the SEC has Virginia Tech then we don't need them. Texas Tech could help us deliver the DFW area in concert with the Aggies, but Tech is the obvious bridge to the West for the rest of the Big 12.

So think about these things and see what you can come up with.

I'm very well aware of the points you brought up and they are valid when they are making real decisions. I was just having fun with it.

Fair enough.

You are correct in your analyses but nearly every possible scheme for conference realignment/expansion/dissolution has been played out on this board.

I actually prefer one of two extremes. Either:

1. Divide the FBS schools into divisions and conferences strictly by geography (regardless of money, market, size, academics, etc.). If a school joins the FBS, then affiliate them with their "local" division/conference.

2. Create a 3rd tier for Division I college football. Call it FAS > FBS > FCS. FAS stands for Football Aristocracy Subdivision. This is for those schools that meet some combination certain criteria (history, market, academics, competitiveness, attendance, money, etc.) over a specified period of time.

Essentially, make it completely even or completely not. Right now its somewhere in between but definitely leaning towards completely not even. I had to pick between the two, I go with the latter and make the FAS.

Without going through all the data, I'd say there's probably 40-50 programs out there that fit this mold. Below I selected 48 schools for 3 conferences of 16. I'm sure I have picked several incorrect schools and may have missed some good ones. From the top of my head I went with power flagships, recent success, money, and academics (kind of.) I would do something like this:

PAC:
West: Washington, Oregon, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
East: Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

B1G:
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Notre Dame, Michigan St
East: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech

SEC:
West: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville
East: Miami, Florida, Florida St, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina St, Virginia Tech

Schools can "earn" their way into the FAS by sustaining whatever required numbers with votes and can't be unreasonably denied membership. Schools can also be put on probation and eventually voted out if certain numbers are not met over a specified period of time.

I know the SEC loses out on the State of Texas, but the conference was fine without it and it gains the entire State of Florida.

(03-15-2017 03:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:08 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 01:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:38 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If you're doing 72, I'd use the current power schools (65) + BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, San Diego St, Tulane, Temple. For me, USF/UCF are close behind. For 80, I'd have UCF and USF along with Memphis, UNLV, Colorado St, East Carolina, Boise St, and New Mexico behind them. I think markets, competitiveness, and public draw are important. The money will come if a schools is deemed a power school. The military schools are always welcome for me.

With these 80, I'd consider 4 conferences of 20:

PAC:
North - Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Boise St
West - California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, San Diego St
South - Arizona, Arizona St, UNLV, Utah, BYU
East - Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Houston, TCU

SEC:
West - Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Baylor
South - Texas A&M, LSU, Tulane, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East - Florida, South Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, East Carolina

B1G:
South - Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St
West - Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois
Central - Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St
East - Rutgers, Maryland, Connecticut, Penn St, Ohio St

ACC:
South - Miami, Florida St, Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Middle - North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia
West - Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
North - Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Boston College

That works as well & I wouldn't have any complaints going to 80.

No, it doesn't work at all for the SEC. We earned 40.1 million per school this year. Let that sink in for a moment. Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor simply don't work for us. Neither do South Florida, East Carolina or Tulane.

You need to check and see three things about each of these schools.
1. Do they average 77,000 per home game? That's what the SEC averages and at ticket costs that start at $75 each and go up and which also require a requisite donation of $600.00 per season ticket book for the opportunity to purchase them.

2. Did the athletic department average 92 million in gross revenue. That's the mean of the SEC schools.

3. Do they offer the 17 required sports of the SEC?

You've added six schools to the SEC that each would drag the overall revenue pie down. In other words it's not happening! If you want to add an East Carolina then you are going to need an Oklahoma quality addition so that the pair still meet the means of the conference statistics. Together they need to average 92 million in gross revenue. Together they need to average 77,000 in attendance.

With the groupings I gave earlier all of those moving to the SEC, PAC, or Big 10 would be moving up the pay ladder, but entering leagues where the means were at least equal. Remember as we move away from cable we move away from market weighted contracts and into content driven contracts. The "New P Conference" gave a grouping of schools that averaged about 55-60,000 in attendance and which had a mean of gross revenue closer to 70,000 million. Now that means that some of them earned in the 90's and some of them in the 50's.

You will notice that I didn't include Tulane. Why? They averaged about 19,000 in attendance and the total gross revenue for the athletic department was under 50 million. Not to mention that they don't offer the requisite sports.

Like I said this is for fun, but try a little bit to make it more realistic.

I placed Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse in the Big 10. Each of them delivers markets, 4 of them are AAU. Syracuse lost the status about 5 years ago. Notre Dame already has a Big 10 clearance should they ever want in. All of them enhance the Big 10 either athletically, academically, or by improving their content and markets.

I placed Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State and T.C.U. in the SEC. Most of those do the same. T.C.U. is the weakest link, but they do give the SEC a presence in DFW. Arguably Louisville could be in that slot due to overall athletic strength and better attendance.

I moved the bulk of the Big 12 to the PAC where as a unit they do the most good. The Big 10 would prefer the ACC schools to those.

Getting promoted to the P ranks was the plumb for the others. If they are in a conference of their own with the likes of Baylor, Wake Forest, and West Virginia then so be it.

I have nothing against WVU but if the SEC has Virginia Tech then we don't need them. Texas Tech could help us deliver the DFW area in concert with the Aggies, but Tech is the obvious bridge to the West for the rest of the Big 12.

So think about these things and see what you can come up with.

I'm very well aware of the points you brought up and they are valid when they are making real decisions. I was just having fun with it.

Fair enough.

When I said that it worked I meant for me since Louisville wasn't stuck in some best of the rest national conference pretending to be a power conference, lol. As for 80, Louisville came up through the G5 ranks & know how tough it can be so I'm personally all for inclusion over separation.

I thought my original 72 P2 wasn't bad. I gave the SEC the entire ACC along with Oklahoma, ND & only 3 G5's. Going to a P2 of 36 each it's really difficult meeting the SEC high standards, they're only a few brands to go around therefore my focus was on regional divisions.

(03-15-2017 05:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:08 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 01:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:38 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  That works as well & I wouldn't have any complaints going to 80.

No, it doesn't work at all for the SEC. We earned 40.1 million per school this year. Let that sink in for a moment. Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor simply don't work for us. Neither do South Florida, East Carolina or Tulane.

You need to check and see three things about each of these schools.
1. Do they average 77,000 per home game? That's what the SEC averages and at ticket costs that start at $75 each and go up and which also require a requisite donation of $600.00 per season ticket book for the opportunity to purchase them.

2. Did the athletic department average 92 million in gross revenue. That's the mean of the SEC schools.

3. Do they offer the 17 required sports of the SEC?

You've added six schools to the SEC that each would drag the overall revenue pie down. In other words it's not happening! If you want to add an East Carolina then you are going to need an Oklahoma quality addition so that the pair still meet the means of the conference statistics. Together they need to average 92 million in gross revenue. Together they need to average 77,000 in attendance.

With the groupings I gave earlier all of those moving to the SEC, PAC, or Big 10 would be moving up the pay ladder, but entering leagues where the means were at least equal. Remember as we move away from cable we move away from market weighted contracts and into content driven contracts. The "New P Conference" gave a grouping of schools that averaged about 55-60,000 in attendance and which had a mean of gross revenue closer to 70,000 million. Now that means that some of them earned in the 90's and some of them in the 50's.

You will notice that I didn't include Tulane. Why? They averaged about 19,000 in attendance and the total gross revenue for the athletic department was under 50 million. Not to mention that they don't offer the requisite sports.

Like I said this is for fun, but try a little bit to make it more realistic.

I placed Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse in the Big 10. Each of them delivers markets, 4 of them are AAU. Syracuse lost the status about 5 years ago. Notre Dame already has a Big 10 clearance should they ever want in. All of them enhance the Big 10 either athletically, academically, or by improving their content and markets.

I placed Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State and T.C.U. in the SEC. Most of those do the same. T.C.U. is the weakest link, but they do give the SEC a presence in DFW. Arguably Louisville could be in that slot due to overall athletic strength and better attendance.

I moved the bulk of the Big 12 to the PAC where as a unit they do the most good. The Big 10 would prefer the ACC schools to those.

Getting promoted to the P ranks was the plumb for the others. If they are in a conference of their own with the likes of Baylor, Wake Forest, and West Virginia then so be it.

I have nothing against WVU but if the SEC has Virginia Tech then we don't need them. Texas Tech could help us deliver the DFW area in concert with the Aggies, but Tech is the obvious bridge to the West for the rest of the Big 12.

So think about these things and see what you can come up with.

I'm very well aware of the points you brought up and they are valid when they are making real decisions. I was just having fun with it.

Fair enough.

When I said that it worked I meant for me since Louisville wasn't stuck in some best of the rest national conference pretending to be a power conference, lol. As for 80, Louisville came up through the G5 ranks & know how tough it can be so I'm personally all for inclusion over separation.

I thought my original 72 P2 wasn't bad. I gave the SEC the entire ACC along with Oklahoma, ND & only 3 G5's. Going to a P2 of 36 each it's really difficult meeting the SEC high standards, they're only a few brands to go around therefore my focus was on regional divisions.

Louisville has earned it. Football, basketball, and baseball power.

(03-15-2017 05:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:08 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 01:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 12:38 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  That works as well & I wouldn't have any complaints going to 80.

No, it doesn't work at all for the SEC. We earned 40.1 million per school this year. Let that sink in for a moment. Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor simply don't work for us. Neither do South Florida, East Carolina or Tulane.

You need to check and see three things about each of these schools.
1. Do they average 77,000 per home game? That's what the SEC averages and at ticket costs that start at $75 each and go up and which also require a requisite donation of $600.00 per season ticket book for the opportunity to purchase them.

2. Did the athletic department average 92 million in gross revenue. That's the mean of the SEC schools.

3. Do they offer the 17 required sports of the SEC?

You've added six schools to the SEC that each would drag the overall revenue pie down. In other words it's not happening! If you want to add an East Carolina then you are going to need an Oklahoma quality addition so that the pair still meet the means of the conference statistics. Together they need to average 92 million in gross revenue. Together they need to average 77,000 in attendance.

With the groupings I gave earlier all of those moving to the SEC, PAC, or Big 10 would be moving up the pay ladder, but entering leagues where the means were at least equal. Remember as we move away from cable we move away from market weighted contracts and into content driven contracts. The "New P Conference" gave a grouping of schools that averaged about 55-60,000 in attendance and which had a mean of gross revenue closer to 70,000 million. Now that means that some of them earned in the 90's and some of them in the 50's.

You will notice that I didn't include Tulane. Why? They averaged about 19,000 in attendance and the total gross revenue for the athletic department was under 50 million. Not to mention that they don't offer the requisite sports.

Like I said this is for fun, but try a little bit to make it more realistic.

I placed Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse in the Big 10. Each of them delivers markets, 4 of them are AAU. Syracuse lost the status about 5 years ago. Notre Dame already has a Big 10 clearance should they ever want in. All of them enhance the Big 10 either athletically, academically, or by improving their content and markets.

I placed Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State and T.C.U. in the SEC. Most of those do the same. T.C.U. is the weakest link, but they do give the SEC a presence in DFW. Arguably Louisville could be in that slot due to overall athletic strength and better attendance.

I moved the bulk of the Big 12 to the PAC where as a unit they do the most good. The Big 10 would prefer the ACC schools to those.

Getting promoted to the P ranks was the plumb for the others. If they are in a conference of their own with the likes of Baylor, Wake Forest, and West Virginia then so be it.

I have nothing against WVU but if the SEC has Virginia Tech then we don't need them. Texas Tech could help us deliver the DFW area in concert with the Aggies, but Tech is the obvious bridge to the West for the rest of the Big 12.

So think about these things and see what you can come up with.

I'm very well aware of the points you brought up and they are valid when they are making real decisions. I was just having fun with it.

Fair enough.

When I said that it worked I meant for me since Louisville wasn't stuck in some best of the rest national conference pretending to be a power conference, lol. As for 80, Louisville came up through the G5 ranks & know how tough it can be so I'm personally all for inclusion over separation.

I thought my original 72 P2 wasn't bad. I gave the SEC the entire ACC along with Oklahoma, ND & only 3 G5's. Going to a P2 of 36 each it's really difficult meeting the SEC high standards, they're only a few brands to go around therefore my focus was on regional divisions.

Lenville, it's okay. Your break down wasn't bad. And it is all wild speculative discussion anyway.

66 is max.
60 would be better.

(03-15-2017 08:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  66 is max.
60 would be better.

We agree on 60 being best.

(03-15-2017 08:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 05:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:08 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 01:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  No, it doesn't work at all for the SEC. We earned 40.1 million per school this year. Let that sink in for a moment. Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor simply don't work for us. Neither do South Florida, East Carolina or Tulane.

You need to check and see three things about each of these schools.
1. Do they average 77,000 per home game? That's what the SEC averages and at ticket costs that start at $75 each and go up and which also require a requisite donation of $600.00 per season ticket book for the opportunity to purchase them.

2. Did the athletic department average 92 million in gross revenue. That's the mean of the SEC schools.

3. Do they offer the 17 required sports of the SEC?

You've added six schools to the SEC that each would drag the overall revenue pie down. In other words it's not happening! If you want to add an East Carolina then you are going to need an Oklahoma quality addition so that the pair still meet the means of the conference statistics. Together they need to average 92 million in gross revenue. Together they need to average 77,000 in attendance.

With the groupings I gave earlier all of those moving to the SEC, PAC, or Big 10 would be moving up the pay ladder, but entering leagues where the means were at least equal. Remember as we move away from cable we move away from market weighted contracts and into content driven contracts. The "New P Conference" gave a grouping of schools that averaged about 55-60,000 in attendance and which had a mean of gross revenue closer to 70,000 million. Now that means that some of them earned in the 90's and some of them in the 50's.

You will notice that I didn't include Tulane. Why? They averaged about 19,000 in attendance and the total gross revenue for the athletic department was under 50 million. Not to mention that they don't offer the requisite sports.

Like I said this is for fun, but try a little bit to make it more realistic.

I placed Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse in the Big 10. Each of them delivers markets, 4 of them are AAU. Syracuse lost the status about 5 years ago. Notre Dame already has a Big 10 clearance should they ever want in. All of them enhance the Big 10 either athletically, academically, or by improving their content and markets.

I placed Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State and T.C.U. in the SEC. Most of those do the same. T.C.U. is the weakest link, but they do give the SEC a presence in DFW. Arguably Louisville could be in that slot due to overall athletic strength and better attendance.

I moved the bulk of the Big 12 to the PAC where as a unit they do the most good. The Big 10 would prefer the ACC schools to those.

Getting promoted to the P ranks was the plumb for the others. If they are in a conference of their own with the likes of Baylor, Wake Forest, and West Virginia then so be it.

I have nothing against WVU but if the SEC has Virginia Tech then we don't need them. Texas Tech could help us deliver the DFW area in concert with the Aggies, but Tech is the obvious bridge to the West for the rest of the Big 12.

So think about these things and see what you can come up with.

I'm very well aware of the points you brought up and they are valid when they are making real decisions. I was just having fun with it.

Fair enough.

When I said that it worked I meant for me since Louisville wasn't stuck in some best of the rest national conference pretending to be a power conference, lol. As for 80, Louisville came up through the G5 ranks & know how tough it can be so I'm personally all for inclusion over separation.

I thought my original 72 P2 wasn't bad. I gave the SEC the entire ACC along with Oklahoma, ND & only 3 G5's. Going to a P2 of 36 each it's really difficult meeting the SEC high standards, they're only a few brands to go around therefore my focus was on regional divisions.

Lenville, it's okay. Your break down wasn't bad. And it is all wild speculative discussion anyway.

I think the thread title says it all, it's just for fun.

(03-15-2017 09:00 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 08:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 05:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:08 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I'm very well aware of the points you brought up and they are valid when they are making real decisions. I was just having fun with it.

Fair enough.

When I said that it worked I meant for me since Louisville wasn't stuck in some best of the rest national conference pretending to be a power conference, lol. As for 80, Louisville came up through the G5 ranks & know how tough it can be so I'm personally all for inclusion over separation.

I thought my original 72 P2 wasn't bad. I gave the SEC the entire ACC along with Oklahoma, ND & only 3 G5's. Going to a P2 of 36 each it's really difficult meeting the SEC high standards, they're only a few brands to go around therefore my focus was on regional divisions.

Lenville, it's okay. Your break down wasn't bad. And it is all wild speculative discussion anyway.

I think the thread title says it all, it's just for fun.

You know if we wanted to balance college football we would create this conference:

South: Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Oklahoma
North: Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State
East: Clemson, Florida State, Florida, Miami
West: Oregon, U.S.C., Texas, Stanford

We then would create three other conferences and it would become a champs only format. That way no matter how much ESPN and FOX slobber over the first conference at least three new faces would be in the playoffs every year.

(03-15-2017 09:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:00 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 08:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 05:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Fair enough.

When I said that it worked I meant for me since Louisville wasn't stuck in some best of the rest national conference pretending to be a power conference, lol. As for 80, Louisville came up through the G5 ranks & know how tough it can be so I'm personally all for inclusion over separation.

I thought my original 72 P2 wasn't bad. I gave the SEC the entire ACC along with Oklahoma, ND & only 3 G5's. Going to a P2 of 36 each it's really difficult meeting the SEC high standards, they're only a few brands to go around therefore my focus was on regional divisions.

Lenville, it's okay. Your break down wasn't bad. And it is all wild speculative discussion anyway.

I think the thread title says it all, it's just for fun.

You know if we wanted to balance college football we would create this conference:

South: Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Oklahoma
North: Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State
East: Clemson, Florida State, Florida, Miami
West: Oregon, U.S.C., Texas, Stanford

We then would create three other conferences and it would become a champs only format. That way no matter how much ESPN and FOX slobber over the first conference at least three new faces would be in the playoffs every year.

That conference would have worked great in the '60s and 70's. Now it wouldn't stand a chance. The genie is out of the bottle and lots of folks have gotten a taste of seeing "their" team on TV.
Plus some of your teams are "off" Auburn? really! No Georgia or Tennessee.....where are the Irish....Oregon is a flash in the pan. Come on JR, you can do a lot better than that.
You would have to agree that there are too many games on TV. It's hurting the game. Reducing the number of games not teams involved would help football recover at the gate.

(03-17-2017 06:57 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 09:00 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 08:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 05:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  When I said that it worked I meant for me since Louisville wasn't stuck in some best of the rest national conference pretending to be a power conference, lol. As for 80, Louisville came up through the G5 ranks & know how tough it can be so I'm personally all for inclusion over separation.

I thought my original 72 P2 wasn't bad. I gave the SEC the entire ACC along with Oklahoma, ND & only 3 G5's. Going to a P2 of 36 each it's really difficult meeting the SEC high standards, they're only a few brands to go around therefore my focus was on regional divisions.

Lenville, it's okay. Your break down wasn't bad. And it is all wild speculative discussion anyway.

I think the thread title says it all, it's just for fun.

You know if we wanted to balance college football we would create this conference:

South: Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Oklahoma
North: Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State
East: Clemson, Florida State, Florida, Miami
West: Oregon, U.S.C., Texas, Stanford

We then would create three other conferences and it would become a champs only format. That way no matter how much ESPN and FOX slobber over the first conference at least three new faces would be in the playoffs every year.

That conference would have worked great in the '60s and 70's. Now it wouldn't stand a chance. The genie is out of the bottle and lots of folks have gotten a taste of seeing "their" team on TV.
Plus some of your teams are "off" Auburn? really! No Georgia or Tennessee.....where are the Irish....Oregon is a flash in the pan. Come on JR, you can do a lot better than that.
You would have to agree that there are too many games on TV. It's hurting the game. Reducing the number of games not teams involved would help football recover at the gate.

The Irish? When have they done anything lately? Oh yeah, you mean the Irish team that Alabama wiped out? Auburn has been to the final game twice in the last 6 years while winning it all once. Georgia made it when? 1980! Tennessee? crickets.........

Admittedly Oregon is a flash in the pan but then USC isn't what it once was either and I had to come up with 4 from the West. Maybe Washington gets that spot now?

But, you did make one point that is true. Having virtually all of the P5 games on somewhere every Saturday has hurt everyone's gate. Now even the homecoming rent-a-kill games are on the SECN. There is no scarcity of getting to see your team, and therefore no urgency to buy a ticket.