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Your Typical BS During the Slow Times Thread: What The P4 Should Look Like
At 72 schools

Big 10

Army, Connecticut, Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue

Air Force, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

ACC

Boston College, Cincinnati, Navy, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Baylor, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Texas

SEC

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, N.C. State, West Virginia

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

PAC

Brigham Young, Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Arizona, Arizona State, (Nevada or New Mexico), U.C.L.A., U.S.C., Utah

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

At 64 schools

It's been worked to death!

At 60 schools

Big 10:

Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

ACC:

Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest

SEC:

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

PAC:

Colorado, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, California, U.C.L.A., U.S.C.


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The bigger, the better!

SEC:

Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri

Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Arkansas

Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky

Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, NC State, Virginia Tech


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Carry this folly to its illogical extreme and whittle the competition down to two super conferences, each consisting of only one team.

B1G: Ohio State
SEC: Alabama

They can play one another thirteen times annually, twelve times during the regular season, and once for the national championship. And, of course, everyone across this broad land will tune in to watch every game, because...

...nobody else matters.
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There should not be a P4 or even a P5.
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(03-11-2017 05:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  There should not be a P4 or even a P5.

Bigger is coming. Even Slive said so last week.
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(03-11-2017 05:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 05:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  There should not be a P4 or even a P5.

Bigger is coming. Even Slive said so last week.


Still the best option for two leagues

SEC/PAC/Big 12

Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Alabama, Mississippi, Miss. State and West Virginia

Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, LSU, Colorado, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah


ACC/B1G

Purdue, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn State, Pitt, Louisville, Ohio State Michigan, Michigan State

Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri

Maryland, UVa, Va. Tech, Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Dook, Clemson, Ga. Tech, Florida State, and Miami
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RE: Your Typical BS During the Slow Times Thread: What The P4 Should Look Like
(03-11-2017 05:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 05:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  There should not be a P4 or even a P5.

Bigger is coming. Even Slive said so last week.

The Bigger something gets. The more egos and problems that are created. The money will soon hit the ceiling. If it hasn't already. ESPN isn't getting all that free money it once got from subscribers. These giant conferences are built on that money. If it declines, or platueas. Then what? You don't think that Fox wouldn't try to find a way to get a share of the market? Fox might not be able to afford as much as ESPN. But I bet they could throw enough money at a few programs to keep this consolidation from happening.
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(03-11-2017 10:26 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 05:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 05:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  There should not be a P4 or even a P5.

Bigger is coming. Even Slive said so last week.

The Bigger something gets. The more egos and problems that are created. The money will soon hit the ceiling. If it hasn't already. ESPN isn't getting all that free money it once got from subscribers. These giant conferences are built on that money. If it declines, or platueas. Then what? You don't think that Fox wouldn't try to find a way to get a share of the market? Fox might not be able to afford as much as ESPN. But I bet they could throw enough money at a few programs to keep this consolidation from happening.

FOX makes money the same way ESPN does. The ceiling will hit for both simultaneously whenever it happens.

Anyway, FOX wouldn't necessarily be interested in stopping greater consolidation. They're in competition with ESPN so they're just trying to beat out other networks for content. FOX will want the properties in their corner to grow just as ESPN will want the properties in their corner to grow.

That's one of the reasons the PAC and B1G likely align with each other while the ACC and SEC likely align with each other.
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RE: Your Typical BS During the Slow Times Thread: What The P4 Should Look Like
(03-11-2017 10:26 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 05:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 05:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  There should not be a P4 or even a P5.

Bigger is coming. Even Slive said so last week.

The Bigger something gets. The more egos and problems that are created. The money will soon hit the ceiling. If it hasn't already. ESPN isn't getting all that free money it once got from subscribers. These giant conferences are built on that money. If it declines, or platueas. Then what? You don't think that Fox wouldn't try to find a way to get a share of the market? Fox might not be able to afford as much as ESPN. But I bet they could throw enough money at a few programs to keep this consolidation from happening.

The more schools that are in a conference:
1. The more regional divisions become cutting travel costs.
2. The fewer number of conference offices, officials, staff, and expenses there are and the more schools you have to share the expenses you do have the lower the costs.
3. Scheduling all sports becomes simpler.
4. The more games the fans will have that they can attend because of driving distances.
5. The more likely it is that we keep all of our rivals, or regain them.
6. The greater bargaining position the schools will be in, especially we have peaked in revenue offered.

We simply aren't returning to the days of 10 school conferences. This is a circling of the wagons because the financial savages are attacking on all fronts.
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RE: Your Typical BS During the Slow Times Thread: What The P4 Should Look Like
That 11 team division: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Miss. State, and Vanderbilt looks pretty good especially if you don't have to play anyone else in your conference in another divsion unless you want to.
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My worry is losing the bowl games. They serve a purpose and get me through the holidays. Bowl games are a reward to the kids who have busted their butts since spring time. Lesser bowls are treasured by the lesser schools as much as the Rose Bowl is to Ohio State. Ever see the players after wining a lesser bowl? Excitement is priceless. Call me a traditionalist.
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(03-12-2017 01:30 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  My worry is losing the bowl games. They serve a purpose and get me through the holidays. Bowl games are a reward to the kids who have busted their butts since spring time. Lesser bowls are treasured by the lesser schools as much as the Rose Bowl is to Ohio State. Ever see the players after wining a lesser bowl? Excitement is priceless. Call me a traditionalist.

I don't think the bowls are going away. They're making too much money for somebody. We've seen 5-7 teams going now and I think that probably becomes more common in the future.
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(03-10-2017 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  At 72 schools

Big 10

Army, Connecticut, Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue

Air Force, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

ACC

Boston College, Cincinnati, Navy, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Baylor, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Texas

SEC

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, N.C. State, West Virginia

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

PAC

Brigham Young, Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Arizona, Arizona State, (Nevada or New Mexico), U.C.L.A., U.S.C., Utah

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

At 64 schools

It's been worked to death!

At 60 schools

Big 10:

Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

ACC:

Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest

SEC:

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

PAC:

Colorado, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, California, U.C.L.A., U.S.C.


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Or, we could wait a few years and do something like this once the Big 10 and SEC payouts are even more significant:

Big 10:
East: Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse
South: Duke, North Carolina, Maryland, Pittsburgh, Virginia
North: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

SEC:
East: Clemson, Kentucky, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech
Central: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M, T.C.U.

PAC:
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State
West: California, Cal Los Angeles, Hawaii, Southern Cal, Stanford
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech
East: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

New P4:
North: Army, Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville
East: East Carolina, Memphis, Navy, Wake Forest, West Virginia
South: Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Miami, South Florida
West: Air Force, Boise State, B.Y.U., Colorado State, Nevada or New Mexico

Now you have 4 conferences of 20. Champs only playoff. It is inclusive of all of the schools in the present G5 most likely to make the bump up.

The SEC and Big and PAC all grow with schools that fit them, expand their markets without losing the regional feel, and which fit very nicely into regional divisions.

The new conference is grouped nicely as well.
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amazing I like that
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I'll pass
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(03-14-2017 05:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Or, we could wait a few years and do something like this once the Big 10 and SEC payouts are even more significant:

Big 10:
East: Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse
South: Duke, North Carolina, Maryland, Pittsburgh, Virginia
North: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

SEC:
East: Clemson, Kentucky, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech
Central: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M, T.C.U.

PAC:
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State
West: California, Cal Los Angeles, Hawaii, Southern Cal, Stanford
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech
East: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

New P4:
North: Army, Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville
East: East Carolina, Memphis, Navy, Wake Forest, West Virginia
South: Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Miami, South Florida
West: Air Force, Boise State, B.Y.U., Colorado State, Nevada or New Mexico

Now you have 4 conferences of 20. Champs only playoff. It is inclusive of all of the schools in the present G5 most likely to make the bump up.

The SEC and Big and PAC all grow with schools that fit them, expand their markets without losing the regional feel, and which fit very nicely into regional divisions.

The new conference is grouped nicely as well.

How about this?

SEC:

West: Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State
Central: LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn
South: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, Louisville

B1G:

West: Colorado State, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern
Central: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State
North: Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Rutgers
East: Notre Dame, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Miami

PAC:

North: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, California, Stanford
South: UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado
East: New Mexico, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, Rice, Tulane
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Much better.
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Yeah, East Carolina is going to make the cut
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A Power 2 of 72 teams?

SEC

LSU, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Miss State, TCU

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Miami, Georgia, GT, Clemson, SC

ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC, Louisville, Kentucky, Houston, Cincinnati

Tennessee, NC, Duke, NC State, WF, Virginia, VT, Tulane, Vanderbilt

B1G

Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, UCONN

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St, Illinois, Northwestern

Arizona, Arizona St, Texas, TT, Baylor, Utah, Colorado, SMU, BYU

UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Wash St, San Diego State

This includes 7 G5's & 5 of the top 6 top revenue producing G5's (UCONN, BYU, SMU, Tulane & Houston). SD State fits in well with that California, Oregon & Washington division. Cincinnati is a good all around addition & gives the large state of Ohio a second power team.

I would absolutely consider moving Houston into SMU spot & then placing either UCF, Temple, USF or ECU into Houston spot. I took SMU because they are the 3rd highest revenue producing G5 & has potential but the state of Texas maybe overly represented. Pennsylvania, Florida & North Carolina are also well represented however.
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(03-15-2017 11:26 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A Power 2 of 72 teams?

SEC

LSU, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Miss State, TCU

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Miami, Georgia, GT, Clemson, SC

ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC, Louisville, Kentucky, Houston, Cincinnati

Tennessee, NC, Duke, NC State, WF, Virginia, VT, Tulane, Vanderbilt

B1G

Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers, UCONN

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St, Illinois, Northwestern

Arizona, Arizona St, Texas, TT, Baylor, Utah, Colorado, SMU, BYU

UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Wash St, San Diego State

This includes 7 G5's & 5 of the top 6 top revenue producing G5's (UCONN, BYU, SMU, Tulane & Houston). SD State fits in well with that California, Oregon & Washington division. Cincinnati is a good all around addition & gives the large state of Ohio a second power team.

I would absolutely consider moving Houston into SMU spot & then placing either UCF, Temple, USF or ECU into Houston spot. I took SMU because they are the 3rd highest revenue producing G5 & has potential but the state of Texas maybe overly represented. Pennsylvania, Florida & North Carolina are also well represented however.

If you're doing 72, I'd use the current power schools (65) + BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, San Diego St, Tulane, Temple. For me, USF/UCF are close behind. For 80, I'd have UCF and USF along with Memphis, UNLV, Colorado St, East Carolina, Boise St, and New Mexico behind them. I think markets, competitiveness, and public draw are important. The money will come if a schools is deemed a power school. The military schools are always welcome for me.

With these 80, I'd consider 4 conferences of 20:

PAC:
North - Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Boise St
West - California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, San Diego St
South - Arizona, Arizona St, UNLV, Utah, BYU
East - Colorado, Colorado St, New Mexico, Houston, TCU

SEC:
West - Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Baylor
South - Texas A&M, LSU, Tulane, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East - Florida, South Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, East Carolina

B1G:
South - Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St
West - Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois
Central - Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St
East - Rutgers, Maryland, Connecticut, Penn St, Ohio St

ACC:
South - Miami, Florida St, Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Middle - North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia
West - Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
North - Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Boston College
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