I'm just so glad to see so many people, corporations, and organizations "coming out" (pun intended) to support the gay community against intolerant, ignorant, and bigoted people. this never would have happened a few years ago, and the change in culture in this country is remarkable!

(04-01-2015 09:27 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 06:32 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Wow and wow.

I doubt our R gov will do that but I wouldn't be surprised if our school president announces the same thing.

Why?

Ball State had nothing to do with the measure passed. In fact, President Ferguson came out against the measure.

What gain is there to boycotting matches and games if the only people you are hurting are coaches (who likely don't support the measure) and student athletes (many of whom aren't even from Indiana)?

Because its an easy publicity bump/stunt that goes with the popular opinion of the regional masses. Its an easy political/publicity move but I am not sure that our president will do this because it may PO our current R Gov who just proposed a 31% cut to all state university funding...and we really need to reduce that proposed decrease by any amount possible.


Note: I have not read the law that has caused this issue and I am not making any judgement on it either way because I am not well enough informed about what has actually happened.

(04-02-2015 06:45 AM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 04:58 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:06 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Throw Buffalo out of the MAC if they can't travel.

P.S. BSU men's basketball isn't very good, anyway.

That's cute, Eastern Michigan football fan joking about voting BSU out.

Mostly a joke, but EMU FB and BSU men's hoops have a lot of room for improvement.

(04-02-2015 09:14 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 09:27 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 06:32 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Wow and wow.

I doubt our R gov will do that but I wouldn't be surprised if our school president announces the same thing.

Why?

Ball State had nothing to do with the measure passed. In fact, President Ferguson came out against the measure.

What gain is there to boycotting matches and games if the only people you are hurting are coaches (who likely don't support the measure) and student athletes (many of whom aren't even from Indiana)?

Because its an easy publicity bump/stunt that goes with the popular opinion of the regional masses. Its an easy political/publicity move but I am not sure that our president will do this because it may PO our current R Gov who just proposed a 31% cut to all state university funding...and we really need to reduce that proposed decrease by any amount possible.


Note: I have not read the law that has caused this issue and I am not making any judgement on it either way because I am not well enough informed about what has actually happened.

Curious. You are apparently the only person on the thread who has not actually read the entire piece of legislation. I am sure no one here would be offering opinions on based on second hand information and other people's opinions. That would be stupid.

(04-02-2015 09:57 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:14 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 09:27 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 06:32 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Wow and wow.

I doubt our R gov will do that but I wouldn't be surprised if our school president announces the same thing.

Why?

Ball State had nothing to do with the measure passed. In fact, President Ferguson came out against the measure.

What gain is there to boycotting matches and games if the only people you are hurting are coaches (who likely don't support the measure) and student athletes (many of whom aren't even from Indiana)?

Because its an easy publicity bump/stunt that goes with the popular opinion of the regional masses. Its an easy political/publicity move but I am not sure that our president will do this because it may PO our current R Gov who just proposed a 31% cut to all state university funding...and we really need to reduce that proposed decrease by any amount possible.


Note: I have not read the law that has caused this issue and I am not making any judgement on it either way because I am not well enough informed about what has actually happened.

Curious. You are apparently the only person on the thread who has not actually read the entire piece of legislation. I am sure no one here would be offering opinions on based on second hand information and other people's opinions. That would be stupid.

You're being sarcastic but I've read a LOT of headlines and comments on the Internet as have others, so don't think we're not all pretty educated on this.

(04-02-2015 10:28 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:57 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:14 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 09:27 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 06:32 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Wow and wow.

I doubt our R gov will do that but I wouldn't be surprised if our school president announces the same thing.

Why?

Ball State had nothing to do with the measure passed. In fact, President Ferguson came out against the measure.

What gain is there to boycotting matches and games if the only people you are hurting are coaches (who likely don't support the measure) and student athletes (many of whom aren't even from Indiana)?

Because its an easy publicity bump/stunt that goes with the popular opinion of the regional masses. Its an easy political/publicity move but I am not sure that our president will do this because it may PO our current R Gov who just proposed a 31% cut to all state university funding...and we really need to reduce that proposed decrease by any amount possible.


Note: I have not read the law that has caused this issue and I am not making any judgement on it either way because I am not well enough informed about what has actually happened.

Curious. You are apparently the only person on the thread who has not actually read the entire piece of legislation. I am sure no one here would be offering opinions on based on second hand information and other people's opinions. That would be stupid.

You're being sarcastic but I've read a LOT of headlines and comments on the Internet as have others, so don't think we're not all pretty educated on this.

OK, I apologize. As long as what you read is officially on the internet, I guess there's no problem.

Kind of a silly "grandstand" stunt by NY.

(04-02-2015 01:12 PM)exCincy Kid1 Wrote:  Kind of a silly "grandstand" stunt by NY.

Not sure I agree.

I'd rather have us solve our political disputes with boycotts, etc. etc. then in the streets.

I'm trying to remember the last instance where so many stakeholders (e.g., corporations, customers [states in this case doing business as a customer], etc.) express themselves with such a single voice.

And the politicians heard the message loud and clear.

(04-02-2015 01:12 PM)exCincy Kid1 Wrote:  Kind of a silly "grandstand" stunt by NY.

And by Seattle, and everyone else piling on (including the MAC). But it is what it is.

(04-01-2015 07:38 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  This is all totally foolish, nothing but liberal crap being shoved down our throats. The people protesting are the intolerant ones because they refuse to accept any other opinion other than theirs to be correct.

Let's take a look at two scenarios...if a black person owns a bakery and a fool walks in to order white cupcakes with red letters saying KKK, that owner has every right to refuse his business. In the same situation, if a very religious person owns a bakery and a homosexual couple walks in to be a pie and a wedding cake for themselves, that person too has the same right to say I'll sell you pie but cannot sell you a wedding cake due to my beliefs. In both situations those customers can take their business elsewhere, no harm, no foul.

This entire story has turned insane due to the intolerance of liberals having any sense of reason.

Now another liberal governor jumps into it trying to fire up his base as the fool in the White House is trying to make a horrible deal with Iran that actually will affect lives in the Middle East and one day here in America and yet this Indiana thing is what is making news.

Geez, what ever happened to quality journalism versus the liberal tripe we have now?

Don't know that I've ever seen "intolerant" used so frequently in an opinion where name calling, finger pointing and unbased conjecture appear to be the basis of the point.

(04-02-2015 08:25 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  I'm just so glad to see so many people, corporations, and organizations "coming out" (pun intended) to support the gay community against intolerant, ignorant, and bigoted people. this never would have happened a few years ago, and the change in culture in this country is remarkable!

If someone has a religious reason not to partake in a "wedding" (baker, florist, etc) then they should not be forced into service or threatened. Who really are the hateful, intolerant, bigoted people?

(04-02-2015 02:53 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  If someone has a religious reason not to partake in a "wedding" (baker, florist, etc) then they should not be forced into service or threatened. Who really are the hateful, intolerant, bigoted people?

(04-01-2015 07:38 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  This is all totally foolish, nothing but liberal crap being shoved down our throats. The people protesting are the intolerant ones because they refuse to accept any other opinion other than theirs to be correct.

Let's take a look at two scenarios...if a black person owns a bakery and a fool walks in to order white cupcakes with red letters saying KKK, that owner has every right to refuse his business. In the same situation, if a very religious person owns a bakery and a homosexual couple walks in to be a pie and a wedding cake for themselves, that person too has the same right to say I'll sell you pie but cannot sell you a wedding cake due to my beliefs. In both situations those customers can take their business elsewhere, no harm, no foul.

This entire story has turned insane due to the intolerance of liberals having any sense of reason.

Now another liberal governor jumps into it trying to fire up his base as the fool in the White House is trying to make a horrible deal with Iran that actually will affect lives in the Middle East and one day here in America and yet this Indiana thing is what is making news.

Geez, what ever happened to quality journalism versus the liberal tripe we have now?

well, not wanting to sell a product to someone that celebrates the murder, genocide and degradation of your people is a bit different than not wanting to sell anything to somebody who seems to have an identity you dislike, but I'm sure this is just some liberal spin on my part.

(04-02-2015 02:53 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 08:25 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  I'm just so glad to see so many people, corporations, and organizations "coming out" (pun intended) to support the gay community against intolerant, ignorant, and bigoted people. this never would have happened a few years ago, and the change in culture in this country is remarkable!

If someone has a religious reason not to partake in a "wedding" (baker, florist, etc) then they should not be forced into service or threatened. Who really are the hateful, intolerant, bigoted people?

The people hiding bigotry behind the guise of religion. Selective bigotry, at that.

(04-02-2015 02:38 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 07:38 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  This is all totally foolish, nothing but liberal crap being shoved down our throats. The people protesting are the intolerant ones because they refuse to accept any other opinion other than theirs to be correct.

Let's take a look at two scenarios...if a black person owns a bakery and a fool walks in to order white cupcakes with red letters saying KKK, that owner has every right to refuse his business. In the same situation, if a very religious person owns a bakery and a homosexual couple walks in to be a pie and a wedding cake for themselves, that person too has the same right to say I'll sell you pie but cannot sell you a wedding cake due to my beliefs. In both situations those customers can take their business elsewhere, no harm, no foul.

This entire story has turned insane due to the intolerance of liberals having any sense of reason.

Now another liberal governor jumps into it trying to fire up his base as the fool in the White House is trying to make a horrible deal with Iran that actually will affect lives in the Middle East and one day here in America and yet this Indiana thing is what is making news.

Geez, what ever happened to quality journalism versus the liberal tripe we have now?

Don't know that I've ever seen "intolerant" used so frequently in an opinion where name calling, finger pointing and unbased conjecture appear to be the basis of the point.

Or comparing homosexuals to the KKK.

(04-02-2015 02:53 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 08:25 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  I'm just so glad to see so many people, corporations, and organizations "coming out" (pun intended) to support the gay community against intolerant, ignorant, and bigoted people. this never would have happened a few years ago, and the change in culture in this country is remarkable!

If someone has a religious reason not to partake in a "wedding" (baker, florist, etc) then they should not be forced into service or threatened. Who really are the hateful, intolerant, bigoted people?

explain to me what a baker has to do differently when baking a cake for a gay wedding that they wouldn't have to do for a straight wedding? Do you think they're going to be required to bake the cake while wearing ass-less chaps and listening to "Its Raining Men" or something?


Maybe Key and Peele can educate you on the differences between a gay and straight wedding better than I can-

(04-02-2015 01:47 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:12 PM)exCincy Kid1 Wrote:  Kind of a silly "grandstand" stunt by NY.

And by Seattle, and everyone else piling on (including the MAC). But it is what it is.

So when YOU just don't happen to like business expressing their rights to disagree and protest THEN it's piling on?

Got it.

For the love of God people...it's a freaking cake! Baking one doesn't endorse the behavior of the people who bought and ate it. Nor does it endorse the occasion it was made for.

Where does it stop? When does the scorecard for the level of "sin" get hashed out?

As a Christian, this type of stuff just embarrasses me to no end. It's really simple...love God and love others. End of discussion.

(04-02-2015 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  For the love of God people...it's a freaking cake! Baking one doesn't endorse the behavior of the people who bought and ate it. Nor does it endorse the occasion it was made for.

Where does it stop? When does the scorecard for the level of "sin" get hashed out?

As a Christian, this type of stuff just embarrasses me to no end. It's really simple...love God and love others. End of discussion.

i think for me and many others is that it is not about a cake, a pizza, or whatever product you can think of. It is having the choice, the freedom to decide who or what group you want to have a business relationship with. As a Christian I was taught not to judge and I do my best not to. I do not discriminate against anyone and welcome business from all. BUT in america one should have the right to chose with whom they want to conduct their business with period. The govt is not supposed to make that decision. Does not mean I agree or you agree but it is their right to conduct their business how they want to.

(04-02-2015 03:58 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  For the love of God people...it's a freaking cake! Baking one doesn't endorse the behavior of the people who bought and ate it. Nor does it endorse the occasion it was made for.

Where does it stop? When does the scorecard for the level of "sin" get hashed out?

As a Christian, this type of stuff just embarrasses me to no end. It's really simple...love God and love others. End of discussion.

i think for me and many others is that it is not about a cake, a pizza, or whatever product you can think of. It is having the choice, the freedom to decide who or what group you want to have a business relationship with. As a Christian I was taught not to judge and I do my best not to. I do not discriminate against anyone and welcome business from all. BUT in america one should have the right to chose with whom they want to conduct their business with period. The govt is not supposed to make that decision. Does not mean I agree or you agree but it is their right to conduct their business how they want to.

So you don't care if businesses turn away blacks? Or Christians?

It's a matter of civil rights. You have to set aside the religion aspect. Yes, I'm a Christian and I would never endorse homosexual behavior...and I would never consul anyone to have an abortion. But that does not mean that you can have laws that prohibit these behaviors extending to everyone. Our laws cannot be written to follow specifically the aspects of a religion either. We have to account for those who don't want to practice said religion...or want to practice another religion...or have no religion at all.