The list MUST start with BYU. If it doesnt then whomever is making the list is an idiot. Will they join...probably not but this is a "dream" scenario.

From there I go after:
1. Colorado St.
2. Boise St
3. Air Force
4. San Diego St.

CSU and BSU are the lynchpins. You get Boise to flip and the MWC loses serious value which would help flip CSU who is rumored to want to play more east coast schools in order to get better coverage. You get those two and Air Force will follow and San Diego St always wanted in and would come along in a heartbeat.

(03-06-2015 09:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The list MUST start with BYU. If it doesnt then whomever is making the list is an idiot. Will they join...probably not but this is a "dream" scenario.

From there I go after:
1. Colorado St.
2. Boise St
3. Air Force
4. San Diego St.

CSU and BSU are the lynchpins. You get Boise to flip and the MWC loses serious value which would help flip CSU who is rumored to want to play more east coast schools in order to get better coverage. You get those two and Air Force will follow and San Diego St always wanted in and would come along in a heartbeat.

"Idiot!!!", so you say.

Any selection would depend on the needs of the "Media/Network Provider" and not the conference it's self. The Media/Network Provider is paying for properties that expand their reach and thus add value for them. Until you realize that simple fact, well you get the picture.

(03-06-2015 10:07 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 09:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The list MUST start with BYU. If it doesnt then whomever is making the list is an idiot. Will they join...probably not but this is a "dream" scenario.

From there I go after:
1. Colorado St.
2. Boise St
3. Air Force
4. San Diego St.

CSU and BSU are the lynchpins. You get Boise to flip and the MWC loses serious value which would help flip CSU who is rumored to want to play more east coast schools in order to get better coverage. You get those two and Air Force will follow and San Diego St always wanted in and would come along in a heartbeat.

"Idiot!!!", so you say.

Any selection would depend on the needs of the "Media/Network Provider" and not the conference it's self. The Media/Network Provider is paying for properties that expand their reach and thus add value for them. Until you realize that simple fact, well you get the picture.

both of you said the same thing, he says byu is on top of the list...you say the tv providers are the ones that will be the ones to make up the list...

the truth is byu will be on top of their list with the largest fanbase left not in a p5 and national appeal (from religion)

Dream List Top 5 (BYU + 3 teams from MWC as a group)
1. BYU (No argument needed)
2. Boise St (Brand, nearby rival for BYU)
3. SDSU (Been here once, only left because Boise left, large market, recruiting)
4. Air Force (to offset Navy, can compete)
5. Colorado St (new stadium? growing fan base, new success on the field)

My Realistic Top 5 (More likely to happen)
1. BYU (AAC needs BYU, BYU needs AAC for LDS growth and bowl access)
2. UTSA (Completes the TX triangle, great fan support, recruiting)
3. NIU (Expanding stadium, could increase support, winning product, market access)
4. Charlotte/ODU (growing fan base, large market, nearby rival for ECU)
5. WKU (new market, growing fan base, can compete, bridge from Memphis to Cincy)

(03-06-2015 10:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:07 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 09:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The list MUST start with BYU. If it doesnt then whomever is making the list is an idiot. Will they join...probably not but this is a "dream" scenario.

From there I go after:
1. Colorado St.
2. Boise St
3. Air Force
4. San Diego St.

CSU and BSU are the lynchpins. You get Boise to flip and the MWC loses serious value which would help flip CSU who is rumored to want to play more east coast schools in order to get better coverage. You get those two and Air Force will follow and San Diego St always wanted in and would come along in a heartbeat.

"Idiot!!!", so you say.

Any selection would depend on the needs of the "Media/Network Provider" and not the conference it's self. The Media/Network Provider is paying for properties that expand their reach and thus add value for them. Until you realize that simple fact, well you get the picture.

both of you said the same thing, he says byu is on top of the list...you say the tv providers are the ones that will be the ones to make up the list...

the truth is byu will be on top of their list with the largest fanbase left not in a p5 and national appeal (from religion)

No, I said there is no list.

If the provider was Comcast, they would have little or not interest in BYU or Boise State. They would be building a conference that would garner the greatest number of viewers in as small an area as possible to hold down costs and maximize product saturation and profits. That Sir does not include BYU or Boise State.

(03-06-2015 10:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:07 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 09:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The list MUST start with BYU. If it doesnt then whomever is making the list is an idiot. Will they join...probably not but this is a "dream" scenario.

From there I go after:
1. Colorado St.
2. Boise St
3. Air Force
4. San Diego St.

CSU and BSU are the lynchpins. You get Boise to flip and the MWC loses serious value which would help flip CSU who is rumored to want to play more east coast schools in order to get better coverage. You get those two and Air Force will follow and San Diego St always wanted in and would come along in a heartbeat.

"Idiot!!!", so you say.

Any selection would depend on the needs of the "Media/Network Provider" and not the conference it's self. The Media/Network Provider is paying for properties that expand their reach and thus add value for them. Until you realize that simple fact, well you get the picture.

both of you said the same thing, he says byu is on top of the list...you say the tv providers are the ones that will be the ones to make up the list...

the truth is byu will be on top of their list with the largest fanbase left not in a p5 and national appeal (from religion)

Bingo. BYU is BY FAR the largest television draw left on the board. No question.
Anybody that questions my list needs to sit back and think about why those teams were contacted by the Big East in the first place... um, because the TV providers wanted them.

The Top 3 are BYU, Boise St and SDSU. Air Force has national appeal along with Navy...thats why Navy is in and the Big East asked Air Force...TWICE.

I like the four I listed because Air Force and CSU make a nice bridge going out west and also land two quality institutions which fit into the mold of what we already have. Add in SDSU and Boise and youve now landed good national appeal and a great market.

From there, you work out a scheduling arrangement with Army and BYU. Get them to sign up for 4-6 games per year with our conference.

the plus side for doing all of that... it crushes the MWC and makes the AAC the dominate #6 conference.

The Downside.... why would ESPN pay us more? They already have both conferences for cheap. No incentive for them to make us wealthier and hurt their other product. Thats why i have long said expansion wont happen.

(03-06-2015 10:20 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:07 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 09:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The list MUST start with BYU. If it doesnt then whomever is making the list is an idiot. Will they join...probably not but this is a "dream" scenario.

From there I go after:
1. Colorado St.
2. Boise St
3. Air Force
4. San Diego St.

CSU and BSU are the lynchpins. You get Boise to flip and the MWC loses serious value which would help flip CSU who is rumored to want to play more east coast schools in order to get better coverage. You get those two and Air Force will follow and San Diego St always wanted in and would come along in a heartbeat.

"Idiot!!!", so you say.

Any selection would depend on the needs of the "Media/Network Provider" and not the conference it's self. The Media/Network Provider is paying for properties that expand their reach and thus add value for them. Until you realize that simple fact, well you get the picture.

both of you said the same thing, he says byu is on top of the list...you say the tv providers are the ones that will be the ones to make up the list...

the truth is byu will be on top of their list with the largest fanbase left not in a p5 and national appeal (from religion)

No, I said there is no list.

If the provider was Comcast, they would have little or not interest in BYU or Boise State. They would be building a conference that would garner the greatest number of viewers in as small an area as possible to hold down costs and maximize product saturation and profits. That Sir does not include BYU or Boise State.

there are mormons EVERYWHERE!!!! if you think any provider, even comcast would pass up a national brand for a small localized conference and pay more money for it, youre blind ...tell who would comcast pick over byu (who has 60k attendance and averages 1.5 mil viewers on its games) im curious ??

a "competitve" army is the only bigger name out there and army isnt getting compettive for some years and thats if it ever comes

(03-06-2015 10:21 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Bingo. BYU is BY FAR the largest television draw left on the board. No question.
Anybody that questions my list needs to sit back and think about why those teams were contacted by the Big East in the first place... um, because the TV providers wanted them.

The Top 3 are BYU, Boise St and SDSU. Air Force has national appeal along with Navy...thats why Navy is in and the Big East asked Air Force...TWICE.

I like the four I listed because Air Force and CSU make a nice bridge going out west and also land two quality institutions which fit into the mold of what we already have. Add in SDSU and Boise and youve now landed good national appeal and a great market.

From there, you work out a scheduling arrangement with Army and BYU. Get them to sign up for 4-6 games per year with our conference.

the plus side for doing all of that... it crushes the MWC and makes the AAC the dominate #6 conference.

The Downside.... why would ESPN pay us more? They already have both conferences for cheap. No incentive for them to make us wealthier and hurt their other product. Thats why i have long said expansion wont happen.

That's funny stuff. If they were so valuable then why are those properties combined in a conference making less dollars then the American, (BYU excluded of course). The fact is that the leaders of the American reached for a concept to grab all the remaining large media markets in the hopes of being rewarded with a huge media contract. That failed because they didn't account for the fact that those properties were already under contract to one true bidder.

I will stop because you are not grasping the concept and I doubt you ever will.

(03-06-2015 10:27 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:20 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:07 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 09:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The list MUST start with BYU. If it doesnt then whomever is making the list is an idiot. Will they join...probably not but this is a "dream" scenario.

From there I go after:
1. Colorado St.
2. Boise St
3. Air Force
4. San Diego St.

CSU and BSU are the lynchpins. You get Boise to flip and the MWC loses serious value which would help flip CSU who is rumored to want to play more east coast schools in order to get better coverage. You get those two and Air Force will follow and San Diego St always wanted in and would come along in a heartbeat.

"Idiot!!!", so you say.

Any selection would depend on the needs of the "Media/Network Provider" and not the conference it's self. The Media/Network Provider is paying for properties that expand their reach and thus add value for them. Until you realize that simple fact, well you get the picture.

both of you said the same thing, he says byu is on top of the list...you say the tv providers are the ones that will be the ones to make up the list...

the truth is byu will be on top of their list with the largest fanbase left not in a p5 and national appeal (from religion)

No, I said there is no list.

If the provider was Comcast, they would have little or not interest in BYU or Boise State. They would be building a conference that would garner the greatest number of viewers in as small an area as possible to hold down costs and maximize product saturation and profits. That Sir does not include BYU or Boise State.

there are mormons EVERYWHERE!!!! if you think any provider, even comcast would pass up a national brand for a small localized conference and pay more money for it, youre blind ...tell who would comcast pick over byu (who has 60k attendance and averages 1.5 mil viewers on its games) im curious ??

a "competitve" army is the only bigger name out there and army isnt getting compettive for some years and thats if it ever comes

Not so blind as you. How much is that HUGE NATIONAL BRAND making currently?????

(03-06-2015 10:29 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:27 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:20 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:07 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  "Idiot!!!", so you say.

Any selection would depend on the needs of the "Media/Network Provider" and not the conference it's self. The Media/Network Provider is paying for properties that expand their reach and thus add value for them. Until you realize that simple fact, well you get the picture.

both of you said the same thing, he says byu is on top of the list...you say the tv providers are the ones that will be the ones to make up the list...

the truth is byu will be on top of their list with the largest fanbase left not in a p5 and national appeal (from religion)

No, I said there is no list.

If the provider was Comcast, they would have little or not interest in BYU or Boise State. They would be building a conference that would garner the greatest number of viewers in as small an area as possible to hold down costs and maximize product saturation and profits. That Sir does not include BYU or Boise State.

there are mormons EVERYWHERE!!!! if you think any provider, even comcast would pass up a national brand for a small localized conference and pay more money for it, youre blind ...tell who would comcast pick over byu (who has 60k attendance and averages 1.5 mil viewers on its games) im curious ??

a "competitve" army is the only bigger name out there and army isnt getting compettive for some years and thats if it ever comes

Not so blind as you. How much is that HUGE NATIONAL BRAND making currently?????

as a single team....yes, indianna is a national brand in basketball if they went solo i doubt theyd get that much, stanford is a national brand in football i doubt they get that much...

conglomerates make more money thatsa fact, texas is by far the most valuable individual team, they as a tv network by themselves will only be making 15mil for its network, the big 10 as a conglomerate of teams will each make 30mil each for its tv network....

if you dont think byu is national brand you have no clue what you are talking about (there are obviously bigger brands ) but that doesnt take away from the fact that there are mormons EVERYWHERE nationally who tune into watch BYU..

(03-06-2015 10:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  as a single team....yes, indianna is a national brand in basketball if they went solo i doubt theyd get that much, stanford is a national brand in football i doubt they get that much...

conglomerates make more money thatsa fact, texas is by far the most valuable individual team, they as a tv network by themselves will only be making 15mil for its network, the big 10 as a conglomerate of teams will each make 30mil each for its tv network....

if you dont think byu is national brand you have no clue what you are talking about (there are obviously bigger brands ) but that doesnt take away from the fact that there are mormons EVERYWHERE nationally who tune into watch BYU..

Once again you're not paying attention. I never said they weren't a national brand. I just stated they were only as valuable as the Media Provider was willing to pay. They are worthless to a provider that already has their markets covered. That's the simple fact that everyone is missing. You need to have a Media Provider who needs not only the product but also the footprint that you or your group represents.

(03-06-2015 10:40 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  as a single team....yes, indianna is a national brand in basketball if they went solo i doubt theyd get that much, stanford is a national brand in football i doubt they get that much...

conglomerates make more money thatsa fact, texas is by far the most valuable individual team, they as a tv network by themselves will only be making 15mil for its network, the big 10 as a conglomerate of teams will each make 30mil each for its tv network....

if you dont think byu is national brand you have no clue what you are talking about (there are obviously bigger brands ) but that doesnt take away from the fact that there are mormons EVERYWHERE nationally who tune into watch BYU..

Once again you're not paying attention. I never said they weren't a national brand. I just stated they were only as valuable as the Media Provider was willing to pay. They are worthless to a provider that already has their markets covered. That's the simple fact that everyone is missing. You need to have a Media Provider who needs not only the product but also the footprint that you or your group represents.

ESPN owns the longhorn netwrok and also owns the SEC network, both networks oocupy the same space in texas and a re doing just fine

but i get the point you are trying to make if it wa steams of the same or similar value, if it was between two similar sized teams one in a new market one in a old, theyd take the one in the new....the point you are missing in no one left not in our conference is remotely comparable to byu as far as fan base size, nartional apeal nad just plain money worth

byu will be on top of everyones list if they had a choice becuase they are just by far the best of whats left and not media will turn down byu fro a team with 40% of the attendance 20% of the tv draw and 5% of te natioanal brand just for a new market..usm marshall, odu, rice or whoever you think would top that list

(03-06-2015 10:28 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:21 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Bingo. BYU is BY FAR the largest television draw left on the board. No question.
Anybody that questions my list needs to sit back and think about why those teams were contacted by the Big East in the first place... um, because the TV providers wanted them.

The Top 3 are BYU, Boise St and SDSU. Air Force has national appeal along with Navy...thats why Navy is in and the Big East asked Air Force...TWICE.

I like the four I listed because Air Force and CSU make a nice bridge going out west and also land two quality institutions which fit into the mold of what we already have. Add in SDSU and Boise and youve now landed good national appeal and a great market.

From there, you work out a scheduling arrangement with Army and BYU. Get them to sign up for 4-6 games per year with our conference.

the plus side for doing all of that... it crushes the MWC and makes the AAC the dominate #6 conference.

The Downside.... why would ESPN pay us more? They already have both conferences for cheap. No incentive for them to make us wealthier and hurt their other product. Thats why i have long said expansion wont happen.

That's funny stuff. If they were so valuable then why are those properties combined in a conference making less dollars then the American, (BYU excluded of course). The fact is that the leaders of the American reached for a concept to grab all the remaining large media markets in the hopes of being rewarded with a huge media contract. That failed because they didn't account for the fact that those properties were already under contract to one true bidder.

I will stop because you are not grasping the concept and I doubt you ever will.

Yep, apparently i dont get your idea but then again neither does ANY business minded person, especially Mike Aresco who just so happens to have been a TV exec for damn near 20 years... but of course you as an internet poster knows more about TV then a guy who worked for one of the worlds largest media companies.

(03-06-2015 10:40 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 10:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  as a single team....yes, indianna is a national brand in basketball if they went solo i doubt theyd get that much, stanford is a national brand in football i doubt they get that much...

conglomerates make more money thatsa fact, texas is by far the most valuable individual team, they as a tv network by themselves will only be making 15mil for its network, the big 10 as a conglomerate of teams will each make 30mil each for its tv network....

if you dont think byu is national brand you have no clue what you are talking about (there are obviously bigger brands ) but that doesnt take away from the fact that there are mormons EVERYWHERE nationally who tune into watch BYU..

Once again you're not paying attention. I never said they weren't a national brand. I just stated they were only as valuable as the Media Provider was willing to pay. They are worthless to a provider that already has their markets covered. That's the simple fact that everyone is missing. You need to have a Media Provider who needs not only the product but also the footprint that you or your group represents.

and you just proved you have no idea what your talking about. Media Providers dont necessarily care if the market is covered... they care if the product is covered.

LA has two basketball teams but both have TV contract... why? Their media market was already covered.

Why cover Auburn if you alreay have a tv contract for Alabama...your market is covered.

Simple fact is BYU is the biggest draw out there and every tv provider knows they have value....its why they get paid roughly 3 times what anybody in the American does.

(03-05-2015 08:09 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 03:11 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I would think Marshall has to be on that list. Marshall has a national brand. A good football program. Provides the conference with another school in the Temple, UConn general region. And a presence for the new 'cold weather' bowl (the AAC is reported to be in discussions with the New England Patriots.)

What are you talking about.Marshall lives on props,they cannot have them in the AAC.They would be a bottom feeder with no value at all.

That simply isnt true. We dont "live" on props. Some of you guys take this prop stuff to far. From what I'm hearing, we didnt take in any this year. Besides its not like ECU didnt take in some props while being in CUSA.


That being said, if and when you lose Cinci (I think it will be soon) I think the American would just bring in Army to even up the divisions in basketball and football. It makes to much sense not to go this route. Army is obviously a national brand and it would eliminate the issue of the Army/Navy game. Yes, you would drop another level in football strength but doing that would make the most sense to me. If you lose both Cinci and UConn....I think they not only bring in Army, they also take a chance on UMass. Buffalo of the Mac could be a possibility as well.

(03-06-2015 10:48 AM)pesik Wrote:  ESPN owns the longhorn netwrok and also owns the SEC network, both networks oocupy the same space in texas and a re doing just fine

but i get the point you are trying to make if it wa steams of the same or similar value, if it was between two similar sized teams one in a new market one in a old, theyd take the one in the new....the point you are missing in no one left not in our conference is remotely comparable to byu as far as fan base size, nartional apeal nad just plain money worth

byu will be on top of everyones list if they had a choice becuase they are just by far the best of whats left and not media will turn down byu fro a team with 40% of the attendance 20% of the tv draw and 5% of te natioanal brand just for a new market..usm marshall, odu, rice or whoever you think would top that list

Let me cover this for you in parts.

1. The LHN is losing money. That's right. It is losing value. ESPN has been able to move it into other markets but only by bundling it with some of their other ventures. That should be a red flag to anyone who was looking to invest.

2. Everyone keeps stating that BYU has this huge market. Well that may be but, a Media Partner will only pay for what it can verify and quantify. That is verify the existence and locate the regions on a map. Now I'm not saying they don't have value. I'm just saying that they have a harder time showing their true worth then many other schools as they are not localized. BYU may be at the top of many Conference lists but, they will be only on a Media Providers list if they can profit from them. That's the bottom line.

Understand that different Media Providers have different needs and wants. I can understand people saying how great BYU is from a fans perspective of the game. As far as being a media product, it's value fluctuates wildly from Provider to Provider.

(03-06-2015 11:04 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 08:09 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 03:11 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I would think Marshall has to be on that list. Marshall has a national brand. A good football program. Provides the conference with another school in the Temple, UConn general region. And a presence for the new 'cold weather' bowl (the AAC is reported to be in discussions with the New England Patriots.)

What are you talking about.Marshall lives on props,they cannot have them in the AAC.They would be a bottom feeder with no value at all.

That simply isnt true. We dont "live" on props. Some of you guys take this prop stuff to far. From what I'm hearing, we didnt take in any this year. Besides its not like ECU didnt take in some props while being in CUSA.


That being said, if and when you lose Cinci (I think it will be soon) I think the American would just bring in Army to even up the divisions in basketball and football. It makes to much sense not to go this route. Army is obviously a national brand and it would eliminate the issue of the Army/Navy game. Yes, you would drop another level in football strength but doing that would make the most sense to me. If you lose both Cinci and UConn....I think they not only bring in Army, they also take a chance on UMass. Buffalo of the Mac could be a possibility as well.

Marshall does not live on props? Marshall took no props this year? Cincy is leaving soon? What are you talking about? Army? Marshall is completely dependent on a long list of props and Doc's Florida connections. Take away the props and I just do not see how Marshall can compete. Once Doc leaves, Marshall struggles again in Conf USA like they did before Doc arrived. Marshall has carved out a nice niche for themselves with these two foundational planks. The problem is that one of those, Doc's Florida connections, leave when he does. This is why it imo, is short sighted for Marshall fans to keep harping on why Conf USA is better for them than the AAC. AAC provides tv coverage , money and leverage for the Herd that Conf USA simply cannot.

WHo cares if they take props... you could recruit Junior high drop outs and beat their schedule. Until Marshal beats anybody that we care about, then they arent a candidate... then add in that they play a distant number 2 in a tiny market and that seals their fate.

Want a fact... Marshall was never considered for entry into the Big East or AAC. EVER. That should tell you everything you need to know.

(03-06-2015 10:55 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  and you just proved you have no idea what your talking about. Media Providers dont necessarily care if the market is covered... they care if the product is covered.

LA has two basketball teams but both have TV contract... why? Their media market was already covered.

Why cover Auburn if you alreay have a tv contract for Alabama...your market is covered.

Simple fact is BYU is the biggest draw out there and every tv provider knows they have value....its why they get paid roughly 3 times what anybody in the American does.

Perhaps you should try to contain yourself.

As for having two teams in the same area, it's called "Market Saturation". Yes two teams can exist in the same market and can bolster the value of each other especially if they are rivals.

As for BYU's contractual numbers, I've seen nothing concrete. all the numbers are speculation at best. I doubt they reached the 9 million that ND was paid. So unless you can show me that they're making the equivalent of a Power Conference School, I'm not buying your argument.

(03-06-2015 11:11 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 11:04 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 08:09 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 03:11 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I would think Marshall has to be on that list. Marshall has a national brand. A good football program. Provides the conference with another school in the Temple, UConn general region. And a presence for the new 'cold weather' bowl (the AAC is reported to be in discussions with the New England Patriots.)

What are you talking about.Marshall lives on props,they cannot have them in the AAC.They would be a bottom feeder with no value at all.

That simply isnt true. We dont "live" on props. Some of you guys take this prop stuff to far. From what I'm hearing, we didnt take in any this year. Besides its not like ECU didnt take in some props while being in CUSA.


That being said, if and when you lose Cinci (I think it will be soon) I think the American would just bring in Army to even up the divisions in basketball and football. It makes to much sense not to go this route. Army is obviously a national brand and it would eliminate the issue of the Army/Navy game. Yes, you would drop another level in football strength but doing that would make the most sense to me. If you lose both Cinci and UConn....I think they not only bring in Army, they also take a chance on UMass. Buffalo of the Mac could be a possibility as well.

Marshall does not live on props? Marshall took no props this year? Cincy is leaving soon? What are you talking about? Army? Marshall is completely dependent on a long list of props and Doc's Florida connections. Take away the props and I just do not see how Marshall can compete. Once Doc leaves, Marshall struggles again in Conf USA like they did before Doc arrived. Marshall has carved out a nice niche for themselves with these two foundational planks. The problem is that one of those, Doc's Florida connections, leave when he does. This is why it imo, is short sighted for Marshall fans to keep harping on why Conf USA is better for them than the AAC. AAC provides tv coverage , money and leverage for the Herd that Conf USA simply cannot.

Simply not true. Totally false. Hell our best offensive players the last 3-4 years Cato/Shuler were guys Doc recruited that were fully qualified. Both were 2 star athletes out of high school. In recent years they have allowed up to 4 athletic nq's to enter school and try to get qualified. Some make it, some dont. And its not like we just recruit Florida. In recent years we've been getting a lot of players from Georgia/Virginia and Maryland. He recruits all over the place and has an eye for good talent.