(02-26-2015 05:26 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:04 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:28 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

Just a really deceptive post. First off Coach K's first 5 years were spent coaching at Army (which he got to the NIT in his third year). Secondly, it is oh so casually excluded that he took Duke to the National championship game in his 6th year there.

So, if JP takes Memphis to a National Championship game by his 6th year then I am sure the fan base will all be for keeping him... Oh wait...

Yeah, his 6th year at duke was his 11th year overall. And that's oh-so-casual math.

How many times had Army played in the post season before coach K got there? Compare that to our post season appearances before Pastner got here and get back to me.

Did you bother to look it up or are you blindly using this as an example to bash Pastner? People like you that just shoot garbage out of their rear end are the funniest. One last thing...

Link?

Do u really need a link to know that army has always sucked at basketball and he had no talent on those teams. Just let common sense take over there genius. Army is not a recruiting hot bed to say the least and coach K did well there with what he had. Comparing the first six seasons of the two is so stupid. If u give coach K the same players josh has at memphis his first six years I bet we would have more than second round blowouts to show for it. Just saying. At some point you are fighting a losing battle. Pastner can't coach. He used to b able to recruit til word got out he can't coach. Now that's even dried up. If it wasn't for the Lawsons where would we be next year? No reasonable person who understands the game of basketball believes he can coach. Great guy? Yes. Good Coach? No. U don't pay a guy top ten salary because he's a nice guy who does things the right way. He will prob leave at the first chance he gets the heat is getting to him it seems.

(02-27-2015 12:41 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:26 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:04 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:28 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  Just a really deceptive post. First off Coach K's first 5 years were spent coaching at Army (which he got to the NIT in his third year). Secondly, it is oh so casually excluded that he took Duke to the National championship game in his 6th year there.

So, if JP takes Memphis to a National Championship game by his 6th year then I am sure the fan base will all be for keeping him... Oh wait...

Yeah, his 6th year at duke was his 11th year overall. And that's oh-so-casual math.

How many times had Army played in the post season before coach K got there? Compare that to our post season appearances before Pastner got here and get back to me.

Did you bother to look it up or are you blindly using this as an example to bash Pastner? People like you that just shoot garbage out of their rear end are the funniest. One last thing...

Link?

Do u really need a link to know that army has always sucked at basketball and he had no talent on those teams. Just let common sense take over there genius. Army is not a recruiting hot bed to say the least and coach K did well there with what he had. Comparing the first six seasons of the two is so stupid. If u give coach K the same players josh has at memphis his first six years I bet we would have more than second round blowouts to show for it. Just saying. At some point you are fighting a losing battle. Pastner can't coach. He used to b able to recruit til word got out he can't coach. Now that's even dried up. If it wasn't for the Lawsons where would we be next year? No reasonable person who understands the game of basketball believes he can coach. Great guy? Yes. Good Coach? No. U don't pay a guy top ten salary because he's a nice guy who does things the right way. He will prob leave at the first chance he gets the heat is getting to him it seems.

^^^Great post.

(02-27-2015 12:37 PM)450bench Wrote:  All the stats and examples and numbers are great but they really don't matter anymore. They just don't.
It's a matter of time before Pastner is toast. Not if but when.
His tenure here gets more flawed with each passing day and the cloud around the program gets larger and darker. It's the elephant in the room and until it's gone all the negativity and questions will be beaten to a pulp.

This is it. We can argue all day long about this and that, but at the end of the day, perception is reality. The perception is that he underachieves. This is why attendance is in decline. The fanbase is losing faith. Unless something changes in a dramatic way, his days are numbered.

You never know what Pastner might do given time and the right circumstances. I don't think there is any doubt he eventually builds a powerhouse somewhere. It will be here if he is given time, but you know how it is, everybody wants it now, thats the nature of the game. It would be sad to dismiss him just as he gets ready to learn some valuable lessons and perhaps turn the corner for good. I don't know what to say or do if my opinion really counted, but I think devoid of a sure thing, I would ride the storm out. Experience is the best teacher.

(02-27-2015 12:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 09:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 08:15 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 07:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 07:48 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  No, he is simply attributing it to something different... But since it is not all hail the mighty and fearless leader I do not think anybody expects you to grasp that.

BealeStreet and people like you are very simple and easy to figure out. When the players don't improve it is because of Pastner. When they do improve it is for every reason under the sun, except because of Pastner.

Two players that go from 8.2 points per game to 30.4 points per game over the course of a season is nothing short of remarkable. Again, people like you are very easy to figure out. You will basically say anything, no matter how ridiculous, to support your singular reason for being on the board.

If you removed all the posts that bash Pastner, there would literally be a dozen guys on the board that would have no posts at all. They sound alike, they show up after guys like them leave and they say the exact same thing.

Well, that is a nice attempt, but I was actually defending Pastner just a game or two ago. And as usual, you make a completely false statement and when called out on it, you go stammering down some irrelevant path. As has been pointed out, if Pastner is owed the credit of improvement from year Spoons freshman to sophomore year, then is he equally responsible for his flat lining and regression in his junior and senior years?

He is responsible for everything, including consistent improvement from November 2009 to March 2014. Fact.

I would say that the 2012 team was the best team he put on the floor in his tenure.

2012 31-5 ranked #8 kenpom and 2013 #33 kempon 2014 #37 kenpom

Final RPI rankings
26 - 2014
21 -2013
16 - 2012

Both Metrics including your almighty RPI show a slide since the 2012 season...

Please explain how there was improvement from 2012...I'll hangup and listen.

2012
NCAA wins
0

2014
NCAA win
1

Do you really need me to explain this to you and Pastner hater?

I still have faith. Join the Support Josh Pastner facebook page and prove you are a real fan. Unless you are stammers. I like people with an actual grip on reality.

(02-27-2015 12:41 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:26 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:04 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:28 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  Just a really deceptive post. First off Coach K's first 5 years were spent coaching at Army (which he got to the NIT in his third year). Secondly, it is oh so casually excluded that he took Duke to the National championship game in his 6th year there.

So, if JP takes Memphis to a National Championship game by his 6th year then I am sure the fan base will all be for keeping him... Oh wait...

Yeah, his 6th year at duke was his 11th year overall. And that's oh-so-casual math.

How many times had Army played in the post season before coach K got there? Compare that to our post season appearances before Pastner got here and get back to me.

Did you bother to look it up or are you blindly using this as an example to bash Pastner? People like you that just shoot garbage out of their rear end are the funniest. One last thing...

Link?

Do u really need a link to know that army has always sucked at basketball and he had no talent on those teams. Just let common sense take over there genius. Army is not a recruiting hot bed to say the least and coach K did well there with what he had. Comparing the first six seasons of the two is so stupid. If u give coach K the same players josh has at memphis his first six years I bet we would have more than second round blowouts to show for it. Just saying. At some point you are fighting a losing battle. Pastner can't coach. He used to b able to recruit til word got out he can't coach. Now that's even dried up. If it wasn't for the Lawsons where would we be next year? No reasonable person who understands the game of basketball believes he can coach. Great guy? Yes. Good Coach? No. U don't pay a guy top ten salary because he's a nice guy who does things the right way. He will prob leave at the first chance he gets the heat is getting to him it seems.

I didn't read your gibberish.

The 16 Years Before Coach K.
7 NIT appearances
3 NIT semi final appearances

Coach K
5 years
1 NIT appearance
0 Wins

Again, thank you for your time. I hope you didn't pop any blood vessels trying to support your silly argument.

(02-27-2015 12:49 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  You never know what Pastner might do given time and the right circumstances. I don't think there is any doubt he eventually builds a powerhouse somewhere. It will be here if he is given time, but you know how it is, everybody wants it now, thats the nature of the game. It would be sad to dismiss him just as he gets ready to learn some valuable lessons and perhaps turn the corner for good. I don't know what to say or do if my opinion really counted, but I think devoid of a sure thing, I would ride the storm out. Experience is the best teacher.

Quote:It would be sad to dismiss him just as he gets ready to learn some valuable lessons and perhaps turn the corner for good.

The valuable lesson might be that being stubborn and inflexible will get you fired.

(02-27-2015 12:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:41 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:26 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:04 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:28 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Yeah, his 6th year at duke was his 11th year overall. And that's oh-so-casual math.

How many times had Army played in the post season before coach K got there? Compare that to our post season appearances before Pastner got here and get back to me.

Did you bother to look it up or are you blindly using this as an example to bash Pastner? People like you that just shoot garbage out of their rear end are the funniest. One last thing...

Link?

Do u really need a link to know that army has always sucked at basketball and he had no talent on those teams. Just let common sense take over there genius. Army is not a recruiting hot bed to say the least and coach K did well there with what he had. Comparing the first six seasons of the two is so stupid. If u give coach K the same players josh has at memphis his first six years I bet we would have more than second round blowouts to show for it. Just saying. At some point you are fighting a losing battle. Pastner can't coach. He used to b able to recruit til word got out he can't coach. Now that's even dried up. If it wasn't for the Lawsons where would we be next year? No reasonable person who understands the game of basketball believes he can coach. Great guy? Yes. Good Coach? No. U don't pay a guy top ten salary because he's a nice guy who does things the right way. He will prob leave at the first chance he gets the heat is getting to him it seems.

I didn't read your gibberish.

The 16 Years Before Coach K.
7 NIT appearances
3 NIT semi final appearances

Coach K
5 years
1 NIT appearance
0 Wins

Again, thank you for your time. I hope you didn't pop any blood vessels trying to support your silly argument.

Just silly. Army has been playing basketball for over 100 years and has been to NIT 8 times in their entire history. They had not been to the NIT for 7 or 8 years before Coach K got them back for one year and they have not been to the NIT since then. They are also one of like 5 teams to never play in the NCAA tournament. So, to scoff at Coach K for "only" making the NIT once with Army and acting like it is in anyway relevant to a discussion of the merits of Josh Pastner coaching Memphis in the 2010s is simply beyond ridiculous.

(02-27-2015 12:49 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  You never know what Pastner might do given time and the right circumstances. I don't think there is any doubt he eventually builds a powerhouse somewhere. It will be here if he is given time, but you know how it is, everybody wants it now, thats the nature of the game. It would be sad to dismiss him just as he gets ready to learn some valuable lessons and perhaps turn the corner for good. I don't know what to say or do if my opinion really counted, but I think devoid of a sure thing, I would ride the storm out. Experience is the best teacher.

Just how many years does he need to learn he is about to complete 6 full seasons as a head coach and has been around the game his whole life...he will never build a powerhouse anywhere because he is not good at many things a guy needs to be a head coach, great person, below average coach

(02-27-2015 01:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:41 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:26 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:04 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  How many times had Army played in the post season before coach K got there? Compare that to our post season appearances before Pastner got here and get back to me.

Did you bother to look it up or are you blindly using this as an example to bash Pastner? People like you that just shoot garbage out of their rear end are the funniest. One last thing...

Link?

Do u really need a link to know that army has always sucked at basketball and he had no talent on those teams. Just let common sense take over there genius. Army is not a recruiting hot bed to say the least and coach K did well there with what he had. Comparing the first six seasons of the two is so stupid. If u give coach K the same players josh has at memphis his first six years I bet we would have more than second round blowouts to show for it. Just saying. At some point you are fighting a losing battle. Pastner can't coach. He used to b able to recruit til word got out he can't coach. Now that's even dried up. If it wasn't for the Lawsons where would we be next year? No reasonable person who understands the game of basketball believes he can coach. Great guy? Yes. Good Coach? No. U don't pay a guy top ten salary because he's a nice guy who does things the right way. He will prob leave at the first chance he gets the heat is getting to him it seems.

I didn't read your gibberish.

The 16 Years Before Coach K.
7 NIT appearances
3 NIT semi final appearances

Coach K
5 years
1 NIT appearance
0 Wins

Again, thank you for your time. I hope you didn't pop any blood vessels trying to support your silly argument.

Just silly. Army has been playing basketball for over 100 years and has been to NIT 8 times in their entire history. They had not been to the NIT for 7 or 8 years before Coach K got them back for one year and they have not been to the NIT since then. They are also one of like 5 teams to never play in the NCAA tournament. So, to scoff at Coach K for "only" making the NIT once with Army and acting like it is in anyway relevant to a discussion of the merits of Josh Pastner coaching Memphis in the 2010s is simply beyond ridiculous.

Quote:Army is not a recruiting hot bed to say the least and coach K did well there with what he had.

Other coaches proved that you could go as far as Coach K did, and Bobby Knight proved that you could go deeper than Coach K did. The two seasons after he got them to the NIT, they were 14-11 and 9-17. He basically torched the program on the way out.

Your argument is simply beyond ridiculous...refuted with facts of course.

(02-27-2015 12:35 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I would say that the 2012 team was the best team he put on the floor in his tenure.

2012 31-5 ranked #8 kenpom and 2013 #33 kempon 2014 #37 kenpom

Final RPI rankings
26 - 2014
21 -2013
16 - 2012

Both Metrics including your almighty RPI show a slide since the 2012 season...

Please explain how there was improvement from 2012...I'll hangup and listen.

Not defending Stammers...he's a big boy and can defend himself. Besides, I think he's obnoxious, immature and condescending. That said, your repeated question about our RPI from previous years is pretty much impossible to answer. The RPI is built to compare teams within a single season...it isn't built to compare teams from year to year. It just doesn't work that way. For example, here are the teams with the highest RPI ranking since the 2008-09 season with their corresponding index rating:

2008-09 Duke .6677
2009-10 Kansas .6878
2010-11 Kansas .6793
2011-12 Syracuse .6667
2012-13 Duke .6724
2013-14 Florida .6776
2014-15 Kentucky .6786

Now, tell me based on that which team was the best? Going strictly by the numbers it would be the 2009-10 Kansas squad. Yet Duke won the national championship that season with a .6637 index rating.

All that to say that numbers are fun, but sometimes they can provide a false sense of security.

I use RPI because he continually uses RPI to make his points about previous seasons and strength of schedule...

You see that is how you shut him down, you use the same stats that he quotes again and again against him.

(02-27-2015 12:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 09:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 08:15 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 07:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  BealeStreet and people like you are very simple and easy to figure out. When the players don't improve it is because of Pastner. When they do improve it is for every reason under the sun, except because of Pastner.

Two players that go from 8.2 points per game to 30.4 points per game over the course of a season is nothing short of remarkable. Again, people like you are very easy to figure out. You will basically say anything, no matter how ridiculous, to support your singular reason for being on the board.

If you removed all the posts that bash Pastner, there would literally be a dozen guys on the board that would have no posts at all. They sound alike, they show up after guys like them leave and they say the exact same thing.

Well, that is a nice attempt, but I was actually defending Pastner just a game or two ago. And as usual, you make a completely false statement and when called out on it, you go stammering down some irrelevant path. As has been pointed out, if Pastner is owed the credit of improvement from year Spoons freshman to sophomore year, then is he equally responsible for his flat lining and regression in his junior and senior years?

He is responsible for everything, including consistent improvement from November 2009 to March 2014. Fact.

I would say that the 2012 team was the best team he put on the floor in his tenure.

2012 31-5 ranked #8 kenpom and 2013 #33 kempon 2014 #37 kenpom

Final RPI rankings
26 - 2014
21 -2013
16 - 2012

Both Metrics including your almighty RPI show a slide since the 2012 season...

Please explain how there was improvement from 2012...I'll hangup and listen.

2012
NCAA wins
0

2014
NCAA win
1

Do you really need me to explain this to you and Pastner hater?

What is the highest seed that Pastner defeated in the tourney...The reason we didn't win in 2012 is because we got screwed in seeding. Did we ever beat a team ranked higher than a 9?

But keep on deflecting.

But if that is the slant you want to take...If NCAA wins are the only measurement of success why do you continually bring up how many games he has won and his winning percentage and his previous seasons RPI and his previous seasons strength of schedule.

(02-27-2015 02:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:35 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I would say that the 2012 team was the best team he put on the floor in his tenure.

2012 31-5 ranked #8 kenpom and 2013 #33 kempon 2014 #37 kenpom

Final RPI rankings
26 - 2014
21 -2013
16 - 2012

Both Metrics including your almighty RPI show a slide since the 2012 season...

Please explain how there was improvement from 2012...I'll hangup and listen.

Not defending Stammers...he's a big boy and can defend himself. Besides, I think he's obnoxious, immature and condescending. That said, your repeated question about our RPI from previous years is pretty much impossible to answer. The RPI is built to compare teams within a single season...it isn't built to compare teams from year to year. It just doesn't work that way. For example, here are the teams with the highest RPI ranking since the 2008-09 season with their corresponding index rating:

2008-09 Duke .6677
2009-10 Kansas .6878
2010-11 Kansas .6793
2011-12 Syracuse .6667
2012-13 Duke .6724
2013-14 Florida .6776
2014-15 Kentucky .6786

Now, tell me based on that which team was the best? Going strictly by the numbers it would be the 2009-10 Kansas squad. Yet Duke won the national championship that season with a .6637 index rating.

All that to say that numbers are fun, but sometimes they can provide a false sense of security.

I use RPI because he continually uses RPI to make his points about previous seasons and strength of schedule...

You see that is how you shut him down, you use the same stats that he quotes again and again against him.

He'll just go find another stat and spin it to fit his agenda. Round and round we go...

(02-27-2015 02:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:35 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I would say that the 2012 team was the best team he put on the floor in his tenure.

2012 31-5 ranked #8 kenpom and 2013 #33 kempon 2014 #37 kenpom

Final RPI rankings
26 - 2014
21 -2013
16 - 2012

Both Metrics including your almighty RPI show a slide since the 2012 season...

Please explain how there was improvement from 2012...I'll hangup and listen.

Not defending Stammers...he's a big boy and can defend himself. Besides, I think he's obnoxious, immature and condescending. That said, your repeated question about our RPI from previous years is pretty much impossible to answer. The RPI is built to compare teams within a single season...it isn't built to compare teams from year to year. It just doesn't work that way. For example, here are the teams with the highest RPI ranking since the 2008-09 season with their corresponding index rating:

2008-09 Duke .6677
2009-10 Kansas .6878
2010-11 Kansas .6793
2011-12 Syracuse .6667
2012-13 Duke .6724
2013-14 Florida .6776
2014-15 Kentucky .6786

Now, tell me based on that which team was the best? Going strictly by the numbers it would be the 2009-10 Kansas squad. Yet Duke won the national championship that season with a .6637 index rating.

All that to say that numbers are fun, but sometimes they can provide a false sense of security.

I use RPI because he continually uses RPI to make his points about previous seasons and strength of schedule...

You see that is how you shut him down, you use the same stats that he quotes again and again against him.

Hey, aren't you the genius that had to be told that a season with an NCAA win is an improvement over a season without an NCAA win? You're always good for laughs. Answer that one for me.

(02-27-2015 02:44 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:35 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I would say that the 2012 team was the best team he put on the floor in his tenure.

2012 31-5 ranked #8 kenpom and 2013 #33 kempon 2014 #37 kenpom

Final RPI rankings
26 - 2014
21 -2013
16 - 2012

Both Metrics including your almighty RPI show a slide since the 2012 season...

Please explain how there was improvement from 2012...I'll hangup and listen.

Not defending Stammers...he's a big boy and can defend himself. Besides, I think he's obnoxious, immature and condescending. That said, your repeated question about our RPI from previous years is pretty much impossible to answer. The RPI is built to compare teams within a single season...it isn't built to compare teams from year to year. It just doesn't work that way. For example, here are the teams with the highest RPI ranking since the 2008-09 season with their corresponding index rating:

2008-09 Duke .6677
2009-10 Kansas .6878
2010-11 Kansas .6793
2011-12 Syracuse .6667
2012-13 Duke .6724
2013-14 Florida .6776
2014-15 Kentucky .6786

Now, tell me based on that which team was the best? Going strictly by the numbers it would be the 2009-10 Kansas squad. Yet Duke won the national championship that season with a .6637 index rating.

All that to say that numbers are fun, but sometimes they can provide a false sense of security.

I use RPI because he continually uses RPI to make his points about previous seasons and strength of schedule...

You see that is how you shut him down, you use the same stats that he quotes again and again against him.

He'll just go find another stat and spin it to fit his agenda. Round and round we go...

There goes new guy who bashes Pastner with every single post, accusing someone of having an agenda again. Funny.

(02-27-2015 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:44 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:35 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I would say that the 2012 team was the best team he put on the floor in his tenure.

2012 31-5 ranked #8 kenpom and 2013 #33 kempon 2014 #37 kenpom

Final RPI rankings
26 - 2014
21 -2013
16 - 2012

Both Metrics including your almighty RPI show a slide since the 2012 season...

Please explain how there was improvement from 2012...I'll hangup and listen.

Not defending Stammers...he's a big boy and can defend himself. Besides, I think he's obnoxious, immature and condescending. That said, your repeated question about our RPI from previous years is pretty much impossible to answer. The RPI is built to compare teams within a single season...it isn't built to compare teams from year to year. It just doesn't work that way. For example, here are the teams with the highest RPI ranking since the 2008-09 season with their corresponding index rating:

2008-09 Duke .6677
2009-10 Kansas .6878
2010-11 Kansas .6793
2011-12 Syracuse .6667
2012-13 Duke .6724
2013-14 Florida .6776
2014-15 Kentucky .6786

Now, tell me based on that which team was the best? Going strictly by the numbers it would be the 2009-10 Kansas squad. Yet Duke won the national championship that season with a .6637 index rating.

All that to say that numbers are fun, but sometimes they can provide a false sense of security.

I use RPI because he continually uses RPI to make his points about previous seasons and strength of schedule...

You see that is how you shut him down, you use the same stats that he quotes again and again against him.

He'll just go find another stat and spin it to fit his agenda. Round and round we go...

There goes new guy who bashes Pastner with every single post, accusing someone of having an agenda again. Funny.

That's because it doesn't take long for people to figure you out. Funny.

(02-27-2015 02:43 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 09:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 08:15 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Well, that is a nice attempt, but I was actually defending Pastner just a game or two ago. And as usual, you make a completely false statement and when called out on it, you go stammering down some irrelevant path. As has been pointed out, if Pastner is owed the credit of improvement from year Spoons freshman to sophomore year, then is he equally responsible for his flat lining and regression in his junior and senior years?

He is responsible for everything, including consistent improvement from November 2009 to March 2014. Fact.

I would say that the 2012 team was the best team he put on the floor in his tenure.

2012 31-5 ranked #8 kenpom and 2013 #33 kempon 2014 #37 kenpom

Final RPI rankings
26 - 2014
21 -2013
16 - 2012

Both Metrics including your almighty RPI show a slide since the 2012 season...

Please explain how there was improvement from 2012...I'll hangup and listen.

2012
NCAA wins
0

2014
NCAA win
1

Do you really need me to explain this to you and Pastner hater?

What is the highest seed that Pastner defeated in the tourney...The reason we didn't win in 2012 is because we got screwed in seeding. Did we ever beat a team ranked higher than a 9?

But keep on deflecting.

But if that is the slant you want to take...If NCAA wins are the only measurement of success why do you continually bring up how many games he has won and his winning percentage and his previous seasons RPI and his previous seasons strength of schedule.

Quote:But keep on deflecting.

So now it's a better season when you DON'T win an NCAA game? The comedians are at their funniest when they spin until they are dizzy.

(02-27-2015 02:54 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:44 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:35 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  Not defending Stammers...he's a big boy and can defend himself. Besides, I think he's obnoxious, immature and condescending. That said, your repeated question about our RPI from previous years is pretty much impossible to answer. The RPI is built to compare teams within a single season...it isn't built to compare teams from year to year. It just doesn't work that way. For example, here are the teams with the highest RPI ranking since the 2008-09 season with their corresponding index rating:

2008-09 Duke .6677
2009-10 Kansas .6878
2010-11 Kansas .6793
2011-12 Syracuse .6667
2012-13 Duke .6724
2013-14 Florida .6776
2014-15 Kentucky .6786

Now, tell me based on that which team was the best? Going strictly by the numbers it would be the 2009-10 Kansas squad. Yet Duke won the national championship that season with a .6637 index rating.

All that to say that numbers are fun, but sometimes they can provide a false sense of security.

I use RPI because he continually uses RPI to make his points about previous seasons and strength of schedule...

You see that is how you shut him down, you use the same stats that he quotes again and again against him.

He'll just go find another stat and spin it to fit his agenda. Round and round we go...

There goes new guy who bashes Pastner with every single post, accusing someone of having an agenda again. Funny.

That's because it doesn't take long for people to figure you out. Funny.

No denial from new guy.

LMAO.

(02-27-2015 02:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:54 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:44 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I use RPI because he continually uses RPI to make his points about previous seasons and strength of schedule...

You see that is how you shut him down, you use the same stats that he quotes again and again against him.

He'll just go find another stat and spin it to fit his agenda. Round and round we go...

There goes new guy who bashes Pastner with every single post, accusing someone of having an agenda again. Funny.

That's because it doesn't take long for people to figure you out. Funny.

No denial from new guy.

LMAO.

Denial of what?