(01-26-2015 09:16 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

So the city went and spent need dollars to extend Young into the fairground and according to the picture it will now be eliminated. Have to ask just who's pockets are being lined in this deal.

Lined pockets and this plan are why the OCS stadium study was tossed aside.

The two are very intertwined and those that would benefit from development dollars at the fairgrounds had a hand in making sure the OCS study had no major consideration

OCS on the strategic master plan NOW! Go Tigers GO!

will that pond be stocked?

(01-27-2015 08:31 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 09:16 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

So the city went and spent need dollars to extend Young into the fairground and according to the picture it will now be eliminated. Have to ask just who's pockets are being lined in this deal.

Lined pockets and this plan are why the OCS stadium study was tossed aside.

The two are very intertwined and those that would benefit from development dollars at the fairgrounds had a hand in making sure the OCS study had no major consideration

I'm of that opinion too.

(01-27-2015 08:31 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 09:16 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

So the city went and spent need dollars to extend Young into the fairground and according to the picture it will now be eliminated. Have to ask just who's pockets are being lined in this deal.

Lined pockets and this plan are why the OCS stadium study was tossed aside.

The two are very intertwined and those that would benefit from development dollars at the fairgrounds had a hand in making sure the OCS study had no major consideration

OCS report was tossed aside because it was unrealistically flawed. This corruption is entirely different from anything having to do with the OCS report.

(01-26-2015 11:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 09:14 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  What organization is going to scheduled tournaments in midtown when you have better facilities out east and in Southaven. Tigerlane sits right smack on top of what used to be American Legion fields. Several other field in the fairgrounds were also removed.

Remember every TDZ dime that goes to these not needed facilities is a dime that will not be going to cover Libertybowl upgrade and Tigerlane debt. Which means the U of Memphis will have to cover more and more of that debt. While the LBC and SHC do not pay a dime to cover the debt.

All a TDZ does is route SALES TAX dollars back into that project, instead of going to Nashville for them to decide how it's spent.

But the amount of money produced by the TDZ does not change and it is being split between more projects. When all of it was earmarked for Libertybowl and Tigerlane then it went to those project. Now that same amount of TDZ money is being split between Libertybowl upgrades, Tigerlane and these other projects. The same pie is being cut into more pieces so each piece is now smaller. Since the piece that goes to the Libertybowl upgrades and Tigerlane is now smaller that means the U of M is now going to be responsible for more of the cost to retire the debt. We only had to pay "IF" the TDZ did not produce enough to cover the yearly cost. Since the Libertybvowl and Tigerlane are getting a smaller piece of the pie then it is more likely that the TDZ will not be enough to cover the debt.

(01-27-2015 09:27 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 08:31 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 09:16 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

So the city went and spent need dollars to extend Young into the fairground and according to the picture it will now be eliminated. Have to ask just who's pockets are being lined in this deal.

Lined pockets and this plan are why the OCS stadium study was tossed aside.

The two are very intertwined and those that would benefit from development dollars at the fairgrounds had a hand in making sure the OCS study had no major consideration

I'm of that opinion too.

Me too. Tom Marshall had been making moves for this for a long, long time.

The way it sounds, though, Nashville isn't going to approve it without a much better plan on the table. Hopefully that is the case. I'm not necessarily against a TDZ, but this plan isn't worth it.

(01-27-2015 10:28 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 09:27 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 08:31 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 09:16 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

So the city went and spent need dollars to extend Young into the fairground and according to the picture it will now be eliminated. Have to ask just who's pockets are being lined in this deal.

Lined pockets and this plan are why the OCS stadium study was tossed aside.

The two are very intertwined and those that would benefit from development dollars at the fairgrounds had a hand in making sure the OCS study had no major consideration

I'm of that opinion too.

Me too. Tom Marshall had been making moves for this for a long, long time.

The way it sounds, though, Nashville isn't going to approve it without a much better plan on the table. Hopefully that is the case. I'm not necessarily against a TDZ, but this plan isn't worth it.

well, there's some irony

(01-27-2015 10:10 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 08:31 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 09:16 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

So the city went and spent need dollars to extend Young into the fairground and according to the picture it will now be eliminated. Have to ask just who's pockets are being lined in this deal.

Lined pockets and this plan are why the OCS stadium study was tossed aside.

The two are very intertwined and those that would benefit from development dollars at the fairgrounds had a hand in making sure the OCS study had no major consideration

OCS report was tossed aside because it was unrealistically flawed. This corruption is entirely different from anything having to do with the OCS report.

Sorry but they are very intertwined and I am not saying it's inherently corruption - just the way things work.

Big players saw fit that it was not even reviewed. Some of the developers involved in the fairgrounds retail plan were quoted publicly as being against the OCS. They had this plan on the horizon and an OCS would KILL that plan to make $ off of retail development. Add into the equation tax revenue, the liberty bowl situation with the city/university, and backroom relationships and you have where we are now.

Money talks and bull**** walks.

(01-26-2015 05:51 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  So basically thousands of parking spots would go away in order to build the retail/commercial buildings? So basically there will be enough parking for 15,000 people to go to a game. Awesome.

Wait a sec.

Not too long ago, Timmy Mac, the horse stables, other fair buildings, Liberty Land and a big ass swimming pool were all there--thus making it impossible to park in those areas. It just happens those were all demolished leaving grass or flat space.

People managed back then, right?

The amount of incorrect assumptions on this thread is saddening. The drawings people are referring to are CONCEPTUAL, the plan and what it would look like are not finalized. Money will not be spent on more consultant studies until Nashville agrees to it. The only way that Nashville will agree to it is if some big wigs (who also happen to be some big, big boosters of the U of M) push it through. The city doesn't have the juice in Nashville, these guys do. So the only way this passes if people who have invested heavily in Memphis's football success drive it home. The people doing this KNOW that football parking must be addressed. Finally, TDZ money can only be spent on certain qualified projects within the area one of those qualified projects...the Liberty Bowl. So it would in fact lower the freight that the U of M has to pay.

So does this mean no more Bret Michaels?

(01-27-2015 10:48 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 10:10 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 08:31 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 09:16 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

So the city went and spent need dollars to extend Young into the fairground and according to the picture it will now be eliminated. Have to ask just who's pockets are being lined in this deal.

Lined pockets and this plan are why the OCS stadium study was tossed aside.

The two are very intertwined and those that would benefit from development dollars at the fairgrounds had a hand in making sure the OCS study had no major consideration

OCS report was tossed aside because it was unrealistically flawed. This corruption is entirely different from anything having to do with the OCS report.

Sorry but they are very intertwined and I am not saying it's inherently corruption - just the way things work.

Big players saw fit that it was not even reviewed. Some of the developers involved in the fairgrounds retail plan were quoted publicly as being against the OCS. They had this plan on the horizon and an OCS would KILL that plan to make $ off of retail development. Add into the equation tax revenue, the liberty bowl situation with the city/university, and backroom relationships and you have where we are now.

Money talks and bull**** walks.

Anyone who did not have an agenda who read the OCS report knew that it was flawed and filled with inaccuracies. Such as the claim that the move to Papa John's Stadium was responsible for the increased attendance at Louisville. While ignoring the fact that with a new coach the team went from 1-10 the year prior to a bowl game. That the first few games of the years was not substantially larger in home attendance than the year before. It was the fact that there was no drop off in the last half of the season which accounted for the unproved numbers. This was just one of a number of blatant misrepresentations in the report. The numbers present in the report did not come near to the number projected by non bias sources.

Does this increase the property value of my spaces on Tiger Lane?

there is a save the coliseum group that has been meeting
but the majority of them are really not into tiger sports

the cooper-young folks want to turn the coliseum into a farmers market or target

the coliseum does not have any structural issues (excluding the ada thing which is an easy fix), it is all steel and concrete

it should be re-opened as a sport and entertainment facility. people will bring up the forum agreement, but it has several loop holes which can be financially worked around. the closing of the coliseum only drove events to the landers center or snowden grove and has hurt the city financially.

i hope next year, the goner record folks will help out with the pregame shows and have part of gonerfest at the liberty bowl.

The Grizzlies no compete clause renders the Coliseum useless as a basketball or concert venue unless you get it under 5k seats.

(01-27-2015 01:32 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  The Grizzlies no compete clause renders the Coliseum useless as a basketball or concert venue unless you get it under 5k seats.

ADA compliance---too much $$$ to retrofit upper level to accommodate wheelchairs even though floor has plenty of wheelchair accessible space.

Damn government.

Who gets the mineral rights?

(01-27-2015 11:22 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 05:51 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  So basically thousands of parking spots would go away in order to build the retail/commercial buildings? So basically there will be enough parking for 15,000 people to go to a game. Awesome.

Wait a sec.

Not too long ago, Timmy Mac, the horse stables, other fair buildings, Liberty Land and a big ass swimming pool were all there--thus making it impossible to park in those areas. It just happens those were all demolished leaving grass or flat space.

People managed back then, right?

We weren't going 10-3 back then either...

(01-27-2015 11:46 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  The amount of incorrect assumptions on this thread is saddening. The drawings people are referring to are CONCEPTUAL, the plan and what it would look like are not finalized. Money will not be spent on more consultant studies until Nashville agrees to it. The only way that Nashville will agree to it is if some big wigs (who also happen to be some big, big boosters of the U of M) push it through. The city doesn't have the juice in Nashville, these guys do. So the only way this passes if people who have invested heavily in Memphis's football success drive it home. The people doing this KNOW that football parking must be addressed. Finally, TDZ money can only be spent on certain qualified projects within the area one of those qualified projects...the Liberty Bowl. So it would in fact lower the freight that the U of M has to pay.

Excuse me, but the kind of people you are talking about question why people scoff at daily parking fees north of $10. They are truly out of touch with what "normal" people are willing to spend on parking. Not because they don't have the $10, but because of the principle of the thing.