(02-04-2015 01:13 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 08:04 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  maybe they should talk Green Bay into buying the coliseum and moving it up next to the Pippin. that might scrape up a few extra dollars to throw in the trough.

meanwhile, one beale rises from the dead according to the CA. 300 key 4 star hotel & 280 condo units - $150 million. no TDZ application mentioned.

No TDZ application mentioned, most likely because that area is already under a current TDZ.

That's funny. When did that occur?

AC is now open to the possibility of refurbishing and keeping MSC if the proper deal can be made for it's use. There is a very strong save the MSC movement going on with some powerful players involved.

(02-05-2015 01:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  AC is now open to the possibility of refurbishing and keeping MSC if the proper deal can be made for it's use. There is a very strong save the MSC movement going on with some powerful players involved.

Wait for it............

(02-05-2015 09:20 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 01:13 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 08:04 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  maybe they should talk Green Bay into buying the coliseum and moving it up next to the Pippin. that might scrape up a few extra dollars to throw in the trough.

meanwhile, one beale rises from the dead according to the CA. 300 key 4 star hotel & 280 condo units - $150 million. no TDZ application mentioned.

No TDZ application mentioned, most likely because that area is already under a current TDZ.

That's funny. When did that occur?

The only TDZ currently active in Memphis is pretty much the entire downtown area. It plays a part in the FEDEX Forum, but it might be as old as the botched cook convention center redo from the nineties.

(02-03-2015 10:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:04 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ both of those hotels (union/mclean and cooper/madison) would make great studio apartments...no Idea why someone hasn't converted them yet.

Toby is actually part of the redevelopment.

I'd love to have a studio at the old French Quarter Suites at Overton Square.

i know toby is part of the project. why havent they done anything with those fields in 20 years if the "youth athletics" market is so important is my question? plenty of city owned property back there to do more than they already have.

this is a total scam.

I haven't thought about it. Only thing that place seems to be used for is rugby. Plenty of room there to build a multiplex for sports.

If you are referring to Toby, it has a big dog park and a very nice skate park, baseball fields, and a volleyball area with sand. All of the infrastructure, however, looks like it hasn't been touched in years. Fences need painting, and the one fieldhouse and stands are old. The bathrooms under the stands are scary places. No real amenities anywhere, like nice picnic tables, trees for shade, benches to sit on, et cet. Sidewalks need repair.
I think Mr. Lipscomb and "his" developers envision capturing the nationwide youth sports movement with its tournaments and, therefore, outside tourist dollars. They obviously don't give a damn about our decaying city parks system.
That is a huge market, BUT Memphis already has several extremely nice venues for youth sports.
There has been a movement to extend the Greenline to the Fairgrounds, as just one more amenity, which is all well and good. UNTIL Laura Adams of Shelby Farms and her developer cronies tried to SHOVE that down the throats of Hume Heights where they wanted to run it down the railroad right of way to our city sidewalks, further funneling the constant influx of criminals into our area via the railroad tracks behind out homes. Our neighborhood raised such holy hell that they were forced to find funds to run the Greenline OVER the railroad on a bridge that will connect it to Flicker Street, so it can run all the way to the Fairgrounds.

All of that long story about the Greenline is just to show what big and voracious plans these developers have for the use of the TAXPAYER'S land at the Fairgrounds. BEWARE

Maybe the city govt. could enlist the help of local developers like Loeb who has a track record of success in redeveloping areas of the city.

It seems to me like that's far more valuable real estate to put a wrestling hall of fame, who nobody from outside this region, who isn't at least 40 yrs old is gonna visit , or some little league baseball parks that isn't gonna attract any real money.

Tear it down and pimp it out to an amusement park investor like the one who wants to build a 1400 acre park in of all places Muscle Shoals Alabama.

(02-05-2015 05:38 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 10:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:04 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ both of those hotels (union/mclean and cooper/madison) would make great studio apartments...no Idea why someone hasn't converted them yet.

Toby is actually part of the redevelopment.

I'd love to have a studio at the old French Quarter Suites at Overton Square.

i know toby is part of the project. why havent they done anything with those fields in 20 years if the "youth athletics" market is so important is my question? plenty of city owned property back there to do more than they already have.

this is a total scam.

I haven't thought about it. Only thing that place seems to be used for is rugby. Plenty of room there to build a multiplex for sports.

If you are referring to Toby, it has a big dog park and a very nice skate park, baseball fields, and a volleyball area with sand. All of the infrastructure, however, looks like it hasn't been touched in years. Fences need painting, and the one fieldhouse and stands are old. The bathrooms under the stands are scary places. No real amenities anywhere, like nice picnic tables, trees for shade, benches to sit on, et cet. Sidewalks need repair.
I think Mr. Lipscomb and "his" developers envision capturing the nationwide youth sports movement with its tournaments and, therefore, outside tourist dollars. They obviously don't give a damn about our decaying city parks system.
That is a huge market, BUT Memphis already has several extremely nice venues for youth sports.
There has been a movement to extend the Greenline to the Fairgrounds, as just one more amenity, which is all well and good. UNTIL Laura Adams of Shelby Farms and her developer cronies tried to SHOVE that down the throats of Hume Heights where they wanted to run it down the railroad right of way to our city sidewalks, further funneling the constant influx of criminals into our area via the railroad tracks behind out homes. Our neighborhood raised such holy hell that they were forced to find funds to run the Greenline OVER the railroad on a bridge that will connect it to Flicker Street, so it can run all the way to the Fairgrounds.

All of that long story about the Greenline is just to show what big and voracious plans these developers have for the use of the TAXPAYER'S land at the Fairgrounds. BEWARE

Serious question, have neighborhoods along the green line experienced an increase in crime?

I remember this argument when the greenline was initially being planned but haven't heard or seen any concrete crime stats since it has opened. In my opinion, thinking a sidewalk behind your house will increase crime is kind of silly. Does the sidewalk in front of your house, or the road for that matter, increase crime in a neighborhood? From another angle, people should consider the fact that the railroad right of way has always been there and could have already been an entry point into your neoghborhood for criminals. Only now, post greenline, the area is cleared out, more open, more visible, and more trafficked. All of these factors would likely decrease criminal activity.

(01-29-2015 01:04 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ both of those hotels (union/mclean and cooper/madison) would make great studio apartments...no Idea why someone hasn't converted them yet.

Toby is actually part of the redevelopment.

I'd love to have a studio at the old French Quarter Suites at Overton Square.

i know toby is part of the project. why havent they done anything with those fields in 20 years if the "youth athletics" market is so important is my question? plenty of city owned property back there to do more than they already have.

this is a total scam.

The youth athletics market they would target with the fairgrounds sports complex would be far different then those who currently use Toby. One involved lots of money and visitors from out of town, the other involves the free or relatively cheap use of fields by city residents.

I 100% agree that the city should do more to make Toby a nicer complex but I'd be upset if they turned it into a venue like First TN Fields or the proposed Fairgrounds project that would effectively price out a large portion of city residents.

(01-26-2015 03:59 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  once lipscomb has this passed

there will be no parking or tailgating at the liberty bowl

south of tiger lane

the squeeze is coming

LOL, I wonder what they're going to do when they finally have to tear down LBM Stadium due to compliance issue ... . (Just Joking ... I think).

What I don't understand is why they don't do some really forward thinking (i.e., like Indianapolis, St. Louis, New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta, etc.) and go ahead and build a multi-purpose stadium (i.e., facility) that could host college football games, college bowl games, mega-concerts, big conventions, and FREAKING JR/SR HIGH SCHOOL AAU TOURNAMENT GAMES ... !!!

I'm tired of the give us more of your (State) money. It's for the kids ... !!! They need to generate some new revenue for God Sakes !!! Maybe they'll help solve one of the other city problems in the process .. AIRPORT TRAFFIC !!!

No offense to AAU JR/SR HS Basketball. Just a little frustrated with local leadership. Also, I'm a little mad at myself for missing the community feedback meeting ... Not that I think that they would have listened ... .

(02-05-2015 10:05 PM)TonyTiger Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:59 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  once lipscomb has this passed

there will be no parking or tailgating at the liberty bowl

south of tiger lane

the squeeze is coming

LOL, I wonder what they're going to do when they finally have to tear down LBM Stadium due to compliance issue ... . (Just Joking ... I think).

What I don't understand is why they don't do some really forward thinking (i.e., like Indianapolis, St. Louis, New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta, etc.) and go ahead and build a multi-purpose stadium (i.e., facility) that could [u][i]host college football games[[/i]/u], college bowl games, mega-concerts, big conventions, and FREAKING JR/SR HIGH SCHOOL AAU TOURNAMENT GAMES ... !!!

I'm tired of the give us more of your (State) money. It's for the kids ... !!! They need to generate some new revenue for God Sakes !!! Maybe they'll help solve one of the other city problems in the process .. AIRPORT TRAFFIC !!!

No offense to AAU JR/SR HS Basketball. Just a little frustrated with local leadership. Also, I'm a little mad at myself for missing the community feedback meeting ... Not that I think that they would have listened ... .

Try to realize that our university and the city are not synonymous. The city is broke, run by politicians that have their collective self-interest as first priorities, rift with graft & corruption - it can't even run its own school system, it let the best recreation department in the country go down the tubes & it was once the perennial winner of city beautiful awards but now many areas look like Detroit south. It's not rocket science to understand why counties surrounding Shelby Co (both in MS & TN) are prospering - it's not a race issue, it' a responsibility issue - and Memphis leadership has for too long taken what the city has to offer for personal gain. On the other hand, our university for all of its shortcomings is managed within its budgets by leaders who are accountable. And while I don't agree with its priorities for facilities, our university is much better off keeping an arms length with the city. Let the city determine & finance its own facilities needs without involving our university. Let's encourage our university to plan for & finance its own facilities without city intervention & without further city use of university funding.

(02-05-2015 07:39 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 05:38 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 10:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:04 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ both of those hotels (union/mclean and cooper/madison) would make great studio apartments...no Idea why someone hasn't converted them yet.

Toby is actually part of the redevelopment.

I'd love to have a studio at the old French Quarter Suites at Overton Square.

i know toby is part of the project. why havent they done anything with those fields in 20 years if the "youth athletics" market is so important is my question? plenty of city owned property back there to do more than they already have.

this is a total scam.

I haven't thought about it. Only thing that place seems to be used for is rugby. Plenty of room there to build a multiplex for sports.

If you are referring to Toby, it has a big dog park and a very nice skate park, baseball fields, and a volleyball area with sand. All of the infrastructure, however, looks like it hasn't been touched in years. Fences need painting, and the one fieldhouse and stands are old. The bathrooms under the stands are scary places. No real amenities anywhere, like nice picnic tables, trees for shade, benches to sit on, et cet. Sidewalks need repair.
I think Mr. Lipscomb and "his" developers envision capturing the nationwide youth sports movement with its tournaments and, therefore, outside tourist dollars. They obviously don't give a damn about our decaying city parks system.
That is a huge market, BUT Memphis already has several extremely nice venues for youth sports.
There has been a movement to extend the Greenline to the Fairgrounds, as just one more amenity, which is all well and good. UNTIL Laura Adams of Shelby Farms and her developer cronies tried to SHOVE that down the throats of Hume Heights where they wanted to run it down the railroad right of way to our city sidewalks, further funneling the constant influx of criminals into our area via the railroad tracks behind out homes. Our neighborhood raised such holy hell that they were forced to find funds to run the Greenline OVER the railroad on a bridge that will connect it to Flicker Street, so it can run all the way to the Fairgrounds.

All of that long story about the Greenline is just to show what big and voracious plans these developers have for the use of the TAXPAYER'S land at the Fairgrounds. BEWARE

Serious question, have neighborhoods along the green line experienced an increase in crime?

I remember this argument when the greenline was initially being planned but haven't heard or seen any concrete crime stats since it has opened. In my opinion, thinking a sidewalk behind your house will increase crime is kind of silly. Does the sidewalk in front of your house, or the road for that matter, increase crime in a neighborhood? From another angle, people should consider the fact that the railroad right of way has always been there and could have already been an entry point into your neoghborhood for criminals. Only now, post greenline, the area is cleared out, more open, more visible, and more trafficked. All of these factors would likely decrease criminal activity.

Just to clarify...

The neighborhood wasn't against the Greenline per se, but against how the Greenline folks wanted to go about it, just to push it through quickly (similar to the TDZ, come to think of it).

Instead of having the path behind the residences like in High Point, they were actually wanting to use the residential streets AS the Greenline itself.

NOW, like 21-17 said, they're looking at actually making it have a real pathway just like the rest of the Greenline throughout the county, tied in with the TDOT Union Avenue/Poplar viaduct project. That's a much more appealing possibility...if anything's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

(01-27-2015 04:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 03:17 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 11:22 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 05:51 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  So basically thousands of parking spots would go away in order to build the retail/commercial buildings? So basically there will be enough parking for 15,000 people to go to a game. Awesome.

Wait a sec.

Not too long ago, Timmy Mac, the horse stables, other fair buildings, Liberty Land and a big ass swimming pool were all there--thus making it impossible to park in those areas. It just happens those were all demolished leaving grass or flat space.

People managed back then, right?

We weren't going 10-3 back then either...

The Showboats were.

Timmy Mac and Libertyland were still up in the 2000's Memphis was at least playing one of OM, TN, MSU or Arky pretty much every year prior to that. Plus, one of the home games often fell during a "Fair Weekend" (or even a Chicks game) but parking could still be had.

Not arguing about the plan...just that somehow parking would be an issue 6 times out of 365 days.

A three story parking garage between the stadium and the children museum would be beneficial.

(02-05-2015 05:38 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 10:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 01:04 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ both of those hotels (union/mclean and cooper/madison) would make great studio apartments...no Idea why someone hasn't converted them yet.

Toby is actually part of the redevelopment.

I'd love to have a studio at the old French Quarter Suites at Overton Square.

i know toby is part of the project. why havent they done anything with those fields in 20 years if the "youth athletics" market is so important is my question? plenty of city owned property back there to do more than they already have.

this is a total scam.

I haven't thought about it. Only thing that place seems to be used for is rugby. Plenty of room there to build a multiplex for sports.

If you are referring to Toby, it has a big dog park and a very nice skate park, baseball fields, and a volleyball area with sand. All of the infrastructure, however, looks like it hasn't been touched in years. Fences need painting, and the one fieldhouse and stands are old. The bathrooms under the stands are scary places. No real amenities anywhere, like nice picnic tables, trees for shade, benches to sit on, et cet. Sidewalks need repair.
I think Mr. Lipscomb and "his" developers envision capturing the nationwide youth sports movement with its tournaments and, therefore, outside tourist dollars. They obviously don't give a damn about our decaying city parks system.
That is a huge market, BUT Memphis already has several extremely nice venues for youth sports.
There has been a movement to extend the Greenline to the Fairgrounds, as just one more amenity, which is all well and good. UNTIL Laura Adams of Shelby Farms and her developer cronies tried to SHOVE that down the throats of Hume Heights where they wanted to run it down the railroad right of way to our city sidewalks, further funneling the constant influx of criminals into our area via the railroad tracks behind out homes. Our neighborhood raised such holy hell that they were forced to find funds to run the Greenline OVER the railroad on a bridge that will connect it to Flicker Street, so it can run all the way to the Fairgrounds.

All of that long story about the Greenline is just to show what big and voracious plans these developers have for the use of the TAXPAYER'S land at the Fairgrounds. BEWARE

Speaking of the greenline. What ever happened to the extension of the greenline across walkway on the Harahan bridge? Thought the money had already been approved and the job was supposed to be completed.

It's under construction now. Will be open sometime next year, I believe.

When this thread was started nobody could have envisioned that in October there would be no Lipscomb and no AC. Where will the fairgrounds plan go now?

Thankfully nowhere. It's dead, Jim.

(01-26-2015 04:40 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  So they plan to build baseball diamonds after the King dissolved the Park Commission and ended the softball leagues. Good call.

I will never forget the shock when I first heard that years ago.

At one time Memphis had the largest city organized softball program in the US.

(10-14-2015 01:28 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  When this thread was started nobody could have envisioned that in October there would be no Lipscomb and no AC. Where will the fairgrounds plan go now?

Very good point. Certainly not me. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out now with a new mayor.

(10-14-2015 09:51 AM)memp600 Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 01:28 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  When this thread was started nobody could have envisioned that in October there would be no Lipscomb and no AC. Where will the fairgrounds plan go now?

Very good point. Certainly not me. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out now with a new mayor.

I assume he'll address the issue sooner rather than later once he takes office.