(01-27-2015 02:32 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 01:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 01:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 01:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  GA State has an excellent chance to be snapped up out of the Sunbelt by some other conference within the next 10 years. To understand what they have done and what they are doing, you really have to be familiar with the area of town they are in and how far they've pushed it forward already.

the only thing that gives me pause is the merger with GA Perimeter, a 2-year institution. I'm not real sure how that's going to work, ultimately, but I have seen references tom other schools around the country making it work. I think that will be the most confusing thing they have to deal with these next few years.

Atlanta Mayor Reed is jonesing to make the Turner Field area redevelopment happen for GA State. If so, then the Braves leaving that area after 40+ years will be the best thing to happen to Atlanta in that area.

Becker is a sports fan but not good at sports administration. That is where Levick hurt us...badly. Now with Cobb he doesnt have to worry about that side. The merger is in his wheelhouse.I watched the town hall meeting on the merger and he was sooo comfortable. It was like a fireside chat. This is the stuff he lives for. At one point he mentioned "well as a former community college student who is now he President of a major urban research university...". I was like, wow, he is feeling it. I like others was concerned until I realized other universities like Penn State and U of South Carolina had pursued this model before.

Really, Penn State? I was not aware of that particular example.

Example http://www.bk.psu.edu/Admissions/partnerships.htm

That says that students could apply to transfer to Penn State from the local community college. But is that the same as a merger? Are they still separate? My understanding of GA State's situation is that they would be merging Ga Perimeter into their University somehow. The reason primarily given is for the State of GA to save on redundant administration costs and functions, (although I tend to speculate that adding additional student fees to GA State's coffers to fund things like their athletics expansion may factor in somewhat as well.)

Is this how that (Penn State) works?

(01-27-2015 03:24 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 02:32 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 01:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 01:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 01:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  GA State has an excellent chance to be snapped up out of the Sunbelt by some other conference within the next 10 years. To understand what they have done and what they are doing, you really have to be familiar with the area of town they are in and how far they've pushed it forward already.

the only thing that gives me pause is the merger with GA Perimeter, a 2-year institution. I'm not real sure how that's going to work, ultimately, but I have seen references tom other schools around the country making it work. I think that will be the most confusing thing they have to deal with these next few years.

Atlanta Mayor Reed is jonesing to make the Turner Field area redevelopment happen for GA State. If so, then the Braves leaving that area after 40+ years will be the best thing to happen to Atlanta in that area.

Becker is a sports fan but not good at sports administration. That is where Levick hurt us...badly. Now with Cobb he doesnt have to worry about that side. The merger is in his wheelhouse.I watched the town hall meeting on the merger and he was sooo comfortable. It was like a fireside chat. This is the stuff he lives for. At one point he mentioned "well as a former community college student who is now he President of a major urban research university...". I was like, wow, he is feeling it. I like others was concerned until I realized other universities like Penn State and U of South Carolina had pursued this model before.

Really, Penn State? I was not aware of that particular example.

Example http://www.bk.psu.edu/Admissions/partnerships.htm

That says that students could apply to transfer to Penn State from the local community college. But is that the same as a merger? Are they still separate? My understanding of GA State's situation is that they would be merging Ga Perimeter into their University somehow. The reason primarily given is for the State of GA to save on redundant administration costs and functions, (although I tend to speculate that adding additional student fees to GA State's coffers to fund things like their athletics expansion may factor in somewhat as well.)

Is this how that (Penn State) works?

Not sure of the exact financials of Penn State but as far a I know the 19 Commonwealth campuses fall under their umbrella. There is also the example of Palmetto College and South Carolina and of course here in Atlanta, Emory and Oxford College at Emory.

Ok...so I assume the meetings are over. Anybody have any news?

(01-28-2015 04:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ok...so I assume the meetings are over. Anybody have any news?

UAB is leaving. We're adding Ohio and ECU & Houston are coming back.

(01-28-2015 04:44 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 04:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ok...so I assume the meetings are over. Anybody have any news?

UAB is leaving. We're adding Ohio and ECU & Houston are coming back.

(01-28-2015 04:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ok...so I assume the meetings are over. Anybody have any news?

Have not seen an official release as of yet. This link is to a report from the UTSA Athletic Director and only discusses issues with cost of attendance:

UTSA AD on meetings

(01-29-2015 09:13 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 04:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ok...so I assume the meetings are over. Anybody have any news?

Have not seen an official release as of yet. This link is to a report from the UTSA Athletic Director and only discusses issues with cost of attendance:

UTSA AD on meetings

Thanks Miner! So CUSA joins the MW in allowing individual schools to make their own decision about stipends and not make it a conference mandate.

(01-29-2015 09:13 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Have not seen an official release as of yet. This link is to a report from the UTSA Athletic Director and only discusses issues with cost of attendance:
UTSA AD on meetings

So it looks like the presidents don't have enough information to set policy here. I'd guess the dollars start low and as competitve pressures grow so will the stipend/athlete. An extra 1,2,3,4,$5,000 in their pockets (and huge dinner buffets) will continue to isolate atheltes from the general population.

The recruiting fire just got gasoline thrown on it. The conference will need to step in at some point; it's inevitable. Nothing speaks to a recruit like cash in the pocket.

This going to be a mess with range of 2k to 5k, that is huge difference for 18-22 year olds...College athletics will be about whoever has the most money even in our own conference.....If WKU can only offer 2k and Marshall can give 5k, that will create a huge disadvantage for WKU and Marshall will be able to out recruit WKU in all sports if that was the case.....I don't see WKU being able to offer the high end as 2k might push it, especially with our student enrollment going down the last few years and evening out some after years of huge growth...Pretty soon the bubble will burst with all of this..This is not good!

(01-29-2015 09:53 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 09:13 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 04:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ok...so I assume the meetings are over. Anybody have any news?

Have not seen an official release as of yet. This link is to a report from the UTSA Athletic Director and only discusses issues with cost of attendance:

UTSA AD on meetings

Thanks Miner! So CUSA joins the MW in allowing individual schools to make their own decision about stipends and not make it a conference mandate.

Excellent idea to not make it a conference mandate. For those that cannot afford the additional expense they aren't forced into a corner.

As a UTSA fan I am pleased our AD sees we "must" provide the same level of compensation as the P5 in order to remain competitive with our peers.

Give the kids at least 5k each and tax the fan base. I'm ok with that as long as my team continues to strive for success.

(01-29-2015 10:07 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  This going to be a mess with range of 2k to 5k, that is huge difference for 18-22 year olds...College athletics will be about whoever has the most money even in our own conference.....If WKU can only offer 2k and Marshall can give 5k, that will create a huge disadvantage for WKU and Marshall will be able to out recruit WKU in all sports if that was the case.....I don't see WKU being able to offer the high end as 2k might push it, especially with our student enrollment going down the last few years and evening out some after years of huge growth...Pretty soon the bubble will burst with all of this..This is not good!

Well, then they'll get a quick lesson about cost of living differences are about. If they think that $2000 < $5000, just wait till they find what there is a cost of living difference when they compare a going to restaurant or dept store in Ruston vs. Miami.

(01-29-2015 10:55 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:07 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  This going to be a mess with range of 2k to 5k, that is huge difference for 18-22 year olds...College athletics will be about whoever has the most money even in our own conference.....If WKU can only offer 2k and Marshall can give 5k, that will create a huge disadvantage for WKU and Marshall will be able to out recruit WKU in all sports if that was the case.....I don't see WKU being able to offer the high end as 2k might push it, especially with our student enrollment going down the last few years and evening out some after years of huge growth...Pretty soon the bubble will burst with all of this..This is not good!

Well, then they'll get a quick lesson about cost of living differences are about. If they think that $2000 < $5000, just wait till they find what there is a cost of living difference when they compare a going to restaurant or dept store in Ruston vs. Miami.

True money would go a lot further in BG then in Nashville, maybe this is good for WKU, haha...

(01-29-2015 10:55 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well, then they'll get a quick lesson about cost of living differences are about. If they think that $2000 < $5000, just wait till they find what there is a cost of living difference when they compare a going to restaurant or dept store in Ruston vs. Miami.

A lot more to spend your money on in Miami and I don't think kids are looking to save their stipends at that age.

Tax the fans? Why not tax the NCAA? With all the money made from TV rights, licensing apparel etc.!! I can't imagine how much they pay the bureaucrats! They have those ridiculous restrictions. Remember Rick Majeris being fined for treating his team to dinner in a hotel restaurant and the hotel was his residence!! I forget which school that got in trouble for someone giving a player a suit to wear to a family member's funeral! How about making a slush fund by taking a percentage of the money made from licensed items sold. Each team gets to draw from that fund for travel home, emergencies and a small "walking around" money for the kids.