(01-24-2015 02:50 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 01:38 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 01:35 PM)galojah Wrote:  Let's be honest, we took F_U's simply for market, Georgia State would be no different.

Yeah, except that Downtown Atlanta > St. Floridasburg.

nope. Georgia Sate is non factor in Atlanta. No market share. Atlanta sux anyhow.

Sports in general are a non-factor in Atlanta and GA State faces this just like GT, etc. do. But if GA State got into CUSA, the perception would definitely be that they'd moved up in class, and that that meant playing USM, Marshall, etc. and the overall result would be positive buzz around all of us. You want to sacrifice that so that we can let in Appy State or whatever... fine, but be aware of the tradeoff.

As for Atlanta sucking, well, you decide. You can hang out in Miami and deal with the people who lost the Cuban Revolution whining in your ear, or you can hang out in the capital of both African American culture and Southern culture. Personally, I don't think people around the world give a flip about Caribbean culture for more than 2-3 songs, and there are damned good reasons for that. It's brutal honesty, but to me Atlanta is paradise and Miami is, well, the other place.

(01-24-2015 03:08 PM)Blazer85 Wrote:  I honestly think that in the end, CUSA will give UAB a deadline and make UABs continued inclusion dependent on a commitment to reinstate football.

This would be the decision that is in the best interest of both UAB and CUSA. Further, if CUSA would announce this, I think the task force should openly inquire to other leagues to show that the A10 or MVC is not interested, thus putting pressure from all angles for football to return.

Atlanta doesn't suck at all. But it's sure isn't Miami. Miami has beaches!!!



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Unless it comes with changes in governance or other tangible assurances this won't happen again, UAB simply resuming football shouldn't count for anything. A deadline to bring it back by 2016 means nothing if it's still at risk of being shut down again at the whim of the Tiders in 2017 and beyond.

Who else gets the feeling ...

"we will look at the numbers" then decide is just a ploy to get pass this vote from the UAB president?

(01-25-2015 05:02 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Atlanta doesn't suck at all. But it's sure isn't Miami. Miami has beaches!!!



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Well Atlanta does suck to drive in, or even just through. Otherwise Atlanta seems fine when I've stayed there. Haven't found a reason to test out Miami yet.

(01-25-2015 05:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Who else gets the feeling ...

"we will look at the numbers" then decide is just a ploy to get pass this vote from the UAB president?

No and yes: There's no evidence Ray Watts cares much what CUSA thinks or does, nor any that the slightest thought went to conference affiliation (either to CUSA or a replacement).

Now, to buy time for the rage to fade, absolutely. The rage will not fade. Ray Watts has little contact with anyone outside his inner circle (two deans who lick his boots, the VP for Alumni, and the VP for Finance). He may actually think the tactic will work.

(01-25-2015 04:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 03:26 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 01:35 PM)galojah Wrote:  Let's be honest, we took F_U's simply for market, Georgia State would be no different.

Funny that you said "we" although FIU was the first school invited and WKU was the last. Meaning, WKU was not in CUSA when we joined. Let's not forget that FIU was coming off two bowl appearances when it was invited. Hence, schools are not invited solely on performance but rather based on market, academic profile, budget ect. As evident, non of the G5 schools is immune from a few down years.

At the time taking FIU was a no brainer with CUSA losing the Fla area. Football was good and while I don't care for Miami...

You can't beat S. Fla in Nov-Feb. Presidents and AD's love this trip and it shows because if other fanbases is like Western...

the FIU/FAU road games will have more opposing fans at these games than any other. Other than a close rival that is.

I'm for one that's very glad to be back in the same conference as both. Wish the basketball would get better but every conference has schools that pick a sport and S. Fla is football first, second, third, fourth, then maybe basketball gets a nugget. But overall both schools add something to the conference a northern school can't

But with that it was suppose to be muts and Western instead of FAU...

if the vote was taken 2 (2.5) weeks earlier it would have been that way. Other than Western's president or our AD saying different I would trust my source on that over anyone else at Western.

Not sure about that. FIU was lobbying for FAU. I'm Not aware of any school in CUSA that was pulling for MT & WK as hard as we were for FAU.

(01-25-2015 04:41 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 02:50 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 01:38 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 01:35 PM)galojah Wrote:  Let's be honest, we took F_U's simply for market, Georgia State would be no different.

Yeah, except that Downtown Atlanta > St. Floridasburg.

nope. Georgia Sate is non factor in Atlanta. No market share. Atlanta sux anyhow.

Sports in general are a non-factor in Atlanta and GA State faces this just like GT, etc. do. But if GA State got into CUSA, the perception would definitely be that they'd moved up in class, and that that meant playing USM, Marshall, etc. and the overall result would be positive buzz around all of us. You want to sacrifice that so that we can let in Appy State or whatever... fine, but be aware of the tradeoff.

As for Atlanta sucking, well, you decide. You can hang out in Miami and deal with the people who lost the Cuban Revolution whining in your ear, or you can hang out in the capital of both African American culture and Southern culture. Personally, I don't think people around the world give a flip about Caribbean culture for more than 2-3 songs, and there are damned good reasons for that. It's brutal honesty, but to me Atlanta is paradise and Miami is, well, the other place.

Crawl back in your cave please.

(01-25-2015 06:26 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 04:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 03:26 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 01:35 PM)galojah Wrote:  Let's be honest, we took F_U's simply for market, Georgia State would be no different.

Funny that you said "we" although FIU was the first school invited and WKU was the last. Meaning, WKU was not in CUSA when we joined. Let's not forget that FIU was coming off two bowl appearances when it was invited. Hence, schools are not invited solely on performance but rather based on market, academic profile, budget ect. As evident, non of the G5 schools is immune from a few down years.

At the time taking FIU was a no brainer with CUSA losing the Fla area. Football was good and while I don't care for Miami...

You can't beat S. Fla in Nov-Feb. Presidents and AD's love this trip and it shows because if other fanbases is like Western...

the FIU/FAU road games will have more opposing fans at these games than any other. Other than a close rival that is.

I'm for one that's very glad to be back in the same conference as both. Wish the basketball would get better but every conference has schools that pick a sport and S. Fla is football first, second, third, fourth, then maybe basketball gets a nugget. But overall both schools add something to the conference a northern school can't

But with that it was suppose to be muts and Western instead of FAU...

if the vote was taken 2 (2.5) weeks earlier it would have been that way. Other than Western's president or our AD saying different I would trust my source on that over anyone else at Western.

Not sure about that. FIU was lobbying for FAU. I'm Not aware of any school in CUSA that was pulling for MT & WK as hard as we were for FAU.

That's what I'm saying FIU's lobbying is what changed the vote or the way CUSA was leaning. Right after it came public that muts and fau were the 2 schools going to CUSA. It was also leaked that Western was next.

Three weeks before that I would have bet the farm on it being Western so would a few people in the know at Western. I've read a few quotes by Western (AD) after FAU got the votes and they would sound like good members of a conference (SBC) quotes. But if it was in a court of law where the truth is su[ppose to matter they would have been very different.

(01-24-2015 02:17 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 12:04 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  If it happens, it happens. Presidents, ADs, and comissioners make these decisions based on much larger factors than W-L records. Sure, Georgia State has had an abysmal athletic record the past 50 years, but we havent had the resources, students, down town housing, and commitment to facilities and overall opportunities that we are now being afforded.
Georgia State will have 50k students, multiple intown dorms, numerous new academic buildings, and the Turner Field project all coming to fruition in the next 36 months within a Top 10 market. I'm not saying we are leaving the SBC, but folks have to be very naive to think we aren't positioning ourselves to be a permanent blip on the discussion radar. I have no doubt that many others are as well.

Let's also not minimize the extreme damage that five years under The Levick caused. Charlie Cobb is doing a great job so far of cleaning house and reversing some of her idiocy. He has not been on the job 6 months. Things are definitely different with a President and AD on the same page.

As a Rice fan, I can certainly agree with that statement after all we've been through.

(01-24-2015 01:38 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 01:35 PM)galojah Wrote:  Let's be honest, we took F_U's simply for market, Georgia State would be no different.

Yeah, except that Downtown Atlanta > St. Floridasburg.

I agree, except that Downtown Atlanta > St. Floridasburg.

(01-25-2015 05:10 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Unless it comes with changes in governance or other tangible assurances this won't happen again, UAB simply resuming football shouldn't count for anything. A deadline to bring it back by 2016 means nothing if it's still at risk of being shut down again at the whim of the Tiders in 2017 and beyond.

Unfortunately you make the point that may doom UAB. The question will most likely be: "What is to prevent this from happening again in the future?" Because of the Medical School, it is very unlikely that AL-Tuscaloosa will let UAB ever have full autonomy. And if UAB should happen to say "Fine, UA, take the medical School and let us free," then there's not much of a University left.

It is not impossible, but it really looks grim. Meanwhile, CUSA, and each member school, has to look out for their own interests in the ever more cutthroat environment of major college sports.

(01-25-2015 05:02 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Atlanta doesn't suck at all. But it's sure isn't Miami. Miami has beaches!!!



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Beaches and skin cancer are overrated. Especially in the sweltering and unbearable mid-year months. Fine for off-season, Nov-Feb/Mar or so. Other than that, meh.

Both are great cities.

Can we please leave the F_Us alone? The conference needs a meaningful foothold in Florida from two up-and-coming programs. FAU and FIU give us that.

As for UAB, lets give them a two-year window to bring football back. If they won't commit to that within four months, replace them. We need UAB and we need Birmingham.

(01-25-2015 09:26 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Can we please leave the F_Us alone? The conference needs a meaningful foothold in Florida from two up-and-coming programs. FAU and FIU give us that.

As for UAB, lets give them a two-year window to bring football back. If they won't commit to that within four months, replace them. We need UAB and we need Birmingham.

I think two years would hurt UAB's bring back football cause instead of help. Watts and the UA Board need PRESSURE on them. Two years is not pressure.

Isn't the 'Ham the nation's top collegiate sports market, as far as Nielson ratings ?

Of course, most of that is Bammer, but they get high ratings even when Bammer is not involved.

(01-25-2015 09:42 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 09:26 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Can we please leave the F_Us alone? The conference needs a meaningful foothold in Florida from two up-and-coming programs. FAU and FIU give us that.

As for UAB, lets give them a two-year window to bring football back. If they won't commit to that within four months, replace them. We need UAB and we need Birmingham.

I think two years would hurt UAB's bring back football cause instead of help. Watts and the UA Board need PRESSURE on them. Two years is not pressure.

I don't think it's realistically possible to bring it back any sooner and in a lasting way.

We don't need two years. We just need enough time for
1. SACS to investigate
2. The State legislature to meet and push forward the bills to either separate us from UA board or force board reform
3. Get Watts the HELL OUT OF HERE

1 year. If in one year we don't work it out, then it is what it is. But I hope they let it be known that it was a Watts decision not a UAB decision and that he and who ever made this decision screwed us.