just enjoy the rest of the games and Bowen will sort it out in April.

(12-20-2014 01:47 AM)TIGERBANDIT Wrote:  I have been surprised with how quickly everyone has openly started to bash Pastner.

I think that some people have had some deep seeded resentment against our coach (perhaps because he is younger and more successful than you) and they now feel that they are free to say all the they have been thinking.

My opinion is this: Pastner is not lucky to be where he is. All of you conservatives tell us that people earn what they get. This is America. Pastner played the game and cashed in millions. He is smarter than you and me combined. If he is smart enough to make this many millions (plus he has a passion for coaching basketball), I think he is probably smart enough to win some more basketball games.

I say we keep him around. He's a good bet.

I hope you're not a gambler...

if there's resentment, it comes from the money made vs. the lack of wins, in my two cents worth. he's simply being paid at a level he's not at.. yet. will he eventually be worth the money? that's the million dollar question. if he was being paid less, I think folks could be more objective at the rate of improvement. I think as it is, when we locked him up, the fans felt like they got the shackles.

will the fans wait? that's sure lookin much different. the shortest distance between two points is a learning curve

(12-20-2014 10:56 AM)fsquid Wrote:  just enjoy the rest of the games and Bowen will sort it out in April.

How dare you try to enjoy basketball games.

(12-20-2014 10:56 AM)fsquid Wrote:  just enjoy the rest of the games and Bowen will sort it out in April.

There we go. Unless there's a dramatic turnaround (which I passionately hope will happen), I think the decision has already been made.

What we need to do now is support the team and cheer on these guys who have dedicated their blood and sweat each day to being a Tiger. If we go on a major run and somehow get to the tournament, then GREAT! If not, then things will take care of themselves.

one major thing; there's more time to explore coach options this go round.

(12-20-2014 10:56 AM)fsquid Wrote:  just enjoy the rest of the games and Bowen will sort it out in April.

(12-20-2014 10:58 AM)Rob Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 01:47 AM)TIGERBANDIT Wrote:  I have been surprised with how quickly everyone has openly started to bash Pastner.

I think that some people have had some deep seeded resentment against our coach (perhaps because he is younger and more successful than you) and they now feel that they are free to say all the they have been thinking.

My opinion is this: Pastner is not lucky to be where he is. All of you conservatives tell us that people earn what they get. This is America. Pastner played the game and cashed in millions. He is smarter than you and me combined. If he is smart enough to make this many millions (plus he has a passion for coaching basketball), I think he is probably smart enough to win some more basketball games.

I say we keep him around. He's a good bet.

I hope you're not a gambler...

(12-20-2014 10:59 AM)tigeriron Wrote:  if there's resentment, it comes from the money made vs. the lack of wins, in my two cents worth. he's simply being paid at a level he's not at.. yet. will he eventually be worth the money? that's the million dollar question. if he was being paid less, I think folks could be more objective at the rate of improvement. I think as it is, when we locked him up, the fans felt like they got the shackles.

will the fans wait? that's sure lookin much different. the shortest distance between two points is a learning curve

It's not your money, so don't worry about it...

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We haven't lost our games by one point in double overtime. Over the past four years, we've been getting blown off the court in games, often at home.

Everyone knows it isn't the losses. It's the disfunction.
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Getting an NCAA tourney bid will be the proof in the pudding. Why that is the expectation gir this team going into year 6 is different discussion.

(12-20-2014 11:22 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 10:59 AM)tigeriron Wrote:  if there's resentment, it comes from the money made vs. the lack of wins, in my two cents worth. he's simply being paid at a level he's not at.. yet. will he eventually be worth the money? that's the million dollar question. if he was being paid less, I think folks could be more objective at the rate of improvement. I think as it is, when we locked him up, the fans felt like they got the shackles.

will the fans wait? that's sure lookin much different. the shortest distance between two points is a learning curve

It's not your money, so don't worry about it...

These types of responses completely miss the point. sure it's not his money. But it's his program. It's my program. Do you consider it your program? I'm sure you'd say yes.

No one faults pastner for making the money he makes. Everyone of us would agree to the same.

The point is, if our program is willing to invest that much money in a head coach, then there are, without a doubt, much better options that would produce better results on the court and keep our program nationally relevant.

We have lost all of the equity cal built. It's gone. And now we question whether pastner could realistically take a program to such a low point that it would be extremely difficult to rebuild.

He has a lot on his plate this year....People are watching him a lot more closely right now, and watching if that INvestment should continue or a change should come later down the pike....He has to Prove he can coach this year, and not by beating teams such as SC Upstate or even ORU for that matter....He has to beat on a Higher avg vs Top ranked teams period....We go to the Big 12, and he def better get his act together and fast....Start developing the younger guys period....Put Kuran Iverson at the 2 with Burrell at the 3 or vise versa, but play and develop your best talent and let them play and give them minutes and show you can coach.....So even if they curb Stomp ORU and most will be jumping up and down, But We will be Watching and waiting on to see if he can coach and beat more regularly vs Top Rank teams, now that he is in year 6.....University of Memphis, Delta's Team....The World Is Ours Memphis....

(12-20-2014 12:13 PM)tigerscane Wrote:  He has a lot on his plate this year....People are watching him a lot more closely right now, and watching if that INvestment should continue or a change should come later down the pike....He has to Prove he can coach this year, and not by beating teams such as SC Upstate or even ORU for that matter....He has to beat on a Higher avg vs Top ranked teams period....We go to the Big 12, and he def better get his act together and fast....Start developing the younger guys period....Put Kuran Iverson at the 2 with Burrell at the 3 or vise versa, but play and develop your best talent and let them play and give them minutes and show you can coach.....So even if they curb Stomp ORU and most will be jumping up and down, But We will be Watching and waiting on to see if he can coach and beat more regularly vs Top Rank teams, now that he is in year 6.....University of Memphis, Delta's Team....The World Is Ours Memphis....

Trueth

He's a good x and o coach. No doubt at all. He's a very hard worker. BUT, there's a disconnect with some "personalities" that have had trouble excelling under him. I believe he can overcome it and believe he will. Although, I will say that belief is certainly not as strong as iron.
His trouble is with communicating effectively enough to inspire correct execution

(12-20-2014 12:06 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 11:22 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 10:59 AM)tigeriron Wrote:  if there's resentment, it comes from the money made vs. the lack of wins, in my two cents worth. he's simply being paid at a level he's not at.. yet. will he eventually be worth the money? that's the million dollar question. if he was being paid less, I think folks could be more objective at the rate of improvement. I think as it is, when we locked him up, the fans felt like they got the shackles.

will the fans wait? that's sure lookin much different. the shortest distance between two points is a learning curve

It's not your money, so don't worry about it...

These types of responses completely miss the point. sure it's not his money. But it's his program. It's my program. Do you consider it your program? I'm sure you'd say yes.

No one faults pastner for making the money he makes. Everyone of us would agree to the same.

The point is, if our program is willing to invest that much money in a head coach, then there are, without a doubt, much better options that would produce better results on the court and keep our program nationally relevant.

We have lost all of the equity cal built. It's gone. And now we question whether pastner could realistically take a program to such a low point that it would be extremely difficult to rebuild.

What a bunch of drivel...the golden rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules.

When the ambassadors want him gone, he will be...til then, go to games, smile, clap, try to enjoy life a little.

I sure will in Miami...better head that way, you never know with TSA.

(12-20-2014 12:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:06 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 11:22 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 10:59 AM)tigeriron Wrote:  if there's resentment, it comes from the money made vs. the lack of wins, in my two cents worth. he's simply being paid at a level he's not at.. yet. will he eventually be worth the money? that's the million dollar question. if he was being paid less, I think folks could be more objective at the rate of improvement. I think as it is, when we locked him up, the fans felt like they got the shackles.

will the fans wait? that's sure lookin much different. the shortest distance between two points is a learning curve

It's not your money, so don't worry about it...

These types of responses completely miss the point. sure it's not his money. But it's his program. It's my program. Do you consider it your program? I'm sure you'd say yes.

No one faults pastner for making the money he makes. Everyone of us would agree to the same.

The point is, if our program is willing to invest that much money in a head coach, then there are, without a doubt, much better options that would produce better results on the court and keep our program nationally relevant.

We have lost all of the equity cal built. It's gone. And now we question whether pastner could realistically take a program to such a low point that it would be extremely difficult to rebuild.

What a bunch of drivel...the golden rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules.

When the ambassadors want him gone, he will be...til then, go to games, smile, clap, try to enjoy life a little.

I sure will in Miami...better head that way, you never know with TSA.

You apparently live a life where you think your opinion doesn't matter and you should just do as youre told.

We are different in that regard friend.

(12-20-2014 12:27 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:06 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 11:22 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 10:59 AM)tigeriron Wrote:  if there's resentment, it comes from the money made vs. the lack of wins, in my two cents worth. he's simply being paid at a level he's not at.. yet. will he eventually be worth the money? that's the million dollar question. if he was being paid less, I think folks could be more objective at the rate of improvement. I think as it is, when we locked him up, the fans felt like they got the shackles.

will the fans wait? that's sure lookin much different. the shortest distance between two points is a learning curve

It's not your money, so don't worry about it...

These types of responses completely miss the point. sure it's not his money. But it's his program. It's my program. Do you consider it your program? I'm sure you'd say yes.

No one faults pastner for making the money he makes. Everyone of us would agree to the same.

The point is, if our program is willing to invest that much money in a head coach, then there are, without a doubt, much better options that would produce better results on the court and keep our program nationally relevant.

We have lost all of the equity cal built. It's gone. And now we question whether pastner could realistically take a program to such a low point that it would be extremely difficult to rebuild.

What a bunch of drivel...the golden rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules.

When the ambassadors want him gone, he will be...til then, go to games, smile, clap, try to enjoy life a little.

I sure will in Miami...better head that way, you never know with TSA.

You apparently live a life where you think your opinion doesn't matter and you should just do as your told.

We are different in that regard friend.

You can have an opinion, but you also have zero way to enforce it...so the point of the hand-wringing is what?

(12-20-2014 12:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:27 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:06 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 11:22 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  It's not your money, so don't worry about it...

These types of responses completely miss the point. sure it's not his money. But it's his program. It's my program. Do you consider it your program? I'm sure you'd say yes.

No one faults pastner for making the money he makes. Everyone of us would agree to the same.

The point is, if our program is willing to invest that much money in a head coach, then there are, without a doubt, much better options that would produce better results on the court and keep our program nationally relevant.

We have lost all of the equity cal built. It's gone. And now we question whether pastner could realistically take a program to such a low point that it would be extremely difficult to rebuild.

What a bunch of drivel...the golden rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules.

When the ambassadors want him gone, he will be...til then, go to games, smile, clap, try to enjoy life a little.

I sure will in Miami...better head that way, you never know with TSA.

You apparently live a life where you think your opinion doesn't matter and you should just do as your told.

We are different in that regard friend.

You can have an opinion, but you also have zero way to enforce it...so the point of the hand-wringing is what?

I'm just glad you were able to remind us again before you left. Have a safe flight

(12-20-2014 12:34 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:27 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 12:06 PM)Malachi Wrote:  These types of responses completely miss the point. sure it's not his money. But it's his program. It's my program. Do you consider it your program? I'm sure you'd say yes.

No one faults pastner for making the money he makes. Everyone of us would agree to the same.

The point is, if our program is willing to invest that much money in a head coach, then there are, without a doubt, much better options that would produce better results on the court and keep our program nationally relevant.

We have lost all of the equity cal built. It's gone. And now we question whether pastner could realistically take a program to such a low point that it would be extremely difficult to rebuild.

What a bunch of drivel...the golden rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules.

When the ambassadors want him gone, he will be...til then, go to games, smile, clap, try to enjoy life a little.

I sure will in Miami...better head that way, you never know with TSA.

You apparently live a life where you think your opinion doesn't matter and you should just do as your told.

We are different in that regard friend.

You can have an opinion, but you also have zero way to enforce it...so the point of the hand-wringing is what?

I'm just glad you were able to remind us again before you left. Have a safe flight

I believe it's the safest way to travel...and fear not, my CSNbbs app works just fine on my iPhone...I've got a layover in beautiful Tampa and will try to catch some of the game.