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Dunn can only pay so much without pissing off every other successful coach, (Hawk, Munson, possibly Murray). When doing faculty negotiations, they'll use that against him as well.

The only solution to this is massive private funding..........Yes, the Acer, Stryker, some car dealer, Coaches Retention Fund

Of course, some massive structure will be named after them.

For smaller donors tiny pieces of Waldo will be embossed with their name.

For Example
The Chipdip Gatorade Bucket
The Todd Johnson Condom Despenser
The Ubish Urinal
The Hiller4Hizmen hot chocolate dispenser
The Kimbosucks Lot 88, dual purpose (puking and pissing) sewage drain

Endless fundraising possibilities here

(11-26-2014 09:59 AM)bronco89 Wrote:  Here we go....

KU coaching search: P.J. Fleck, youngest head coach in FBS
Let me start with a disclaimer: When I write about potential fits for the Kansas University football coaching job, which might not even come open if Clint Bowen shows he’s the best man for the job, I’m not saying athletic director Sheahon Zenger is considering the coach. I’m just turning over every stone as would any AD searching for a coach.


Today, let’s consider the profile of the youngest of the 128 Football Bowl Subdivision head coaches.




Western Michigan head coach P.J. Fleck watches during the first quarter of an NCAA college football game against Massachusetts at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Mass., Saturday, Oct. 26, 2013. (AP Photo/Stew Milne)
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His name is P.J. Fleck. He is 33. And his Western Michigan football team that went 1-11 in 2013, his first year, is 6-3 and in contention to win the Mid-American Conference title. Fleck is one of three former NFL players (South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier, Texas Tech’s Kliff Kingsbury heading an FBS program.


A wide receiver at Northern Illinois, from which he graduated in 2004, Fleck compiled one statistic as an NFL player when he returned a punt 10 yards for the 2004 San Francisco 49ers.


Enough about his playing career, it’s his fast rise as a coach that has generated headlines. He first worked as a graduate assistant for Jim Tressell at Ohio State in 2006. From there, he went to Northern Illinois and worked as wide receivers coach (2007-09) and recruiting coordinator (2009) and gained a reputation as an energetic, effective recruiter. Fleck spent the next two seasons working for Joe Novak for one season, current Minnesota coach Jerry Kill for two. Next, the ambitious Fleck went to work at Rutgers (2010-11) for Greg Schiano and followed Schiano to the NFL and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2012).


Western Michigan, a Mid-American Conference in Kalamazoo, hired Fleck on Dec. 18, 2012, charging him with the task of rebuilding the program. Nobody had any right to expect him to deliver this quickly.


Western Michigan ranks 37th in the nation with 457.1 yards of offense per game and 36th with 34.6 points per game.


Fleck turns 34 on Nov. 29, which seems awfully young to tackle a Big 12 job. Then again, Ara Parseghian was 32 when he left his MAC job at Miami of Ohio for Northwestern, Woody Hayes 36 when he left Miami for Ohio State and Glen Mason 37 when he left Kent State for Kansas. A native of Sugar Grove, Illinois, Fleck’s recruiting contacts are in Big Ten country, not Big 12, which didn’t stop Mason from doing well at Kansas.

You cannot win at Kansas and that job has been nothing more than a career killer for good coaches over the last 10 years.

(11-26-2014 10:58 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  You can up his pay all you want, but $ talks. If a P5 comes calling with a $2 million dollar annual salary, which teams like Illinois, Kansas, and others can offer without flinching, PJ's gone in a heartbeat and he probably takes half the current recruiting class with him. It's the way of the world in the MAC.

That's exactly why I keep saying we need to re-negotiate NOW in order to protect ourselves and maximize the buyout.

(11-26-2014 11:31 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 10:58 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  You can up his pay all you want, but $ talks. If a P5 comes calling with a $2 million dollar annual salary, which teams like Illinois, Kansas, and others can offer without flinching, PJ's gone in a heartbeat and he probably takes half the current recruiting class with him. It's the way of the world in the MAC.

That's exactly why I keep saying we need to re-negotiate NOW in order to protect ourselves and maximize the buyout.

If he's fielding offers already, which is likely given the nature of college football, there's no way in **** he or his agent will even bother to sit down and discuss it at this point. Not this late in the season. You're stuck with whatever it currently sits at.

(11-26-2014 11:29 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  You cannot win at Kansas and that job has been nothing more than a career killer for good coaches over the last 10 years.

Why not? Snyder has done it at Kansas State. Same could have been said about places like Duke, Stanford, Baylor, Notre Dame, and even MSU... but if you get the right guy, things can change.

(11-26-2014 11:35 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 11:29 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  You cannot win at Kansas and that job has been nothing more than a career killer for good coaches over the last 10 years.

Why not? Snyder has done it at Kansas State. Same could have been said about places like Duke, Stanford, Baylor, Notre Dame, and even MSU... but if you get the right guy, things can change.

Jabba the coach mangino won before he got ran off. PJ could win there no question. Farmers alliance would have greater meaning there.

(11-26-2014 01:52 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 11:35 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 11:29 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  You cannot win at Kansas and that job has been nothing more than a career killer for good coaches over the last 10 years.

Why not? Snyder has done it at Kansas State. Same could have been said about places like Duke, Stanford, Baylor, Notre Dame, and even MSU... but if you get the right guy, things can change.

Jabba the coach mangino won before he got ran off. PJ could win there no question. Farmers alliance would have greater meaning there.

One of the big issues with the Farmers Alliance was the establishment of the income tax. They hated it

The purposes of the Farmers' Alliance was to find a remedy for every evil known to exist and afflict farmers and other producers, and in the future should cover every contingency that may arise, presenting evil to be combatted by means of organization; they are accumulative and ever changing, as the enemy assumes a new guise.

That covers a broad range of people, from the KKK to the American Red Cross. Hopefully the players don't look up the history of this organization.

(11-26-2014 11:34 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 11:31 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 10:58 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  You can up his pay all you want, but $ talks. If a P5 comes calling with a $2 million dollar annual salary, which teams like Illinois, Kansas, and others can offer without flinching, PJ's gone in a heartbeat and he probably takes half the current recruiting class with him. It's the way of the world in the MAC.

That's exactly why I keep saying we need to re-negotiate NOW in order to protect ourselves and maximize the buyout.

If he's fielding offers already, which is likely given the nature of college football, there's no way in **** he or his agent will even bother to sit down and discuss it at this point. Not this late in the season. You're stuck with whatever it currently sits at.

Interesting...what you have said about taking recruits with him when he leaves. I have been saying this for awhile now with our 2015 class. IMO If he doesn't take them with him, many of the 3 star kids who had multiple offers will start to look elsewhere. Trying not to compare us to the ScUMs in AA but take a look at whats going on with their 2015 class and Brady is still coaching.

(11-26-2014 05:17 PM)Cant make this sh t up Wrote:  Interesting...what you have said about taking recruits with him when he leaves. I have been saying this for awhile now with our 2015 class. IMO If he doesn't take them with him, many of the 3 star kids who had multiple offers will start to look elsewhere. Trying not to compare us to the ScUMs in AA but take a look at whats going on with their 2015 class and Brady is still coaching.

Brady may still be coaching, but everyone knows he is a dead man walking on the UM sidelines.

Another old saying - "No athletic director holds office longer than two losing football coaches."

The Kansas AD struck out big with Weis (can't remember if he was there to hire Gill). He just may be willing to gamble on Fleck and his unique personality-methods to ignite interest in KU football.

PJ will be on our sidelines for the next couple years now. He really needed to show out on national television to get hired away. This is exactly what happened to Cubit in Hillers last year? When NIU beat us the last game of the season.

I was so shocked at the play calling in the second half. It was like we had a total new person calling plays. We played not to lose and the three runs from inside our own 10 with the lead all runs up the middle. Did Davis touch the ball the last 25 min of the game?

Great season but sour way to finish. Seemed like same old western.

The opinions I state after a wmu loss should not be held against this poster.

(11-28-2014 02:30 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  PJ will be on our sidelines for the next couple years now. He really needed to show out on national television to get hired away. This is exactly what happened to Cubit in Hillers last year? When NIU beat us the last game of the season.

I was so shocked at the play calling in the second half. It was like we had a total new person calling plays. We played not to lose and the three runs from inside our own 10 with the lead all runs up the middle. Did Davis touch the ball the last 25 min of the game?

Great season but sour way to finish. Seemed like same old western.

The opinions I state after a wmu loss should not be held against this poster.

Did seem like WMU went way to conservative play calling wise in the 2nd half. I get what he was trying to do that first drive. They were basically trying to take the will of the Huskies away by running the ball right down their throat all the way down the field. Unfortunately, didn't work. The rest of the 2nd half though was just terrible. Don't understand what they were trying to do.

I'm already over it.

They will get some valuable extra practice time now.

(11-28-2014 02:30 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  Did Davis touch the ball the last 25 min of the game?

This is what I was wondering about, as well.

Corey Davis contributed to that interception by stopping his route.

I think one of the disappointing things is that it seemed like WMU just didn't have any energy on their sidelines for some reason in the 2nd half. Which is strange because their mindset has been excellent all season

They heard the EMU vs Toledo score?

Could've been that PJ got word that he's got the Kansas job already

But seriously, good game guys.

(11-28-2014 02:36 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  Corey Davis contributed to that interception by stopping his route.

I think one of the disappointing things is that it seemed like WMU just didn't have any energy on their sidelines for some reason in the 2nd half. Which is strange because their mindset has been excellent all season

He did stop the route but it was already jumped. Good scouting by NIU. That corner makes the play either way. But Corey should have taken him out.

(11-28-2014 02:36 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  I think one of the disappointing things is that it seemed like WMU just didn't have any energy on their sidelines for some reason in the 2nd half. Which is strange because their mindset has been excellent all season

Exactly what I've been alluding to. They looked flat.

Perhaps we let the thought that they would just pick up where they left off in the first half creep into their minds. Didn't realize that the NIU D would be much better after half. Perhaps they had some 'doubt' creeping in.

I thought it strange, too as our guys have been pretty good keeping their heads in the game all year. The conservative play calling might have affected them, as well. Got away from attack mode.

Just spitballing here. That second half was certainly uncharacteristic of the team this season.

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Saw that happen in real time when John L Sullivan took the MSU game. Players found out at half. Louisville got crushed in the 2nd half, much like........OH WAIT!!!!

(11-28-2014 02:42 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Could've been that PJ got word that he's got the Kansas job already

But seriously, good game guys.

Make that pick smaller. Its killing my screen every time you post.lol