(10-19-2014 09:12 AM)fedale Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:54 AM)owl40 Wrote:  Marshall has a great team. They have had a great season. Herd should be congratulated for what they have done.

Too bad the AD scheduled the 125th out of 128th hardest schedule in FBS. That is something out of the control of the players. Maybe i have missed it but don't see the Herd fans with any outrage towards him or why that was allowed to happen.

No posts or threads can 'spin it' any other way than it is/was an easy schedule. It is what it is. The optics of ECU beating a Va Tech team that lost again trumps all the Herd blowouts of bad/mediocre teams. I was flamed for saying that the majority of P5 FBS teams plus a few non P5 would be undefeated right now playing the same schedule. Probably not all by same margin of victory but point is that when you are in non-P5, you have to play a few P5 games. Nobody will know how good the Herd team really is. They are clearly the class of the conference but no signature W's so they will not get the props they deserve. Feel bad for some really talented players on that team.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2014/08/phil-...-rankings/

Our AD scheduled a good USM team, a regional rival in Ohio and Miami OH, a decent Akron team, ECU, UCF, Louisville.

We were given 3 crappy MAC teams, a terrible USM, Old Dominion, FIU, FAU, and Rhode Island instead.

Please explain the part I put in bold as I don't understand how your AD scheduled USM when we are in the same conference

(10-19-2014 10:26 AM)fedale Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 10:09 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Losing by 13 to MSU doesn't mean ****. I wish people would stop with that. We were down 3 scored most of the second half, and they were never in danger of losing that game. We destroyed them with some long balls that we haven't seen since. In also sure they had a very vanilla game plan. Dak got 5 yards any time he wanted against us. But the bottom line is we lost. I don't like moral victories.

I'm not selling my team short, I am telling it like it is. You think we are going to go take Arkansas down this week? And they are what, 10th or so in the sec? Nobody in our conference beat a power 5 team this year. Zero. And we had many, many opportunities. Im not buying into the last place team in power 5 conferences can beat any G5 team, but I am saying their top half could win every game on your schedule.

Don't worry.

I wish someone better than UAB was on our schedule, too.

I don't know if you are trying to offend me, but I am well aware of what a dumpster fire our program is. I wish we were better this year for your sake too. It is great for the entire conference to have a relevant team or two.

(10-19-2014 10:39 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Basketball games are scheduled by the coaches. All they did was move the game for free, and hamrick wet himself at the opportunity. Pitt, and State definitely care about friendships right? Debbie only schedules crappy G5 schools, not sure if take that as a compliment. You tout Pitt and State like they're SEC teams. State eternally sucks, and Pitt is having their year of the century. You have beat them in once in 10 years, and if you think Louisville was good before 2007ish you need to go home.

Louisville won Cusa in 2000, 2001, and 2004. From 2000 through 2006, they went to 7 straight bowl games including a win at the Orange Bowl in 2006 when they went 12-1.

They went 82-30 from 1998-2006.

(10-19-2014 11:18 AM)usm99 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:12 AM)fedale Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:54 AM)owl40 Wrote:  Marshall has a great team. They have had a great season. Herd should be congratulated for what they have done.

Too bad the AD scheduled the 125th out of 128th hardest schedule in FBS. That is something out of the control of the players. Maybe i have missed it but don't see the Herd fans with any outrage towards him or why that was allowed to happen.

No posts or threads can 'spin it' any other way than it is/was an easy schedule. It is what it is. The optics of ECU beating a Va Tech team that lost again trumps all the Herd blowouts of bad/mediocre teams. I was flamed for saying that the majority of P5 FBS teams plus a few non P5 would be undefeated right now playing the same schedule. Probably not all by same margin of victory but point is that when you are in non-P5, you have to play a few P5 games. Nobody will know how good the Herd team really is. They are clearly the class of the conference but no signature W's so they will not get the props they deserve. Feel bad for some really talented players on that team.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2014/08/phil-...-rankings/

Our AD scheduled a good USM team, a regional rival in Ohio and Miami OH, a decent Akron team, ECU, UCF, Louisville.

We were given 3 crappy MAC teams, a terrible USM, Old Dominion, FIU, FAU, and Rhode Island instead.

Please explain the part I put in bold as I don't understand how your AD scheduled USM when we are in the same conference

(10-19-2014 07:53 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 07:19 AM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  Don't break your arm jerking yourself off!

Not what this is about.

Aren't road games tougher than home games? I'd like to see consistency from critics of Marshall's schedule. Where is their criticism of teams that avoid road games?

Top 5 Notre Dame just played their first road game last night. They lost.

Marshall has gone on the road 4 times and won them all. If Marshall wins them all, they'll be the only team with six road wins.

P5 schools, think it would be easy to go undefeated with Marshall's schedule? Think you can't lose a game at some place like Akron? Try it sometime.

Actually ND played at Syracuse on 9/27. All night the talking heads kept saying "this is Notre Dame's first true road game. Apparently they have no more trouble disrespecting non-power Power 5 teams than they do G5 teams.

(10-19-2014 07:15 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  The Marshall University Thundering Herd is the only team in the nation with 4 road wins.

(10-19-2014 07:19 AM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  Don't break your arm jerking yourself off!

Dont mind the trolling post by some herdfans...

(10-19-2014 09:26 AM)fedale Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:15 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  The Louisville game was out of their control. I think that is why the AD isn't catching crap.

I agree with you that many p5 teams would roll through that schedule though. I'd say at least half could make it through undefeated.

I have always said their is something to being undefeated though. If the p5 teams keep dropping, it's going to be very interesting to see where Marshall and ECU enter the equation. I'm sure they will at least be discussed by the selection committee.

P5 schools lose to G5 all the time... I don't think "more than half" would go 12-0 against our schedule.

This. It is not easy to go undefeated. In any conference at any level. I am surprised at the lack of understanding of what an undefeated season really means. You have to be a GREAT team to ever sniff being undefeated.... not good. Great.


We had a 5% chance to go undefeated prior to game one according to the espn math gurus. Even now it is around a 50% chance. It is not easy.

(10-19-2014 11:32 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 10:39 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Basketball games are scheduled by the coaches. All they did was move the game for free, and hamrick wet himself at the opportunity. Pitt, and State definitely care about friendships right? Debbie only schedules crappy G5 schools, not sure if take that as a compliment. You tout Pitt and State like they're SEC teams. State eternally sucks, and Pitt is having their year of the century. You have beat them in once in 10 years, and if you think Louisville was good before 2007ish you need to go home.

Louisville won Cusa in 2000, 2001, and 2004. From 2000 through 2006, they went to 7 straight bowl games including a win at the Orange Bowl in 2006 when they went 12-1.

They went 82-30 from 1998-2006.

You're right, I was just referring to the years Marshall beat them. (2002 also One of Marshall's best teams ever, and 1998, both years they had mediocre teams.) I should've clarified.

(10-19-2014 12:59 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:26 AM)fedale Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:15 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  The Louisville game was out of their control. I think that is why the AD isn't catching crap.

I agree with you that many p5 teams would roll through that schedule though. I'd say at least half could make it through undefeated.

I have always said their is something to being undefeated though. If the p5 teams keep dropping, it's going to be very interesting to see where Marshall and ECU enter the equation. I'm sure they will at least be discussed by the selection committee.

P5 schools lose to G5 all the time... I don't think "more than half" would go 12-0 against our schedule.

This. It is not easy to go undefeated. In any conference at any level. I am surprised at the lack of understanding of what an undefeated season really means. You have to be a GREAT team to ever sniff being undefeated.... not good. Great.


We had a 5% chance to go undefeated prior to game one according to the espn math gurus. Even now it is around a 50% chance. It is not easy.

Northern Illinois was not a great team a few years ago. Sometimes a weak schedule is a weak schedule.

(10-19-2014 01:24 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 11:32 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 10:39 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Basketball games are scheduled by the coaches. All they did was move the game for free, and hamrick wet himself at the opportunity. Pitt, and State definitely care about friendships right? Debbie only schedules crappy G5 schools, not sure if take that as a compliment. You tout Pitt and State like they're SEC teams. State eternally sucks, and Pitt is having their year of the century. You have beat them in once in 10 years, and if you think Louisville was good before 2007ish you need to go home.

Louisville won Cusa in 2000, 2001, and 2004. From 2000 through 2006, they went to 7 straight bowl games including a win at the Orange Bowl in 2006 when they went 12-1.

They went 82-30 from 1998-2006.

You're right, I was just referring to the years Marshall beat them. (2002 also One of Marshall's best teams ever, and 1998, both years they had mediocre teams.) I should've clarified.

In 2002, Louisville beat Florida State. Marshall beat them with a QB playing with a broken leg, 38-15. That Marshall team was not very good defensively.

Louisville shared the Big East title in 2011. Marshall beat them in their house.

Marshall was I-AA and beat Louisville there.

Marshall has beat them in four stadiums (old Cardinal Stadium at the Fairgrounds, Silverdome, Mobile, and Papa John's).

Just wanted to clarify.

(10-19-2014 09:35 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I also said at least half, not more than half. Way to quote that. And if you don't want to believe it, that's fine. I'm not going to sit here and argue over something that you don't want to see or hear. Bottom line is all you can do is win the games on your schedule. Unfortunately, that probably won't be enough.

You realize that the difference between "at least half" and "more than half" is only one team, right? ...and that's assuming an even number of teams. If there are an odd number, the two are synonymous unless we decide to play football with half teams! (I know some teams are really lacking in offense or defense, but I'm not sure if that counts as half a team.)

I couldn't care less about the schedule debate, but the math nerd (math Nazi? Is that a thing?) in me felt compelled to point that out!



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(10-19-2014 09:45 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  It's not f'ing brainwashing, it's having a brain. I didn't say these teams could beat Marshall, I said they could beat the teams on marshalls schedule. Your schedule sucks, I'm sorry if that offends you. I think you guys have a great team, but don't get to prove it. At the end of the year is you big win going to be Akron?

(10-19-2014 10:09 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Losing by 13 to MSU doesn't mean ****. I wish people would stop with that. We were down 3 scored most of the second half, and they were never in danger of losing that game. We destroyed them with some long balls that we haven't seen since. In also sure they had a very vanilla game plan. Dak got 5 yards any time he wanted against us. But the bottom line is we lost. I don't like moral victories.

I'm not selling my team short, I am telling it like it is. You think we are going to go take Arkansas down this week? And they are what, 10th or so in the sec? Nobody in our conference beat a power 5 team this year. Zero. And we had many, many opportunities. Im not buying into the last place team in power 5 conferences can beat any G5 team, but I am saying their top half could win every game on your schedule.

(10-19-2014 01:36 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 12:59 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:26 AM)fedale Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:15 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  The Louisville game was out of their control. I think that is why the AD isn't catching crap.

I agree with you that many p5 teams would roll through that schedule though. I'd say at least half could make it through undefeated.

I have always said their is something to being undefeated though. If the p5 teams keep dropping, it's going to be very interesting to see where Marshall and ECU enter the equation. I'm sure they will at least be discussed by the selection committee.

P5 schools lose to G5 all the time... I don't think "more than half" would go 12-0 against our schedule.

This. It is not easy to go undefeated. In any conference at any level. I am surprised at the lack of understanding of what an undefeated season really means. You have to be a GREAT team to ever sniff being undefeated.... not good. Great.


We had a 5% chance to go undefeated prior to game one according to the espn math gurus. Even now it is around a 50% chance. It is not easy.

Northern Illinois was not a great team a few years ago. Sometimes a weak schedule is a weak schedule.

Last i checked, they did not go undefeated that season. Further proving the point of how difficult it is and how only great teams do it. Had they won their bowl, they would have been GREAT.

(10-19-2014 01:51 PM)EdM Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:35 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I also said at least half, not more than half. Way to quote that. And if you don't want to believe it, that's fine. I'm not going to sit here and argue over something that you don't want to see or hear. Bottom line is all you can do is win the games on your schedule. Unfortunately, that probably won't be enough.

You realize that the difference between "at least half" and "more than half" is only one team, right? ...and that's assuming an even number of teams. If there are an odd number, the two are synonymous unless we decide to play football with half teams! (I know some teams are really lacking in offense or defense, but I'm not sure if that counts as half a team.)

I couldn't care less about the schedule debate, but the math nerd (math Nazi? Is that a thing?) in me felt compelled to point that out!



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I do. I too am a math nerd, so got it. I have no idea what the acc has at this point, but every other p5 conference has even numbers. And I understand it's one game, but if you are going to quote me, and show my quote, at least do it right.

(10-19-2014 12:35 PM)paintedblue Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 07:53 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 07:19 AM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  Don't break your arm jerking yourself off!

Not what this is about.

Aren't road games tougher than home games? I'd like to see consistency from critics of Marshall's schedule. Where is their criticism of teams that avoid road games?

Top 5 Notre Dame just played their first road game last night. They lost.

Marshall has gone on the road 4 times and won them all. If Marshall wins them all, they'll be the only team with six road wins.

P5 schools, think it would be easy to go undefeated with Marshall's schedule? Think you can't lose a game at some place like Akron? Try it sometime.

Actually ND played at Syracuse on 9/27. All night the talking heads kept saying "this is Notre Dame's first true road game. Apparently they have no more trouble disrespecting non-power Power 5 teams than they do G5 teams.

Notre Dame did not play AT Syracuse...game was at East Rutherford, NJ. Notre Dame has played exactly one game at an opponent's home stadium so far.

Notre Dame has 6 games in South Bend, 3 neutral site games, and 3 true away games (still has Arizona State and USC away) in 2014.

(10-19-2014 07:19 AM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  Don't break your arm jerking yourself off!

Whiniest fan base Ive ever encountered. No wonder WKU hates you so much, Stick Im sure doesn't give a #%^ what you think either.

(10-19-2014 03:33 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 01:51 PM)EdM Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:35 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I also said at least half, not more than half. Way to quote that. And if you don't want to believe it, that's fine. I'm not going to sit here and argue over something that you don't want to see or hear. Bottom line is all you can do is win the games on your schedule. Unfortunately, that probably won't be enough.

You realize that the difference between "at least half" and "more than half" is only one team, right? ...and that's assuming an even number of teams. If there are an odd number, the two are synonymous unless we decide to play football with half teams! (I know some teams are really lacking in offense or defense, but I'm not sure if that counts as half a team.)

I couldn't care less about the schedule debate, but the math nerd (math Nazi? Is that a thing?) in me felt compelled to point that out!



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I do. I too am a math nerd, so got it. I have no idea what the acc has at this point, but every other p5 conference has even numbers. And I understand it's one game, but if you are going to quote me, and show my quote, at least do it right.

Wow. Bitter much? I thought it was pretty clear that I was just being playful. I was only attempting to inject a little levity into the thread. Not all of us Marshall guys subscribe to the aggressive chest-thumping mentality.

I am curious, though. How did I not "do it right"? Maybe I'm just a little dense (at my age, it wouldn't be the first time), but I really have no idea what you're talking about with that statement.

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(10-19-2014 05:12 PM)EdM Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 03:33 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 01:51 PM)EdM Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:35 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I also said at least half, not more than half. Way to quote that. And if you don't want to believe it, that's fine. I'm not going to sit here and argue over something that you don't want to see or hear. Bottom line is all you can do is win the games on your schedule. Unfortunately, that probably won't be enough.

You realize that the difference between "at least half" and "more than half" is only one team, right? ...and that's assuming an even number of teams. If there are an odd number, the two are synonymous unless we decide to play football with half teams! (I know some teams are really lacking in offense or defense, but I'm not sure if that counts as half a team.)

I couldn't care less about the schedule debate, but the math nerd (math Nazi? Is that a thing?) in me felt compelled to point that out!



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I do. I too am a math nerd, so got it. I have no idea what the acc has at this point, but every other p5 conference has even numbers. And I understand it's one game, but if you are going to quote me, and show my quote, at least do it right.

Wow. Bitter much? I thought it was pretty clear that I was just being playful. I was only attempting to inject a little levity into the thread. Not all of us Marshall guys subscribe to the aggressive chest-thumping mentality.

I am curious, though. How did I not "do out right"? Maybe I'm just a little dense (at my age, it wouldn't be the first time), but I really have no idea what you're talking about with that statement.

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If you don't phrase your response in a very delicate way, in such that no one could possibly infer that you don't agree with 99, then you are wrong and did not do it right.

(10-19-2014 05:12 PM)EdM Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 03:33 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 01:51 PM)EdM Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:35 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I also said at least half, not more than half. Way to quote that. And if you don't want to believe it, that's fine. I'm not going to sit here and argue over something that you don't want to see or hear. Bottom line is all you can do is win the games on your schedule. Unfortunately, that probably won't be enough.

You realize that the difference between "at least half" and "more than half" is only one team, right? ...and that's assuming an even number of teams. If there are an odd number, the two are synonymous unless we decide to play football with half teams! (I know some teams are really lacking in offense or defense, but I'm not sure if that counts as half a team.)

I couldn't care less about the schedule debate, but the math nerd (math Nazi? Is that a thing?) in me felt compelled to point that out!



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I do. I too am a math nerd, so got it. I have no idea what the acc has at this point, but every other p5 conference has even numbers. And I understand it's one game, but if you are going to quote me, and show my quote, at least do it right.

Wow. Bitter much? I thought it was pretty clear that I was just being playful. I was only attempting to inject a little levity into the thread. Not all of us Marshall guys subscribe to the aggressive chest-thumping mentality.

I am curious, though. How did I not "do out right"? Maybe I'm just a little dense (at my age, it wouldn't be the first time), but I really have no idea what you're talking about with that statement.

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He has you confused with someone else I'm pretty sure.

(10-19-2014 12:35 PM)paintedblue Wrote:  Actually ND played at Syracuse on 9/27.

Well, I mean, no they didn't.

There's a lot of replies to this thread. None of them address the main point.

P5 teams play far less road games than G5 teams, yet they claim they play tougher schedules.

Thoughts? Please discuss.