(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)FastTheo Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

While I agree with the 'locked out' thing, I think there are some financial questions that come up. ECU/UNC/NCSU are all but guaranteed sellouts, with our 50k being the lowest attendance number. IIRC, both ASU and Charlotte seat 30k. As a fan, I have no issue with playing either team. We scheduled a home/home with Marshall (in 2021), and Ibdoubt the revenue there would be much more than ASU/Charlotte, if at all.

I will say, I see no issue for ECU working on Guarantee Games with these schools and getting 7 home games annually just like UNC and NCSU try to do. I would not be surprised if the ADs at UNC and NCSU let the series die after these 3 year contracts end. It is not like ECU needs these games anymore. ECU basically has proven they can get H/H with P5s. From the UNC and NCSU, the only ones who anything to gain is ECU. And they have done well! I don't see ECU being eager to play at ASU or Charlotte and help those programs prove themselves. I would love to see ECU vs NCSU or UNC at neutral site games every few years. It appears ECU is on the cusp of a great season and establishing what they always dreamed of in football. I will be the first to say, no school has worked harder to accomplish while having to fight against a major conference presence.

If they get the BBALL in order, I think when they B12 expands, they will be prime candidates. It appears Lebo may have that started and the AAC is a great BBall conference to prove itself.

However, I will still be cheering for UCF and Cincy to end your dream season.

(09-15-2014 07:26 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:54 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

Stadiums not comparable, too much lost revenue.

Funny, I remember when ECU was upset about UNC and NCSU using the same argument.

We didn't get 1v1 until our stadiums got to be comparable sizes

Uh no, it was basically that NCSU was trying to get the funding for the arena and the Eastern Delegation "encouraged" NCSU to play home and home with you all to get the votes for the funding. I will say, we did drag UNC into playing you by saying why does NCSU have to play them and not UNC. It was called politics, not stadium size that got these series to be played. Not that I blame ECU, it was a great move.

(09-15-2014 07:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)FastTheo Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

While I agree with the 'locked out' thing, I think there are some financial questions that come up. ECU/UNC/NCSU are all but guaranteed sellouts, with our 50k being the lowest attendance number. IIRC, both ASU and Charlotte seat 30k. As a fan, I have no issue with playing either team. We scheduled a home/home with Marshall (in 2021), and Ibdoubt the revenue there would be much more than ASU/Charlotte, if at all.

I will say, I see no issue for ECU working on Guarantee Games with these schools and getting 7 home games annually just like UNC and NCSU try to do. I would not be surprised if the ADs at UNC and NCSU let the series die after these 3 year contracts end. It is not like ECU needs these games anymore. ECU basically has proven they can get H/H with P5s. From the UNC and NCSU, the only ones who anything to gain is ECU. And they have done well! I don't see ECU being eager to play at ASU or Charlotte and help those programs prove themselves. I would love to see ECU vs NCSU or UNC at neutral site games every few years. It appears ECU is on the cusp of a great season and establishing what they always dreamed of in football. I will be the first to say, no school has worked harder to accomplish while having to fight against a major conference presence.

If they get the BBALL in order, I think when they B12 expands, they will be prime candidates. It appears Lebo may have that started and the AAC is a great BBall conference to prove itself.

However, I will still be cheering for UCF and Cincy to end your dream season.

I agree, I can see both series dying off, which would be unfortunate. Again, leaving the dollars and cents out of it, I love in-state games. Heck, I wish we could have kept Duke and WF on the schedule after 2005. In regards to the 'we have nothing to gain' argument, how is scheduling East Carolina different than scheduling USF (other than a possible recruiting impact)?

I'll be cheering for Wake to end your dream season

(09-15-2014 07:37 PM)FastTheo Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)FastTheo Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

While I agree with the 'locked out' thing, I think there are some financial questions that come up. ECU/UNC/NCSU are all but guaranteed sellouts, with our 50k being the lowest attendance number. IIRC, both ASU and Charlotte seat 30k. As a fan, I have no issue with playing either team. We scheduled a home/home with Marshall (in 2021), and Ibdoubt the revenue there would be much more than ASU/Charlotte, if at all.

I will say, I see no issue for ECU working on Guarantee Games with these schools and getting 7 home games annually just like UNC and NCSU try to do. I would not be surprised if the ADs at UNC and NCSU let the series die after these 3 year contracts end. It is not like ECU needs these games anymore. ECU basically has proven they can get H/H with P5s. From the UNC and NCSU, the only ones who anything to gain is ECU. And they have done well! I don't see ECU being eager to play at ASU or Charlotte and help those programs prove themselves. I would love to see ECU vs NCSU or UNC at neutral site games every few years. It appears ECU is on the cusp of a great season and establishing what they always dreamed of in football. I will be the first to say, no school has worked harder to accomplish while having to fight against a major conference presence.

If they get the BBALL in order, I think when they B12 expands, they will be prime candidates. It appears Lebo may have that started and the AAC is a great BBall conference to prove itself.

However, I will still be cheering for UCF and Cincy to end your dream season.

I agree, I can see both series dying off, which would be unfortunate. Again, leaving the dollars and cents out of it, I love in-state games. Heck, I wish we could have kept Duke and WF on the schedule after 2005. In regards to the 'we have nothing to gain' argument, how is scheduling East Carolina different than scheduling USF (other than a possible recruiting impact)?

I'll be cheering for Wake to end your dream season

I would expect not expect otherwise.

(09-15-2014 07:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)FastTheo Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

While I agree with the 'locked out' thing, I think there are some financial questions that come up. ECU/UNC/NCSU are all but guaranteed sellouts, with our 50k being the lowest attendance number. IIRC, both ASU and Charlotte seat 30k. As a fan, I have no issue with playing either team. We scheduled a home/home with Marshall (in 2021), and Ibdoubt the revenue there would be much more than ASU/Charlotte, if at all.

I will say, I see no issue for ECU working on Guarantee Games with these schools and getting 7 home games annually just like UNC and NCSU try to do. I would not be surprised if the ADs at UNC and NCSU let the series die after these 3 year contracts end. It is not like ECU needs these games anymore. ECU basically has proven they can get H/H with P5s. From the UNC and NCSU, the only ones who anything to gain is ECU. And they have done well! I don't see ECU being eager to play at ASU or Charlotte and help those programs prove themselves. I would love to see ECU vs NCSU or UNC at neutral site games every few years. It appears ECU is on the cusp of a great season and establishing what they always dreamed of in football. I will be the first to say, no school has worked harder to accomplish while having to fight against a major conference presence.

If they get the BBALL in order, I think when they B12 expands, they will be prime candidates. It appears Lebo may have that started and the AAC is a great BBall conference to prove itself.

However, I will still be cheering for UCF and Cincy to end your dream season.

The series ending would be unfortunate for us IMO. I really don't see a lot of P5's playing H&H with us down the road. Nothing to do with us, but moreso the pressure to play other P5's. Why schedule a H&H with ECU when they can schedule one with any of the ACC teams in NC? Especially for ACC teams (I really don't get the VT series). A win would be "a win over a P5" and a loss wouldn't turn into "X team SHOCKED by ECU!" or "ECU STUNS y team!!!"

UNC and NCSU will not stop playing ECU. They will be threatened again by the same bill that was proposed in the 1990's. Don't think for second that card is off the table. Every year, our people put on the general assembly's calendar. And, yes it has the votes to pass. It would make ECUvUNC and ECUvNCSU permeant yearly H&H.

(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:54 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

Stadiums not comparable, too much lost revenue.

Funny, I remember when ECU was upset about UNC and NCSU using the same argument.

That makes you sound like you are 15 years old, and unable to look up the history of the series.

The first NON-Raleigh meeting occurred in Atlanta. That was the 19th meeting.

It took until the 22nd meeting for NCSUX to come to Greenville.

Same thing for Crappy Hill. It was the 10th meeting before they came to Greenville in 2003.

Both occurrences we were north of 43k. Happy Appy and UNCC have a long time before they get within 15k of our stadium.

Wait, why are we even explaining this to you? I am over it.

(09-15-2014 03:05 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 02:45 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Ruff's not looking to start over. He's got his foundation built.

Same could be said for coaches Connors and Doll, both of whom have already come "home". I'll throw DC Smith in this category too.

I fully expect Lincoln Riley to move on, most likely back to Texas, but would be pleasantly surprised if he stays.

Fact is, he (Lincoln) WILL leave eventually... he's young, and getting a lot of attention. Unless he's waiting out Ruff for the HC job here. Ruff hopefully has a lot of years left as our HC, and I don't think Lincoln will wait that long to take the reigns. His heart is in Texas, anyway. But for the time being... I love having both of them in Greenville!!

Yeah, Riley is getting some ink in Houston. He would definitely get consideration if our season goes south. A lot of Coog fans would love to get back to some type of Air Raid offense. Many of us are not sure what offense we are running now.

(09-15-2014 08:41 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  UNC and NCSU will not stop playing ECU. They will be threatened again by the same bill that was proposed in the 1990's. Don't think for second that card is off the table. Every year, our people put on the general assembly's calendar. And, yes it has the votes to pass. It would make ECUvUNC and ECUvNCSU permeant yearly H&H.

You forget that ECU was the only other FBS team in 1990. Now you have ASU & Charlotte. How will you be able to force games and not include them? What the GA is going to force UNC, NCSU, ECU, ASU and Charlotte to all play each other? Do you see western politicians not trying to get this for their FBS schools as well? Also, what is the carrot, NCSU has the PNC. Very unlikely such a bill will pass. I mean does ECU want to be forced to ASU and Charlotte by the GA?

(09-15-2014 08:53 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:54 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

Stadiums not comparable, too much lost revenue.

Funny, I remember when ECU was upset about UNC and NCSU using the same argument.

That makes you sound like you are 15 years old, and unable to look up the history of the series.

The first NON-Raleigh meeting occurred in Atlanta. That was the 19th meeting.

It took until the 22nd meeting for NCSUX to come to Greenville.

Same thing for Crappy Hill. It was the 10th meeting before they came to Greenville in 2003.

Both occurrences we were north of 43k. Happy Appy and UNCC have a long time before they get within 15k of our stadium.

Trust me, I have been watching ECU play at State since 83. I remember you winning Raleigh and storming the NCSU field. Also, remember when NCSU helped you all out during the Hurricane and let you play Miami at Carter-Finley. A great win by ECU, NCSU thanks, you all stormed the field again and caused damage. Atlanta was the Peach Bowl. As I stated earlier, the H/H only came about because Eastern Politicians threatened funding for then Centennial Center. Please don't act like ECU has been angels and had nothing to do when the series got put on Hiatus. How often do you see visiting teams fans damage the away teams field. Granted that was over 20 years ago but it was not like ECU did not have a part in NCSU not playing them until the Peach Bowl which was a great game. ECU had a great comeback, I was there and remember when we were up 17 pts. I told the ECU fan next to me, we need another touchdown. He asked if I was trying to rub it in? I said no, 17 pts were not enough to ensure a win against Blake and ECU. Damn, I hate when I am right.

(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:54 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

Stadiums not comparable, too much lost revenue.

Funny, I remember when ECU was upset about UNC and NCSU using the same argument.

ECU's stadium is double the size of App and triple the size of UNCC. The gap has never been that large between ECU and NCSU/UNC in terms of number of seats (and in turn profit). The main reason that was ever an issue was because the athletic dpt. at ECU knew that we as a fanbase would travel (and vise versa) and make money for everyone when NCSU/ECU and UNC/ECU matchups are played

(09-15-2014 09:12 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:54 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

Stadiums not comparable, too much lost revenue.

Funny, I remember when ECU was upset about UNC and NCSU using the same argument. :nono:

ECU's stadium is double the size of App and triple the size of UNCC. The gap has never been that large between ECU and NCSU/UNC in terms of number of seats (and in turn profit). The main reason that was ever an issue was because the athletic dpt. at ECU knew that we as a fanbase would travel (and vise versa) and make money for everyone when NCSU/ECU and UNC/ECU matchups are played

I hate to do this, but you do realize it was not until 1998 until you hit 40K at your stadium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowdy%E2%80...en_Stadium I do remember being at the ECU vs NCSU game when it nearly 60K and the hill was still there. I will say that was the first and last time I ever sat on hill for a State Game. Too many drunks and fights by both sides. I will never forget when the Public Safety officer slammed a Drunk ECU fan in the cement bleacher wall. That game made me anti lawn seats for any event for the rest of my life.

(09-15-2014 09:20 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 09:12 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:54 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I do have one question, will ECU be willing to go to App State and UNC-Charlotte for a home and home now that they are FBS in the near future? It seems if any school should understand being locked out, it should be ECU. Right?

Stadiums not comparable, too much lost revenue.

Funny, I remember when ECU was upset about UNC and NCSU using the same argument.

ECU's stadium is double the size of App and triple the size of UNCC. The gap has never been that large between ECU and NCSU/UNC in terms of number of seats (and in turn profit). The main reason that was ever an issue was because the athletic dpt. at ECU knew that we as a fanbase would travel (and vise versa) and make money for everyone when NCSU/ECU and UNC/ECU matchups are played

I hate to do this, but you do realize it was not until 1998 until you hit 40K at your stadium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowdy%E2%80...en_Stadium I do remember being at the ECU vs NCSU game when it nearly 60K and the hill was still there. I will say that was the first and last time I ever sat on hill for a State Game. Too many drunks and fights by both sides. I will never forget when the Public Safety officer slammed an Drunk ECU fan in the cement bleacher wall. That game made me anti lawn seats for any event for the rest of my life.

Lol, bud you don't think I know that?

The point isn't about the individual numbers, it's about the differential of seats. Where's the money going to be made at a 25k and 15k seat stadium in 2014?

State plays in 2 stadiums under 35k every 2 years (1 every year), and neither of them have anywhere near 35k sitting in them ever.

The examples you're using are far worse, aren't comparable, and are unrealistic for us to ever travel to in today's situation.

Dude, what you don't get, is don't think ECU should play H/H verse either school but you all really need to lose the chip, you made it. I state earlier in the post, I think ECU should go after 7 home games. I just don't like fans being hypocritical about we should be let in but God forbid we allow somewhere else the chance to grow. ECU is starting to be able to do what NCSU and UNC have been doing for years. Take advantage of being able to get the home games. I think ECU, NCSU or UNC would be insane not to offer guarantee games to these schools. ECU worked its way up but they did start with a 10K seat stadium back in the day.

That's fine, but it isn't what you said. Had you started with that point, people would've responded differently..you asked about a home and home and I answered about that. Guarantee games? Sure. We give App guarantee games all the time.

Appreciate the kind words, and you and I both know The Chip will never go away, ha!

(09-15-2014 09:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Dude, what you don't get, is don't think ECU should play H/H verse either school but you all really need to lose the chip, you made it. I state earlier in the post, I think ECU should go after 7 home games. I just don't like fans being hypocritical about we should be let in but God forbid we allow somewhere else the chance to grow. ECU is starting to be able to do what NCSU and UNC have been doing for years. Take advantage of being able to get the home games. I think ECU, NCSU or UNC would be insane not to offer guarantee games to these schools. ECU worked its way up but they did started with a 10K seat stadium back in the day.

I'll admit you have some logic msm96wolf. In college football emotions are huge in motivation and quality of play from week to week. For a long time when NC State and Carolina did have the better teams, They had nothing to gain in the eyes of the sports world by playing ECU who would love nothing more to squash them. And ECU fans don't want to admit it but when App state had a strong team we felt the same way. Look, if you are going to play a team that has a strong chance of winning, if you win you at least want national respect. That argument WAS valid. But, Certainly after the last 2 or 3 years ECU is currently seen as a better football program than NC State. We are up, you are down. So we would have more to lose if we played this year. NC State would be trying to "ruin" our season. It goes in trends.