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NOTHING is off the table during recruiting season. Ask Jerry Kill. He got slaughtered by a coach that he backed to get a job, used his medical condition against him. Proving once again no good deed goes unpunished and if you want loyalty, get a dog.

I will be very disappointed in our program, head coach, and AD if our criminals become part of the program again.

Playing for WMU is a privilege. Heck playing ball anywhere is a privilege, including CMU and EMU.

I represent two clients who both had scholarships, one to WMU and the other at Iowa. Neither realized their potential. Further, neither gets through an appointment without mentioning how much they regret their indiscretions.

The Slappies are now saying it was a UM problem because he hadn't started classes yet at CriMinal U. Never mind that he was committing the crime in the town he had moved to that just happens to be the same town that CriMinal U is located.

Read the thread.....they're so giddy! To hell with standards and ethics, to hell with our alma mater's image, we need our rent a player if we have any chance at winning :weeping:

Seriously, if he blows his knee out I'll be laughing my azz off at them.

Schools should have students with fat head sized Visa cards sitting in the Endzone.

(09-23-2014 07:59 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  The Slappies are now saying it was a UM problem because he hadn't started classes yet at CriMinal U. Never mind that he was committing the crime in the town he had moved to that just happens to be the same town that CriMinal U is located.

Read the thread.....they're so giddy! To hell with standards and ethics, to hell with our alma mater's image, we need our rent a player if we have any chance at winning

Seriously, if he blows his knee out I'll be laughing my azz off at them.

Schools should have students with fat head sized Visa cards sitting in the Endzone.

Quote:OK Son, remember, the ball is the program. Grip it like you're holding on to an old woman's purse. Keep your head on a swivel and your legs churning like you're heading for the door. You're a 5th year senior with someone else's degree from U of M for Pete's sake!

There isn't a program this side of West Point that isn't one phone call away from being embarrassed by an incident involving one of their players. And coaches can't live by the throw everyone of the team ethos, its not the best course of action in every situation. Rawls seems like a scum bag but there aren't universal rules for these kinds of things either.

I'm sure you'll agree a first class back like that deserves a better shot than the run of the mill talent. Good backs are not that easy to find. Give the kid a break, ya' know?

(09-23-2014 07:59 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  The Slappies are now saying it was a UM problem because he hadn't started classes yet at CriMinal U. Never mind that he was committing the crime in the town he had moved to that just happens to be the same town that CriMinal U is located.

Read the thread.....they're so giddy! To hell with standards and ethics, to hell with our alma mater's image, we need our rent a player if we have any chance at winning

Seriously, if he blows his knee out I'll be laughing my azz off at them.

Schools should have students with fat head sized Visa cards sitting in the Endzone.

lol

Of course, many of the posts you describe above were made by you and your fellow Broncos posing as CMU fans/alums, but that's besides the point, right?

p.s. The fact that you would even think what I've bolded above further proves that you are human excrement. I'm sure you'll begin praying for it nightly now that Rawls will be back in the lineup, though.

Thanks.

I think it would have been fine for Enos to bench/suspend him for the year but keep his scholarship and allow him take part in team meetings. There is a lot to be said for helping a troubled kid out. I'm sure there is an acceptable way to punish while developing the kid at the same time. If CMU can turn this kid around into a college graduate and a good citizen, then I'm all for it.

It is entirely too easy to just boot these troubled kids. In many cases, their football family is all they have.

We've had players with troubled backgrounds that Cubit took under his wing and turned into solid young men. Jamarko Simmons comes to mind.

Anyway, if they can help Rawls then great. If we can help our troubled players by bringing them back, then I'm fine with that too. I'm not a fan of 'zero tolerance' policies.

All that said...if Rawls were some scrub I doubt they would have brought him back. They were exposed pretty bad in that Kansas game.

(09-23-2014 08:30 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  I think it would have been fine for Enos to bench/suspend him for the year but keep his scholarship and allow him take part in team meetings. There is a lot to be said for helping a troubled kid out.

What is he, like 22 or 23?

I was a "kid" once too, and never came CLOSE to doing what these "kids" are doing. Are we going too easy on ******** by calling them "kids"?

(09-23-2014 08:33 PM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 08:30 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  I think it would have been fine for Enos to bench/suspend him for the year but keep his scholarship and allow him take part in team meetings. There is a lot to be said for helping a troubled kid out.

What is he, like 22 or 23?

I was a "kid" once too, and never came CLOSE to doing what these "kids" are doing. Are we going too easy on ******** by calling them "kids"?

Answer? Yes.

They're not "kids" especially someone like Rawls.

They're young MEN, need to act as such and be treated as such, including consequences for bad behavior.

No way he should be back on CMU football team.

Nor should any one who behaved similarly be on any of our teams.

Heck, our tell our HS kids I expect some issues with Freshmen because they're immature.

I expect few problems with Sophomores because they've been through the program and in HS for a year and know what expectations are.

I expect NO problems with Juniors, and I expect Seniors (especially Captains) to take care of problems before they get to me.

What I'm amazed by is Thomas Rawls, who was still finishing up classes at UM, and who was trying to cram 43 credit hours in in 3 months, had the time to drive to Mt. Pee to gamble and steal an old ladies credit card and go on a brief spending spree. This guy has time management down to a science.

However, he's a tad forgetful, as he forgot to tell Dan Enos about it until two weeks ago.

I'm also really impressed with Enos's and Heeke's ability to see the future. As Heeke said today in the Ann Arbor News, "After today's court proceedings we felt it was acceptable to fully reinstate Thomas." Thomas won't even be sentenced until Oct. 21st, and faces up to 4 years in prison even after plea bargaining 2 other felonies charges away. I guess Heeke and Enos are confident that he'll get a hand slap and no prison. Let's say CMU beats BSU and Rawls has a huge day. Then the following week he's sentenced to a year in jail. If I were Pete Lembo I'd be a little pissed that a convicted felon had beat me. If CMU is a 6-6 bowl qualifier, but won 4 of those games on the back of a known felon who is now in prison, do I invite them to a bowl?

Hoople makes a good point. It's interesting to note that this is a 5th year senior making these horrible choices. He knows better by now, and chose to commit the crime and then lie about it.

(09-23-2014 09:51 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Hoople makes a good point. It's interesting to note that this is a 5th year senior making these horrible choices. He knows better by now, and chose to commit the crime and then lie about it.

Graduate of our states "finest" institution of higher learning at that.

Yeah, but did you see how bad they were without him?

(09-23-2014 09:51 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Hoople makes a good point. It's interesting to note that this is a 5th year senior making these horrible choices. He knows better by now, and chose to commit the crime and then lie about it.

That's fair. I didn't know the guy.

In most cases, though, I don't have a problem with a coach trying to help a young man (not a kid, got it...) out. Each situation is different.

(09-23-2014 10:08 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Yeah, but did you see how bad they were without him?

Like Rawls, Andrew Foury committed 3 felonies. Without Floury they won two games. Without Rawls they lost two games. Heeke and Enos simply did the math and decided to bank their futures on a convicted felon.

Stoner at MSU.

(09-23-2014 10:54 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Stoner at MSU.

You mean Smoker?

(09-23-2014 11:33 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 10:54 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Stoner at MSU.

You mean Smoker?

I think he was still talking about Enos.