(08-13-2014 06:24 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 02:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  "An ACC program should not be ranked in the top 5, and FSU's National Championship is the only reason it is."

I paraphrase, of course. The AAC is not the only conference ESPN regularly hates upon...

yup...the ACC gets crapped on too

I hate espn...but they are THE channel to be on so what do you do? Sucks...

Watch all the games on CBS pushing up their ratings and avoiding ESPN for a while. They'll eventually get the picture when their talking heads are geting echos as feed-back.

(08-13-2014 12:43 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I love idiots like these. Last year guys like this didn't know who Blake Bortles was, they also said UCF had no chance against Baylor, and I mean zero. Fortunately for us games are played on the field not paper. If team talent was an indicator of teams success on the field Michigan and Texas would've been bcs teams. These are the types of people who passed on guys like Blake to go for guys like Driskell. I'm not saying UCF will replicate last years success, fact is I don't know if they will. To make such a sweeping statement based on his apparent lack of information is beyond moronic.

Didn't those same experts tell us that Oklahoma had NO chance against Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?

I went 5-0 picking BCS Bowls last year. I reckon I was better than the "experts". Of course, even when the "experts" are proved wrong, they have their ready made excuses.

(08-13-2014 01:24 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 12:57 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 11:42 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Where does he (cyberbull) say last years UCF doesn't deserve to be ranked. And unless it's some crazy rivalry trolling he agrees that UCF's defense is really good.

He implied last year was a fluke


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You missed my point.

I'll re-state more clearly, if UCF does have a bad year then media honks like this guy will dismiss last year as a fluke.


He would then cite all the 'facts' to make his argument. I think that is a crock of an argument b/c every year should stand alone, especially in college football where you are guaranteed to have significant roster turnover every year. What UCF did last year was special and I can admit that even as a USF fan. It was a great run but more importantly demonstrates what a quality supposed non-P5 team can accomplish. So even if UCF does tank this year...and there are objective arguments about why this COULD happen....it shouldn't diminish the quality of this year's league champion....b/c as you guys proved last season our champion can play with the best.

Stop being so freaking sensitive...

I understand your premise but the way you worded it negates the success we have had the last ten years or so


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(08-13-2014 06:35 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 12:43 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I love idiots like these. Last year guys like this didn't know who Blake Bortles was, they also said UCF had no chance against Baylor, and I mean zero. Fortunately for us games are played on the field not paper. If team talent was an indicator of teams success on the field Michigan and Texas would've been bcs teams. These are the types of people who passed on guys like Blake to go for guys like Driskell. I'm not saying UCF will replicate last years success, fact is I don't know if they will. To make such a sweeping statement based on his apparent lack of information is beyond moronic.

Didn't those same experts tell us that Oklahoma had NO chance against Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?

I went 5-0 picking BCS Bowls last year. I reckon I was better than the "experts". Of course, even when the "experts" are proved wrong, they have their ready made excuses.

You are correct sir. These guys are drinking their own koolaid. They're the sports version of Statler and Waldorf.

(08-13-2014 11:00 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  It may perhaps be unfair to hold UCF to a different standard, but UCF will have to prove that last year was NOT a fluke.

Fact: UCF did not dominate the AAC last year. They could have easily lost four or five games.
Fact: UCF lost a lot to graduation and early departures so they have a lot to prove to see if they can replace a Bortles and 3 OL and their starting tailback. GOL knows how to develop OL & RB but kids like Bortles are a rarity
Fact: UCF's defense was 5th in the AAC but the writer is clueless if he thinks that is not a P5 level unit.

Which brings me to my last point: do you really think that ESPN is going to cut the AAC a break if didn't show the old Big East any fairness or respect? It's funny how all the supposedly crappy BE programs like Cuse, Pitt, WVU et al are now considered power schools b/c they got stolen by the ACC. If I was a UCF fan...you have a right to be upset...but you guys and the rest of the AAC will have to prove guys like this wrong.

Instead of responding to his tweets...ignore ppl like that b/f they obviously have an agenda.

Fact: UCF dominated AAC last year. 8-0. We could have just as easily blown everyone out as lost "4 or 5 games"
Fact:We only lost 5 players to graduation. Thats not a lot (less than 10%)
Fact:UCF's defense was #17 in the country in points against, which is the only stat that matters. Thats #2 behind only Cinci in the AAC.

haney is a UTK grad...what else really needs to be said. /thread

(08-13-2014 08:39 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 11:00 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  It may perhaps be unfair to hold UCF to a different standard, but UCF will have to prove that last year was NOT a fluke.

Fact: UCF did not dominate the AAC last year. They could have easily lost four or five games.
Fact: UCF lost a lot to graduation and early departures so they have a lot to prove to see if they can replace a Bortles and 3 OL and their starting tailback. GOL knows how to develop OL & RB but kids like Bortles are a rarity
Fact: UCF's defense was 5th in the AAC but the writer is clueless if he thinks that is not a P5 level unit.

Which brings me to my last point: do you really think that ESPN is going to cut the AAC a break if didn't show the old Big East any fairness or respect? It's funny how all the supposedly crappy BE programs like Cuse, Pitt, WVU et al are now considered power schools b/c they got stolen by the ACC. If I was a UCF fan...you have a right to be upset...but you guys and the rest of the AAC will have to prove guys like this wrong.

Instead of responding to his tweets...ignore ppl like that b/f they obviously have an agenda.

Fact: UCF dominated AAC last year. 8-0. We could have just as easily blown everyone out as lost "4 or 5 games"
Fact:We only lost 5 players to graduation. Thats not a lot (less than 10%)
Fact:UCF's defense was #17 in the country in points against, which is the only stat that matters. Thats #2 behind only Cinci in the AAC.

Y'all did lose a lot of offensive production though.

(08-13-2014 09:04 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:39 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 11:00 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  It may perhaps be unfair to hold UCF to a different standard, but UCF will have to prove that last year was NOT a fluke.

Fact: UCF did not dominate the AAC last year. They could have easily lost four or five games.
Fact: UCF lost a lot to graduation and early departures so they have a lot to prove to see if they can replace a Bortles and 3 OL and their starting tailback. GOL knows how to develop OL & RB but kids like Bortles are a rarity
Fact: UCF's defense was 5th in the AAC but the writer is clueless if he thinks that is not a P5 level unit.

Which brings me to my last point: do you really think that ESPN is going to cut the AAC a break if didn't show the old Big East any fairness or respect? It's funny how all the supposedly crappy BE programs like Cuse, Pitt, WVU et al are now considered power schools b/c they got stolen by the ACC. If I was a UCF fan...you have a right to be upset...but you guys and the rest of the AAC will have to prove guys like this wrong.

Instead of responding to his tweets...ignore ppl like that b/f they obviously have an agenda.

Fact: UCF dominated AAC last year. 8-0. We could have just as easily blown everyone out as lost "4 or 5 games"
Fact:We only lost 5 players to graduation. Thats not a lot (less than 10%)
Fact:UCF's defense was #17 in the country in points against, which is the only stat that matters. Thats #2 behind only Cinci in the AAC.

Y'all did lose a lot of offensive production though.

Yes we did, but the numbers don't tell the whole story. We return almost all production at WR and have a capable RB returning. Its not like we've had great QBs every year, really we just had one year of really good QB play.

This is the same sort of thinking that haunted the old BE for years regardless of their performance on the field. It was a dumb thing to say but sadly a lot of people will read it and take it at face value. I think the AAC has a chance to be a really good conference and this year Cin; UCF; Houston and ECU need to carry the conference banner.

(08-13-2014 07:08 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 06:35 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 12:43 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I love idiots like these. Last year guys like this didn't know who Blake Bortles was, they also said UCF had no chance against Baylor, and I mean zero. Fortunately for us games are played on the field not paper. If team talent was an indicator of teams success on the field Michigan and Texas would've been bcs teams. These are the types of people who passed on guys like Blake to go for guys like Driskell. I'm not saying UCF will replicate last years success, fact is I don't know if they will. To make such a sweeping statement based on his apparent lack of information is beyond moronic.

Didn't those same experts tell us that Oklahoma had NO chance against Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?

I went 5-0 picking BCS Bowls last year. I reckon I was better than the "experts". Of course, even when the "experts" are proved wrong, they have their ready made excuses.

You are correct sir. These guys are drinking their own koolaid. They're the sports version of Statler and Waldorf.

I don't know how I feel about our team this year, too many questions, but his reasons and logic are downright idiotic. We could be a top 5 team with a phenom freshman QB and o-line production or we could tumble to 60-70 with both of those roles failing miserably. But it's not because we're not P5, it's because we're replacing a top QB and parts of our o-line.

(08-13-2014 09:10 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 09:04 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:39 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 11:00 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  It may perhaps be unfair to hold UCF to a different standard, but UCF will have to prove that last year was NOT a fluke.

Fact: UCF did not dominate the AAC last year. They could have easily lost four or five games.
Fact: UCF lost a lot to graduation and early departures so they have a lot to prove to see if they can replace a Bortles and 3 OL and their starting tailback. GOL knows how to develop OL & RB but kids like Bortles are a rarity
Fact: UCF's defense was 5th in the AAC but the writer is clueless if he thinks that is not a P5 level unit.

Which brings me to my last point: do you really think that ESPN is going to cut the AAC a break if didn't show the old Big East any fairness or respect? It's funny how all the supposedly crappy BE programs like Cuse, Pitt, WVU et al are now considered power schools b/c they got stolen by the ACC. If I was a UCF fan...you have a right to be upset...but you guys and the rest of the AAC will have to prove guys like this wrong.

Instead of responding to his tweets...ignore ppl like that b/f they obviously have an agenda.

Fact: UCF dominated AAC last year. 8-0. We could have just as easily blown everyone out as lost "4 or 5 games"
Fact:We only lost 5 players to graduation. Thats not a lot (less than 10%)
Fact:UCF's defense was #17 in the country in points against, which is the only stat that matters. Thats #2 behind only Cinci in the AAC.

Y'all did lose a lot of offensive production though.

Yes we did, but the numbers don't tell the whole story. We return almost all production at WR and have a capable RB returning. Its not like we've had great QBs every year, really we just had one year of really good QB play.

Bortles was a helluva QB. He singlehandedly won you at least three games by delivering perfect throws to win games late. I think you are not giving him enough credit. Losing three on OL is big too....but GOL has a rep for developing OL so I don't think the drop off will be huge but it will take time for them to gel. Ditto for RB, Stanback is a good RB but he is not the homerun threat that Johnson was...then again he doesn't fumble like SJ...so maybe it's a wash. BTW, not bashing but rather providing objective points to why UCF could struggle.

(08-14-2014 06:43 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 09:10 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 09:04 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:39 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 11:00 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  It may perhaps be unfair to hold UCF to a different standard, but UCF will have to prove that last year was NOT a fluke.

Fact: UCF did not dominate the AAC last year. They could have easily lost four or five games.
Fact: UCF lost a lot to graduation and early departures so they have a lot to prove to see if they can replace a Bortles and 3 OL and their starting tailback. GOL knows how to develop OL & RB but kids like Bortles are a rarity
Fact: UCF's defense was 5th in the AAC but the writer is clueless if he thinks that is not a P5 level unit.

Which brings me to my last point: do you really think that ESPN is going to cut the AAC a break if didn't show the old Big East any fairness or respect? It's funny how all the supposedly crappy BE programs like Cuse, Pitt, WVU et al are now considered power schools b/c they got stolen by the ACC. If I was a UCF fan...you have a right to be upset...but you guys and the rest of the AAC will have to prove guys like this wrong.

Instead of responding to his tweets...ignore ppl like that b/f they obviously have an agenda.

Fact: UCF dominated AAC last year. 8-0. We could have just as easily blown everyone out as lost "4 or 5 games"
Fact:We only lost 5 players to graduation. Thats not a lot (less than 10%)
Fact:UCF's defense was #17 in the country in points against, which is the only stat that matters. Thats #2 behind only Cinci in the AAC.

Y'all did lose a lot of offensive production though.

Yes we did, but the numbers don't tell the whole story. We return almost all production at WR and have a capable RB returning. Its not like we've had great QBs every year, really we just had one year of really good QB play.

Bortles was a helluva QB. He singlehandedly won you at least three games by delivering perfect throws to win games late. I think you are not giving him enough credit. Losing three on OL is big too....but GOL has a rep for developing OL so I don't think the drop off will be huge but it will take time for them to gel. Ditto for RB, Stanback is a good RB but he is not the homerun threat that Johnson was...then again he doesn't fumble like SJ...so maybe it's a wash. BTW, not bashing but rather providing objective points to why UCF could struggle.

Agree about Bortles. Spot on post, I think people give Storm a lot of credit. He was a good back but not irreplaceable. We haven't had a year in a long time where we didn't have a back capable of shouldering the offense.

(08-14-2014 06:43 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 09:10 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 09:04 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:39 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 11:00 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  It may perhaps be unfair to hold UCF to a different standard, but UCF will have to prove that last year was NOT a fluke.

Fact: UCF did not dominate the AAC last year. They could have easily lost four or five games.
Fact: UCF lost a lot to graduation and early departures so they have a lot to prove to see if they can replace a Bortles and 3 OL and their starting tailback. GOL knows how to develop OL & RB but kids like Bortles are a rarity
Fact: UCF's defense was 5th in the AAC but the writer is clueless if he thinks that is not a P5 level unit.

Which brings me to my last point: do you really think that ESPN is going to cut the AAC a break if didn't show the old Big East any fairness or respect? It's funny how all the supposedly crappy BE programs like Cuse, Pitt, WVU et al are now considered power schools b/c they got stolen by the ACC. If I was a UCF fan...you have a right to be upset...but you guys and the rest of the AAC will have to prove guys like this wrong.

Instead of responding to his tweets...ignore ppl like that b/f they obviously have an agenda.

Fact: UCF dominated AAC last year. 8-0. We could have just as easily blown everyone out as lost "4 or 5 games"
Fact:We only lost 5 players to graduation. Thats not a lot (less than 10%)
Fact:UCF's defense was #17 in the country in points against, which is the only stat that matters. Thats #2 behind only Cinci in the AAC.

Y'all did lose a lot of offensive production though.

Yes we did, but the numbers don't tell the whole story. We return almost all production at WR and have a capable RB returning. Its not like we've had great QBs every year, really we just had one year of really good QB play.

Bortles was a helluva QB. He singlehandedly won you at least three games by delivering perfect throws to win games late. I think you are not giving him enough credit. Losing three on OL is big too....but GOL has a rep for developing OL so I don't think the drop off will be huge but it will take time for them to gel. Ditto for RB, Stanback is a good RB but he is not the homerun threat that Johnson was...then again he doesn't fumble like SJ...so maybe it's a wash. BTW, not bashing but rather providing objective points to why UCF could struggle.

Your attempts to insult UCF are really more muted these days.

Wonder why?

(08-13-2014 09:57 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  ESPN Insider article: Aggies, Rebels aren't top-25 teams
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/travis-h...api_public

Quote:UCF Knights (23)

A Group of Five program should not be ranked, and UCF's bowl win against Baylor is the only reason it is. Quarterback Blake Bortles isn't walking back through that door, folks. Besides the bowl win, the Knights are getting love from the panel for returning 10 defensive starters. But that's from a unit that was only fifth in the American in yards per play (5.35). It isn't exactly Alabama or FSU -- or even TCU, which is ranked behind UCF.

"They're athletic, but so is every team we play," a power-conference assistant said of the Knights' defense.

If Bortles were back, I'd be all about this team as a top-25 choice. But without him, the shoe doesn't fit. Give me a Power Five team with fewer returning starters and 2013 wins -- but more talent. Case in point: Florida would destroy this Central Florida team, and yet UCF is a pick 'em with Penn State in the teams' opener in Ireland. The Knights' stay in the top 25 won't last long.

Twitter: @TravHaneyESPN

Drugs are bad. The same Florida team that lost to Ga. Southern????!!!

I have no idea why everyone is so worked up. This is the same stick that ESPN has been shoveling on the Old Big East for years. News Flash, to ESPN, this is the Old Big East. Deal with it or send your hate via all forms of media towards the 4 letter network. Only a mass attack will change their minds. Anything less then armagedon is useless.

(08-13-2014 10:11 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  UF would beat UCF? lol. Didn't UF lose at home to GSU? Nuff said.

(08-13-2014 10:24 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You guys need to smash that idiot on twitter.

These for the win.

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(08-13-2014 06:24 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 02:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  "An ACC program should not be ranked in the top 5, and FSU's National Championship is the only reason it is."

I paraphrase, of course. The AAC is not the only conference ESPN regularly hates upon...

yup...the ACC gets crapped on too

I hate espn...but they are THE channel to be on so what do you do? Sucks...

Meh . . . it won't be that way forever. There are getting to be more and more options for college football viewing. Eventually, I think ESPN's dominance will slip.

This is nothing new. Just the same old unfounded negativty that arrogant ESPN commentators have been dishing up against the non elite (formerly non-BCS) teams for years now. Negative analysis sells and the guy wants someone to read his pathetic analysis so he picks on what seems like a safe and easy target in UCF. Losing your QB is a big deal and in todays insider article Travis speculates that Texas A&M will similarly fall off post Johnny Deuchbag. ESPN could very well be right but in assuming a non power 5 team cannot reload, instead rebuild but it's just speculation and nothing more.

I will say this ESPN guy's application of logic for asserting UCF does not belong in the top 25 is flawed to say the least. Im not an insider so i did not read the whole thing but it it looks like his reasoning is damm near non-existent. Maybe UCF will drop off signicantly without Bortles and Storm but take the Houston game for example. This was a defensive struggle all the way and Bortles was not on the field when Houston's O'Korn and Greenbury failed to connect on 3rd 4th and goal from the 9 for what should have beeen a game winning touchdown in the final 30 seconds. The UCF defense deserves some credit, it was a complete team effort. In a similar situation, this year; I expect O'Korn and Greenbury would make that game winning touchdown. :)