(08-03-2014 10:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:07 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Winston another ASU want to be Barney Fife ...

win a few games after 25 years of God Awful football and they believe they own the SBC and the SBC message board...

what a couple of clowns...

If you don't already recognize how much better stAte's football program is than Western's, you will soon. Just hang around and watch. Now scurry back to your CUSA nest.

OK keep believing that even with your first 3 seven win seasons in your history...

ASU is still giving away FREEBIES to inflate their attendance. ASU's tickets sold (money) is down from 2006 and so are the donations. Out of the last 9 years the donations are at a all time low

That's with 6 home gates on 2013 and only 5 in 2006...

What does that tell anyone that knows "numbers"? FREEBIES and rock bottom discount season tickets

Those numbers don't look right. The fact is, ASU has never really reported its giving. Arkansas Law has a ton of odd rules about what we can report. My understanding is any giving to the Red Wolf Foundation, our fundraising arm for athletics, doesn't have to be reported.

I'll need arkstfan or someone to confirm that though.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's blocked all of us in this thread...

(08-03-2014 10:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:07 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Winston another ASU want to be Barney Fife ...

win a few games after 25 years of God Awful football and they believe they own the SBC and the SBC message board...

what a couple of clowns...

If you don't already recognize how much better stAte's football program is than Western's, you will soon. Just hang around and watch. Now scurry back to your CUSA nest.

OK keep believing that even with your first 3 seven win seasons in your history...

ASU is still giving away FREEBIES to inflate their attendance. ASU's tickets sold (money) is down from 2006 and so are the donations. Out of the last 9 years the donations are at a all time low

That's with 6 home gates on 2013 and only 5 in 2006...

What does that tell anyone that knows "numbers"? FREEBIES and rock bottom discount season tickets

Those numbers don't look right. The fact is, ASU has never really reported its giving. Arkansas Law has a ton of odd rules about what we can report. My understanding is any giving to the Red Wolf Foundation, our fundraising arm for athletics, doesn't have to be reported.

I'll need arkstfan or someone to confirm that though.

But you reported more in 2005 and 2006 so if you don't have to...you did report and the money went down.

(08-03-2014 09:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 07:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Idaho and NMSU have a lot of potential.

You keep saying that and I just don't understand what has given you that impression.

I mean no disrespect to Idaho or NMSU, but let's call a spade a spade over the last three seaaons they've combined for 11 wins. As bad as FAU and FIU have been, they've doubled that number with 22 wins in that same span.

In the last decade Idaho has won more than 3 games in a season 3 times.

2004 3-9
2005 2-9
2006 4-8
2007 1-11
2008 2-10
2009 8-5
2010 6-7
2011 2-10
2012 1-11
2013 1-11

Ten year total 30-91 winning percentage .247

Amazingly NMSU has been marginally worse

2004 5-6
2005 0-12
2006 4-8
2007 4-9
2008 3-9
2009 3-10
2010 2-10
2011 4-9
2012 1-11
2013 2-10

Ten year total 28-94 winning percentage .229


Fun fact, NMSU has exactly four winning seasons since 1967

1978 6-5
1992 6-5
1999 6-5
2002 7-5

Both of those schools have been FBS longer than FAU or FIU have had football programs.

Conversely, over the last decade:

FAU

2004(transition year) 9-3
2005 2-9
2006 5-7
2007 8-5
2008 7-6
2009 5-7
2010 4-8
2012 1-11
2013 3-9
2014 6-6

50-71 winning percentage .431

FIU

2004(transition year) 3-7
2005 5-6
2006 0-12
2007 1-11
2008 5-7
2009 3-9
2010 7-6
2011 8-5
2012 3-9
2013 1-11

36-83 winning percentage .302

Fun fact: FIU had a 23 game losing streak at one point and their last decade was still better than either of Idaho or NMSU.


Tell me about Idaho and NMSU's potential again and how playing as footbll only members and dramatic geographical outliers is going to help them tap into all that potential...

The ceiling for Idaho and NMSU is substantially higher than being 6th or 7th best in state. Nobody denies that.

Thanks for waisting your time with that post.

(08-03-2014 10:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:07 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Winston another ASU want to be Barney Fife ...

win a few games after 25 years of God Awful football and they believe they own the SBC and the SBC message board...

what a couple of clowns...

If you don't already recognize how much better stAte's football program is than Western's, you will soon. Just hang around and watch. Now scurry back to your CUSA nest.

OK keep believing that even with your first 3 seven win seasons in your history...

ASU is still giving away FREEBIES to inflate their attendance. ASU's tickets sold (money) is down from 2006 and so are the donations. Out of the last 9 years the donations are at a all time low

That's with 6 home gates on 2013 and only 5 in 2006...

What does that tell anyone that knows "numbers"? FREEBIES and rock bottom discount season tickets

Those numbers don't look right. The fact is, ASU has never really reported its giving. Arkansas Law has a ton of odd rules about what we can report. My understanding is any giving to the Red Wolf Foundation, our fundraising arm for athletics, doesn't have to be reported.

I'll need arkstfan or someone to confirm that though.

But you reported more in 2005 and 2006 so if you don't have to...you did report and the money went down.

Keep in mind two things here: One, we have a completely different administration now.

Two, 2006 was the year after we went to our first ever bowl game. There was a major ticket boost. We then went 6-6 and they bottomed out over the next several years of average play.

We've been recovering from mistakes we made in 2008 ever since.

(08-03-2014 10:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 07:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Idaho and NMSU have a lot of potential.

You keep saying that and I just don't understand what has given you that impression.

I mean no disrespect to Idaho or NMSU, but let's call a spade a spade over the last three seaaons they've combined for 11 wins. As bad as FAU and FIU have been, they've doubled that number with 22 wins in that same span.

In the last decade Idaho has won more than 3 games in a season 3 times.

2004 3-9
2005 2-9
2006 4-8
2007 1-11
2008 2-10
2009 8-5
2010 6-7
2011 2-10
2012 1-11
2013 1-11

Ten year total 30-91 winning percentage .247

Amazingly NMSU has been marginally worse

2004 5-6
2005 0-12
2006 4-8
2007 4-9
2008 3-9
2009 3-10
2010 2-10
2011 4-9
2012 1-11
2013 2-10

Ten year total 28-94 winning percentage .229


Fun fact, NMSU has exactly four winning seasons since 1967

1978 6-5
1992 6-5
1999 6-5
2002 7-5

Both of those schools have been FBS longer than FAU or FIU have had football programs.

Conversely, over the last decade:

FAU

2004(transition year) 9-3
2005 2-9
2006 5-7
2007 8-5
2008 7-6
2009 5-7
2010 4-8
2012 1-11
2013 3-9
2014 6-6

50-71 winning percentage .431

FIU

2004(transition year) 3-7
2005 5-6
2006 0-12
2007 1-11
2008 5-7
2009 3-9
2010 7-6
2011 8-5
2012 3-9
2013 1-11

36-83 winning percentage .302

Fun fact: FIU had a 23 game losing streak at one point and their last decade was still better than either of Idaho or NMSU.


Tell me about Idaho and NMSU's potential again and how playing as footbll only members and dramatic geographical outliers is going to help them tap into all that potential...

The ceiling for Idaho and NMSU is substantially higher than being 6th or 7th best in state. Nobody denies that.

Thanks for waisting your time with that post.

You are so off base on this...it's just crazy thinking.

UCF and USF were 5th or 6th in the state and while USF has hit hard times as far as winning...

they are in way better shape than they were

less than 10 years ago UFC was a 0-11 school in the MAC last year 12-1 and played in the Fiesta Bowl

USF was a start up in 2000 and with in 5 years moved to a BCS conference

FAU and FIU probably won't reach that but there is a lot better chance for that to happen than for NMST or Idaho.

(08-03-2014 11:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 07:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Idaho and NMSU have a lot of potential.

You keep saying that and I just don't understand what has given you that impression.

I mean no disrespect to Idaho or NMSU, but let's call a spade a spade over the last three seaaons they've combined for 11 wins. As bad as FAU and FIU have been, they've doubled that number with 22 wins in that same span.

In the last decade Idaho has won more than 3 games in a season 3 times.

2004 3-9
2005 2-9
2006 4-8
2007 1-11
2008 2-10
2009 8-5
2010 6-7
2011 2-10
2012 1-11
2013 1-11

Ten year total 30-91 winning percentage .247

Amazingly NMSU has been marginally worse

2004 5-6
2005 0-12
2006 4-8
2007 4-9
2008 3-9
2009 3-10
2010 2-10
2011 4-9
2012 1-11
2013 2-10

Ten year total 28-94 winning percentage .229


Fun fact, NMSU has exactly four winning seasons since 1967

1978 6-5
1992 6-5
1999 6-5
2002 7-5

Both of those schools have been FBS longer than FAU or FIU have had football programs.

Conversely, over the last decade:

FAU

2004(transition year) 9-3
2005 2-9
2006 5-7
2007 8-5
2008 7-6
2009 5-7
2010 4-8
2012 1-11
2013 3-9
2014 6-6

50-71 winning percentage .431

FIU

2004(transition year) 3-7
2005 5-6
2006 0-12
2007 1-11
2008 5-7
2009 3-9
2010 7-6
2011 8-5
2012 3-9
2013 1-11

36-83 winning percentage .302

Fun fact: FIU had a 23 game losing streak at one point and their last decade was still better than either of Idaho or NMSU.


Tell me about Idaho and NMSU's potential again and how playing as footbll only members and dramatic geographical outliers is going to help them tap into all that potential...

The ceiling for Idaho and NMSU is substantially higher than being 6th or 7th best in state. Nobody denies that.

Thanks for waisting your time with that post.

You are so off base on this...it's just crazy thinking.

UCF and USF were 5th or 6th in the state and while USF has hit hard times as far as winning...

they are in way better shape than they were

less than 10 years ago UFC was a 0-11 school in the MAC last year 12-1 and played in the Fiesta Bowl

USF was a start up in 2000 and with in 5 years moved to a BCS conference

FAU and FIU probably won't reach that but there is a lot better chance for that to happen than for NMST or Idaho.

F_U will never, never ever, lay claim to being the best team in Florida, or even second best, same for 4th or 5th. It's possible for Idaho and NMSU. NMSU may have a terrible past but they are putting money into the program now and, well, see UL for what some time and investment will do.

The ceiling is much higher.

Thanks for playing...

The grander point is that the very worst schools in Florida were no loss.

(08-03-2014 11:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 09:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 07:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Idaho and NMSU have a lot of potential.

You keep saying that and I just don't understand what has given you that impression.

I mean no disrespect to Idaho or NMSU, but let's call a spade a spade over the last three seaaons they've combined for 11 wins. As bad as FAU and FIU have been, they've doubled that number with 22 wins in that same span.

In the last decade Idaho has won more than 3 games in a season 3 times.

2004 3-9
2005 2-9
2006 4-8
2007 1-11
2008 2-10
2009 8-5
2010 6-7
2011 2-10
2012 1-11
2013 1-11

Ten year total 30-91 winning percentage .247

Amazingly NMSU has been marginally worse

2004 5-6
2005 0-12
2006 4-8
2007 4-9
2008 3-9
2009 3-10
2010 2-10
2011 4-9
2012 1-11
2013 2-10

Ten year total 28-94 winning percentage .229


Fun fact, NMSU has exactly four winning seasons since 1967

1978 6-5
1992 6-5
1999 6-5
2002 7-5

Both of those schools have been FBS longer than FAU or FIU have had football programs.

Conversely, over the last decade:

FAU

2004(transition year) 9-3
2005 2-9
2006 5-7
2007 8-5
2008 7-6
2009 5-7
2010 4-8
2012 1-11
2013 3-9
2014 6-6

50-71 winning percentage .431

FIU

2004(transition year) 3-7
2005 5-6
2006 0-12
2007 1-11
2008 5-7
2009 3-9
2010 7-6
2011 8-5
2012 3-9
2013 1-11

36-83 winning percentage .302

Fun fact: FIU had a 23 game losing streak at one point and their last decade was still better than either of Idaho or NMSU.


Tell me about Idaho and NMSU's potential again and how playing as footbll only members and dramatic geographical outliers is going to help them tap into all that potential...

The ceiling for Idaho and NMSU is substantially higher than being 6th or 7th best in state. Nobody denies that.

Thanks for waisting your time with that post.

You are so off base on this...it's just crazy thinking.

UCF and USF were 5th or 6th in the state and while USF has hit hard times as far as winning...

they are in way better shape than they were

less than 10 years ago UFC was a 0-11 school in the MAC last year 12-1 and played in the Fiesta Bowl

USF was a start up in 2000 and with in 5 years moved to a BCS conference

FAU and FIU probably won't reach that but there is a lot better chance for that to happen than for NMST or Idaho.

F_U will never, never ever, lay claim to being the best team in Florida, or even second best, same for 4th or 5th. It's possible for Idaho and NMSU. NMSU may have a terrible past but they are putting money into the program now and, well, see UL for what some time and investment will do.

The ceiling is much higher.

Thanks for playing...

NMST been putting money into their program for 6 years when their budget went from 16mil to 28mil...

today it's at 30mil

2mil higher than FIU

Don't seem to see any growth from that money spent.

You do realize that not one other person is agreeing with you? when you can't get at least 1 ASU to jump into this you know it's way past crazy. WAY WAY WAY past it.

(08-03-2014 11:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  F_U will never, never ever, lay claim to being the best team in Florida, or even second best, same for 4th or 5th. It's possible for Idaho and NMSU. NMSU may have a terrible past but they are putting money into the program now and, well, see UL for what some time and investment will do.

The ceiling is much higher.

Thanks for playing...

Wow.

Just...wow.

You may have just won most flawed logic I may have ever seen.

Do you want the good news first or the bad news first? How about good?

Congratulations! You are conference mates with the 2nd best football program in Idaho and the 2nd best program in New Mexico.

Bad news, neither one of them are as good as the 6th or 7th best program in Florida or the 5th or 6th best program in California or the 5th or 6th best program in North Carolina or the 7th or 8th best program in Ohio or the 11th or 12th best program in Texas.

NMSU has been one of the top two programs in New Mexico for decades and it's still only netted them four winning seasons since 1967.

What does a program's ranking in their own state have to do with anything?

Are you really suggesting that Idaho is going to pass Boise?


I am dumbfounded by your remarkably broken logic.

(08-04-2014 12:13 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  F_U will never, never ever, lay claim to being the best team in Florida, or even second best, same for 4th or 5th. It's possible for Idaho and NMSU. NMSU may have a terrible past but they are putting money into the program now and, well, see UL for what some time and investment will do.

The ceiling is much higher.

Thanks for playing...

Wow.

Just...wow.

You may have just won most flawed logic I may have ever seen.

Do you want the good news first or the bad news first? How about good?

Congratulations! You are conference mates with the 2nd best football program in Idaho and the 2nd best program in New Mexico.

Bad news, neither one of them are as good as the 6th or 7th best program in Florida or the 5th or 6th best program in California or the 5th or 6th best program in North Carolina or the 7th or 8th best program in Ohio or the 11th or 12th best program in Texas.

NMSU has been one of the top two programs in New Mexico for decades and it's still only netted them four winning seasons since 1967.

What does a program's ranking in their own state have to do with anything?

Are you really suggesting that Idaho is going to pass Boise?


I am dumbfounded by your remarkably broken logic.

Naturally

(08-04-2014 01:11 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 12:13 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  F_U will never, never ever, lay claim to being the best team in Florida, or even second best, same for 4th or 5th. It's possible for Idaho and NMSU. NMSU may have a terrible past but they are putting money into the program now and, well, see UL for what some time and investment will do.

The ceiling is much higher.

Thanks for playing...

Wow.

Just...wow.

You may have just won most flawed logic I may have ever seen.

Do you want the good news first or the bad news first? How about good?

Congratulations! You are conference mates with the 2nd best football program in Idaho and the 2nd best program in New Mexico.

Bad news, neither one of them are as good as the 6th or 7th best program in Florida or the 5th or 6th best program in California or the 5th or 6th best program in North Carolina or the 7th or 8th best program in Ohio or the 11th or 12th best program in Texas.

NMSU has been one of the top two programs in New Mexico for decades and it's still only netted them four winning seasons since 1967.

What does a program's ranking in their own state have to do with anything?

Are you really suggesting that Idaho is going to pass Boise?


I am dumbfounded by your remarkably broken logic.

Naturally

Fantastic counter.

Seriously. What does home state ranking have to do with anything? You are 100% correct, FAU and FIU are the 6th and 7th best programs in Florida and they are both indisputably better football programs than Idaho and NMSU who are 2nd best programs in their respective states.

So you can take the coward's way out and attempt to condescend, rather than defend your ridiculous claim if you want, it's probably your best option.

For a little perspective, FAU has a solid & growing program and not all that similar to FIU. They went 6-6 last year, have a dangerous (and large) young quarterback, and a nasty hard hitting defense. They have a linebacker who has NFL-type talent. FAU has a strong chance to go bowling this year. They built a beautiful stadium and host a bowl game. FAU baseball is legit. The MT administration and most MT fans highly value our conference affiliation to FAU.

Not sure why newer FBS programs want to take shots at a university that has done a nice job elevating their program, but ok. FAU might actually be a program to give a look at how to do things right when moving up.

Now, back to mindlessly bashing F_U.

(08-04-2014 02:27 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 01:11 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 12:13 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  F_U will never, never ever, lay claim to being the best team in Florida, or even second best, same for 4th or 5th. It's possible for Idaho and NMSU. NMSU may have a terrible past but they are putting money into the program now and, well, see UL for what some time and investment will do.

The ceiling is much higher.

Thanks for playing...

Wow.

Just...wow.

You may have just won most flawed logic I may have ever seen.

Do you want the good news first or the bad news first? How about good?

Congratulations! You are conference mates with the 2nd best football program in Idaho and the 2nd best program in New Mexico.

Bad news, neither one of them are as good as the 6th or 7th best program in Florida or the 5th or 6th best program in California or the 5th or 6th best program in North Carolina or the 7th or 8th best program in Ohio or the 11th or 12th best program in Texas.

NMSU has been one of the top two programs in New Mexico for decades and it's still only netted them four winning seasons since 1967.

What does a program's ranking in their own state have to do with anything?

Are you really suggesting that Idaho is going to pass Boise?


I am dumbfounded by your remarkably broken logic.

Naturally

Fantastic counter.

Seriously. What does home state ranking have to do with anything? You are 100% correct, FAU and FIU are the 6th and 7th best programs in Florida and they are both indisputably better football programs than Idaho and NMSU who are 2nd best programs in their respective states.

So you can take the coward's way out and attempt to condescend, rather than defend your ridiculous claim if you want, it's probably your best option.

Idaho and Boise are both G5. Boise is not guaranteed to remain in a static position like a P5. A few bad years and they become like any other G5. Idaho does have the potential to return to the top spot in Idaho.

NMSU and UNM are both G5 also but it seems unlikely NMSU could become dominant there.

(08-04-2014 09:56 AM)TruBlu Wrote:  For a little perspective, FAU has a solid & growing program and not all that similar to FIU. They went 6-6 last year, have a dangerous (and large) young quarterback, and a nasty hard hitting defense. They have a linebacker who has NFL-type talent. FAU has a strong chance to go bowling this year. They built a beautiful stadium and host a bowl game. FAU baseball is legit. The MT administration and most MT fans highly value our conference affiliation to FAU.

Not sure why newer FBS programs want to take shots at a university that has done a nice job elevating their program, but ok. FAU might actually be a program to give a look at how to do things right when moving up.

Now, back to mindlessly bashing F_U.

Thank you for your opinion...it's valued just as much as everyone else's...

(08-04-2014 10:09 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 02:27 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 01:11 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 12:13 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  F_U will never, never ever, lay claim to being the best team in Florida, or even second best, same for 4th or 5th. It's possible for Idaho and NMSU. NMSU may have a terrible past but they are putting money into the program now and, well, see UL for what some time and investment will do.

The ceiling is much higher.

Thanks for playing...

Wow.

Just...wow.

You may have just won most flawed logic I may have ever seen.

Do you want the good news first or the bad news first? How about good?

Congratulations! You are conference mates with the 2nd best football program in Idaho and the 2nd best program in New Mexico.

Bad news, neither one of them are as good as the 6th or 7th best program in Florida or the 5th or 6th best program in California or the 5th or 6th best program in North Carolina or the 7th or 8th best program in Ohio or the 11th or 12th best program in Texas.

NMSU has been one of the top two programs in New Mexico for decades and it's still only netted them four winning seasons since 1967.

What does a program's ranking in their own state have to do with anything?

Are you really suggesting that Idaho is going to pass Boise?


I am dumbfounded by your remarkably broken logic.

Naturally

Fantastic counter.

Seriously. What does home state ranking have to do with anything? You are 100% correct, FAU and FIU are the 6th and 7th best programs in Florida and they are both indisputably better football programs than Idaho and NMSU who are 2nd best programs in their respective states.

So you can take the coward's way out and attempt to condescend, rather than defend your ridiculous claim if you want, it's probably your best option.

Idaho and Boise are both G5. Boise is not guaranteed to remain in a static position like a P5. A few bad years and they become like any other G5. Idaho does have the potential to return to the top spot in Idaho.

NMSU and UNM are both G5 also but it seems unlikely NMSU could become dominant there.

Fair enough.

If Boise comes back to earth, Idaho could pass them, but then Idaho could be #1 in the state of Idaho and still not necessarily be better than FAU or FIU.

Seems like a bit of a minor point to focus on to me, there's no defending HOD's logic which was the larger point.

Having teams that can lay claim to being the best in their own states, which is important regardless of size, is something not a single school in CUSA can lay claim to.

It helps with the conference's overall perception. Having third tier schools in Florida just confirms a bottom of the barrel mentality, which is CUSA's spot anyways.

Quit crying MTP.

(08-04-2014 10:45 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Having teams that can lay claim to being the best in their own states, which is important regardless of size, is something not a single school in CUSA can lay claim to.

It helps with the conference's overall perception. Having third tier schools in Florida just confirms a bottom of the barrel mentality, which is CUSA's spot anyways.

Quit crying MTP.

Idaho and NMSU are already #2 in their states, what is being #1 going to change? Your logic is beyond indefensible.

And what exactly am I doing that you interpret as "crying"? Admittedly I do have tears in my eyes, but only from laughing so hard at your ridiculous premise.


Seriously, Idaho and NMSU have been at least the #2 program in their states for decades longer than either one of FAU or FIU have even had programs. Again NMSU has had four winning seasons in nearly fifty years as the #2 program in their state, FAU and FIU are both better programs despite being no better than 6th or 7th for the entirety of their history.

Do you hear anyone lauding the MWC for having the #1 programs in Wyoming and New Mexico?

(08-04-2014 10:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 10:45 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Having teams that can lay claim to being the best in their own states, which is important regardless of size, is something not a single school in CUSA can lay claim to.

It helps with the conference's overall perception. Having third tier schools in Florida just confirms a bottom of the barrel mentality, which is CUSA's spot anyways.

Quit crying MTP.

Idaho and NMSU are already #2 in their states, what is being #1 going to change? Your logic is beyond indefensible.

And what exactly am I doing that you interpret as "crying"? Admittedly I do have tears in my eyes, but only from laughing so hard at your ridiculous premise.


Seriously, Idaho and NMSU have been at least the #2 program in their states for decades longer than either one of FAU or FIU have even had programs. Again NMSU has had four winning seasons in nearly fifty years as the #2 program in their state, FAU and FIU are both better programs despite being no better than 6th or 7th for the entirety of their history.

Do you hear anyone lauding the MWC for having the #1 programs in Wyoming and New Mexico?

I guess second best is winning for MTSU folks.

Small dreams and small minds...MTSU

BTW, just about everybody considers the MWC to be head and shoulders above CUSA.

(08-04-2014 10:40 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Fair enough.

If Boise comes back to earth, Idaho could pass them, but then Idaho could be #1 in the state of Idaho and still not necessarily be better than FAU or FIU.

Seems like a bit of a minor point to focus on to me, there's no defending HOD's logic which was the larger point.

I've driven through Idaho. I think I counted 8 people living there.

(08-04-2014 11:03 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I guess second best is winning for MTSU folks.

Small dreams and small minds...MTSU

BTW, just about everybody considers the MWC to be head and shoulders above CUSA.

The MWC is better than CUSA and the Sun Belt, but not because of UNM and Wyoming.

If it really mattered, why doesn't the MWC invite North Dakota State, South Dakota State and Montana? Imagine the power of the MWC then!

#1 program in:

Hawaii
Idaho
Montana
Nevada
New Mexico
North Dakota
South Dakota
Wyomng

That's eight states in which they'd have the #1 program, I'm not even sure the SEC can top that depending who you consider tops in Florida and South Carolina, but those invites would guarantee the MWC being at least the #2 conference in the country.


The good news is, I've found a way for us to finally settle the debate over who's better out of CUSA and the Sun Belt. I've already e-mailed Britton Banowsky and linked this thread to him so he could see how important state #1s are and instructed him to invite Brown, Dartmouth, Delaware, and Maine and I'm making it my personal mission to get Vermont to restart their football program so we can invite them as well.

You may have two schools in Idaho and NMSU who have the potential to be #1 in their state, we're about to pick up four #1 programs, five if I can convince Vermont.

Your move Sun Belt(maybe you could grab the #1 program in Alaska, they'd be a bit out of our footprint, but perhaps a good travel partner for Idaho).