(07-28-2014 04:52 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 12:38 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:59 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  This will be a good series for you guys. In the past Duke's football program was garbage and beating them back then wasn't anything to brag about. It's a totally different program now. They should of beat Texas A&M last year in the bowl game. Beating them will definitely be a good thing.

Agreed. If they continue their current trend they'll be a top 25 quality program every year. It is a big grab for MT and I hope I can be there for the game in 2019.

I'll believe last year was not just an aberration when I see it. Not saying they go back to a dumpster fire of a football program, but I have little to no expectation that Duke football is going to be a perennial top 25 quality program any time soon.

They have been on the rise over the last few years - in 2012, Duke went 6-7 and went to their first bowl since 1995 after spending the last decade plus with no more than five wins. Last year they had 10 wins, their highest total in program history. The last time they had at least 8 wins was 1994. I expect they'll have another winning record again and make a quality bowl as well, along with a lower top 25 rating.

Well, it is five years away. Lots of things can happen in five years. None of those players will be there in 2019 and certainly not 2020. Neither will ours for that matter. Both coaches could be gone by then. For years. decades, Duke was bad, and so was vandy, it'll be interesting if they and other traditional P5 doormats (Baylor) currently having a resurgence continue on that trajectory or fall back to their old ways.

(07-28-2014 04:52 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 12:38 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:59 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  This will be a good series for you guys. In the past Duke's football program was garbage and beating them back then wasn't anything to brag about. It's a totally different program now. They should of beat Texas A&M last year in the bowl game. Beating them will definitely be a good thing.

Agreed. If they continue their current trend they'll be a top 25 quality program every year. It is a big grab for MT and I hope I can be there for the game in 2019.

I'll believe last year was not just an aberration when I see it. Not saying they go back to a dumpster fire of a football program, but I have little to no expectation that Duke football is going to be a perennial top 25 quality program any time soon.

They have been on the rise over the last few years - in 2012, Duke went 6-7 and went to their first bowl since 1995 after spending the last decade plus with no more than five wins. Last year they had 10 wins, their highest total in program history. The last time they had at least 8 wins was 1994. I expect they'll have another winning record again and make a quality bowl as well, along with a lower top 25 rating.

They should be good again this year no doubt, six or seven seasons from now? Who knows, but their history would not suggest sustained success is a reasonableeexpectation.

(07-28-2014 09:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:52 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 12:38 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:59 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  This will be a good series for you guys. In the past Duke's football program was garbage and beating them back then wasn't anything to brag about. It's a totally different program now. They should of beat Texas A&M last year in the bowl game. Beating them will definitely be a good thing.

Agreed. If they continue their current trend they'll be a top 25 quality program every year. It is a big grab for MT and I hope I can be there for the game in 2019.

I'll believe last year was not just an aberration when I see it. Not saying they go back to a dumpster fire of a football program, but I have little to no expectation that Duke football is going to be a perennial top 25 quality program any time soon.

They have been on the rise over the last few years - in 2012, Duke went 6-7 and went to their first bowl since 1995 after spending the last decade plus with no more than five wins. Last year they had 10 wins, their highest total in program history. The last time they had at least 8 wins was 1994. I expect they'll have another winning record again and make a quality bowl as well, along with a lower top 25 rating.

They should be good again this year no doubt, six or seven seasons from now? Who knows, but their history would not suggest sustained success is a reasonableeexpectation.

So history is a good indicator for events to come?

well done! congrats. Now win these games!

(07-28-2014 09:54 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 09:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:52 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 12:38 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Agreed. If they continue their current trend they'll be a top 25 quality program every year. It is a big grab for MT and I hope I can be there for the game in 2019.

I'll believe last year was not just an aberration when I see it. Not saying they go back to a dumpster fire of a football program, but I have little to no expectation that Duke football is going to be a perennial top 25 quality program any time soon.

They have been on the rise over the last few years - in 2012, Duke went 6-7 and went to their first bowl since 1995 after spending the last decade plus with no more than five wins. Last year they had 10 wins, their highest total in program history. The last time they had at least 8 wins was 1994. I expect they'll have another winning record again and make a quality bowl as well, along with a lower top 25 rating.

They should be good again this year no doubt, six or seven seasons from now? Who knows, but their history would not suggest sustained success is a reasonableeexpectation.

So history is a good indicator for events to come?

Past results are the best predictor of future results. There are of course exceptions and variables, all three of Florida, Florida State and Miami were average at best programs for decades. Minnesota has multiple national championships, so does Army for that matter.

Given any group of schools, the majority of them will stay closer to what they are and always have been. Very few will make vast deviations in either direction in the long run.

50 years from now Western will probably still have the better basketball program. There will be periods of strength on both sides and I expect over time the gap will narrow as I don't believe Western will ever return to being a consistent national power without joining a P5 conference, but a narrowed gap or not, outside of the small chance of MT basketball making a major deviation and/or us joining a P5, over time Western should still be the better MBB program.

Similarly, in 50 years, I expect our all time football series will still be very close. Over the course of our 62 game series(MT leads 32-29-1) we both have three different winning streaks of at least four games,your longest winning streak is seven and ours is five. The largest lead ever held in the series is nine games held by Western twice(13-4-1 and 14-5-1), your best ten game run is 9-0-1 ours is 8-2, the last time either side led by more than five games was 1957 when Western led 14-8-1. In fifty years when we've played 112 times(assuming the game doesn't miss a year for any reason) the odds are far greater the series will be something like 58-53-1 than 65-46-1.

(07-28-2014 09:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:52 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 12:38 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:59 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  This will be a good series for you guys. In the past Duke's football program was garbage and beating them back then wasn't anything to brag about. It's a totally different program now. They should of beat Texas A&M last year in the bowl game. Beating them will definitely be a good thing.

Agreed. If they continue their current trend they'll be a top 25 quality program every year. It is a big grab for MT and I hope I can be there for the game in 2019.

I'll believe last year was not just an aberration when I see it. Not saying they go back to a dumpster fire of a football program, but I have little to no expectation that Duke football is going to be a perennial top 25 quality program any time soon.

They have been on the rise over the last few years - in 2012, Duke went 6-7 and went to their first bowl since 1995 after spending the last decade plus with no more than five wins. Last year they had 10 wins, their highest total in program history. The last time they had at least 8 wins was 1994. I expect they'll have another winning record again and make a quality bowl as well, along with a lower top 25 rating.

They should be good again this year no doubt, six or seven seasons from now? Who knows, but their history would not suggest sustained success is a reasonableeexpectation.

Six or seven years is an eternity in college football but there have been some fundamental changes at Duke in regards to football along with the change in the college football landscape that will make it easier for Duke to sustain some sort of football success.

Being grandfathered into the haves of College Football has provided a windfall of money for Duke football. They have started to really upgrade their facilities and that has helped them in recruiting. Also their administration has finally given the football program a chance from an academic standpoint by allowing them to recruit and sign more "marginal" students. On top of these items they have finally hired a coach with the ability to build and sustain a program. Make no mistake about it…Coach Cutcliff is a damn good ball coach and recruiter. As long as he stays around they should be a competitive program.

Not too long ago ECU would win almost every head to head recruiting battle against Duke when we were on the same kids, which did not happen very often. More and more over the last several years we are going head to head against them for North Carolina players and more often than not they are winning those battles.

sounds like Cutcliffe is planning to recruit his Tennessee base again.

(07-28-2014 10:50 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 09:54 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 09:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:52 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'll believe last year was not just an aberration when I see it. Not saying they go back to a dumpster fire of a football program, but I have little to no expectation that Duke football is going to be a perennial top 25 quality program any time soon.

They have been on the rise over the last few years - in 2012, Duke went 6-7 and went to their first bowl since 1995 after spending the last decade plus with no more than five wins. Last year they had 10 wins, their highest total in program history. The last time they had at least 8 wins was 1994. I expect they'll have another winning record again and make a quality bowl as well, along with a lower top 25 rating.

They should be good again this year no doubt, six or seven seasons from now? Who knows, but their history would not suggest sustained success is a reasonableeexpectation.

So history is a good indicator for events to come?

Past results are the best predictor of future results. There are of course exceptions and variables, all three of Florida, Florida State and Miami were average at best programs for decades. Minnesota has multiple national championships, so does Army for that matter.

Given any group of schools, the majority of them will stay closer to what they are and always have been. Very few will make vast deviations in either direction in the long run.

50 years from now Western will probably still have the better basketball program. There will be periods of strength on both sides and I expect over time the gap will narrow as I don't believe Western will ever return to being a consistent national power without joining a P5 conference, but a narrowed gap or not, outside of the small chance of MT basketball making a major deviation and/or us joining a P5, over time Western should still be the better MBB program.

Similarly, in 50 years, I expect our all time football series will still be very close. Over the course of our 62 game series(MT leads 32-29-1) we both have three different winning streaks of at least four games,your longest winning streak is seven and ours is five. The largest lead ever held in the series is nine games held by Western twice(13-4-1 and 14-5-1), your best ten game run is 9-0-1 ours is 8-2, the last time either side led by more than five games was 1957 when Western led 14-8-1. In fifty years when we've played 112 times(assuming the game doesn't miss a year for any reason) the odds are far greater the series will be something like 58-53-1 than 65-46-1.

florida, miami, and florida state werent average. they were turrible. florida was a southern version of kentucky when it comes to football. fsu was an afterthought until bowden and miami was nothing, just nothing until schnelly taught them how to cheat.

(07-29-2014 01:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:50 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 09:54 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 09:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:52 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  They have been on the rise over the last few years - in 2012, Duke went 6-7 and went to their first bowl since 1995 after spending the last decade plus with no more than five wins. Last year they had 10 wins, their highest total in program history. The last time they had at least 8 wins was 1994. I expect they'll have another winning record again and make a quality bowl as well, along with a lower top 25 rating.

They should be good again this year no doubt, six or seven seasons from now? Who knows, but their history would not suggest sustained success is a reasonableeexpectation.

So history is a good indicator for events to come?

Past results are the best predictor of future results. There are of course exceptions and variables, all three of Florida, Florida State and Miami were average at best programs for decades. Minnesota has multiple national championships, so does Army for that matter.

Given any group of schools, the majority of them will stay closer to what they are and always have been. Very few will make vast deviations in either direction in the long run.

50 years from now Western will probably still have the better basketball program. There will be periods of strength on both sides and I expect over time the gap will narrow as I don't believe Western will ever return to being a consistent national power without joining a P5 conference, but a narrowed gap or not, outside of the small chance of MT basketball making a major deviation and/or us joining a P5, over time Western should still be the better MBB program.

Similarly, in 50 years, I expect our all time football series will still be very close. Over the course of our 62 game series(MT leads 32-29-1) we both have three different winning streaks of at least four games,your longest winning streak is seven and ours is five. The largest lead ever held in the series is nine games held by Western twice(13-4-1 and 14-5-1), your best ten game run is 9-0-1 ours is 8-2, the last time either side led by more than five games was 1957 when Western led 14-8-1. In fifty years when we've played 112 times(assuming the game doesn't miss a year for any reason) the odds are far greater the series will be something like 58-53-1 than 65-46-1.

florida, miami, and florida state werent average. they were turrible. florida was a southern version of kentucky when it comes to football. fsu was an afterthought until bowden and miami was nothing, just nothing until schnelly taught them how to cheat.

I was trying to be kind by saying "average at best".