1. Tulane
2. Houston
3. East Carolina
4. South Florida
5. UCF
6. UConn
7. Memphis
8. Cincinnati

No idea why Tulane would be a better job than UH.

Or why ECU would be better than UCF. IMO it falls out like this:

1. Houston
2. UCF
3. Tulane
4. East Carolina
5. Memphis
6. South Florida
7. UConn
8. Cincinnati

(06-04-2014 09:26 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Or why ECU would be better than UCF.

Not sure if serious

(06-04-2014 09:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:26 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Or why ECU would be better than UCF.

Not sure if serious

Completely serious.

(06-04-2014 09:31 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:26 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Or why ECU would be better than UCF.

Not sure if serious

Completely serious.

26 NCAA Tournament appearances vs. 12

3 Super Regionals vs. Zero

Better stadium

12th all time winningest program vs. NR

(06-04-2014 09:32 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:31 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:26 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Or why ECU would be better than UCF.

Not sure if serious

Completely serious.

26 NCAA Tournament appearances vs. 12

3 Super Regionals vs. Zero

Better stadium

12th all time winningest program vs. NR

So your past is why it's a better job? Sounds like dick measuring, not an objective opinion. That's my opinion, arguing with me won't convince me otherwise.

(06-04-2014 09:35 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:32 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:31 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:26 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Or why ECU would be better than UCF.

Not sure if serious

Completely serious.

26 NCAA Tournament appearances vs. 12

3 Super Regionals vs. Zero

Better stadium

12th all time winningest program vs. NR

So your past is why it's a better job? Sounds like dick measuring, not an objective opinion. That's my opinion, arguing with me won't convince me otherwise.

Lol, tradition+facilities+location generally are the factors that decide jobs.

1. Houston
2. East Carolina
3. UCF
4. South Florida
5. Tulane
6. Memphis
7. Cincinnati
8. UConn

... I think South Florida is a sleeping giant with the sport and inclined to rank them higher. Cincinnati might be too low too as I do like their stadium, just don't know about the recruiting base there.

(06-04-2014 09:39 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:35 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:32 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:31 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not sure if serious

Completely serious.

26 NCAA Tournament appearances vs. 12

3 Super Regionals vs. Zero

Better stadium

12th all time winningest program vs. NR

So your past is why it's a better job? Sounds like dick measuring, not an objective opinion. That's my opinion, arguing with me won't convince me otherwise.

Lol, tradition+facilities+location generally are the factors that decide jobs.

No, it's another ECU fan cherry picking to falsely inflate your school's importance. ECU is a decent team from an AAC perspective, but not better than UCF currently. Agree/disagree, it doesn't matter. I believe what I believe, and it will all get settled on the field, not by a couple of biased fans. Good luck.

Both South Florida and Central Florida would be great jobs IMO... close to a lot of talent, no crazy expectations to live up to, and no state income tax.

(06-04-2014 09:45 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:39 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:35 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:32 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:31 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Completely serious.

26 NCAA Tournament appearances vs. 12

3 Super Regionals vs. Zero

Better stadium

12th all time winningest program vs. NR

So your past is why it's a better job? Sounds like dick measuring, not an objective opinion. That's my opinion, arguing with me won't convince me otherwise.

Lol, tradition+facilities+location generally are the factors that decide jobs.

No, it's another ECU fan cherry picking to falsely inflate your school's importance. ECU is a decent team from an AAC perspective, but not better than UCF currently. Agree/disagree, it doesn't matter. I believe what I believe, and it will all get settled on the field, not by a couple of biased fans. Good luck.

Ask anyone in the baseball world and they will tell you otherwise.

Without a criteria for ranking these programs it will absolutely turn into a dick measuring contest.

A better way of doing this would be:

1. Tradition (1-5 pts): does the program have a winning tradition, fan support, alumni with high level of success in MLB, other intangibles
2. All time Winning Percentage (1-5 points): self explanatory
3. Post Season (1-5 pts): winning % in the post season, super regionals
4. Facilities (1-5 pts): quality of baseball facilities
5. University Intangibles (1-5 pts): academics driven, location and proximity to recruiting

Of course, using a system like I described above takes more time and requires more than snap judgement opinions.

Using this formula I would give USF this self eval:

1. Tradition: (2) (really good program in the 80 and early 90s that was allowed to decay due to poor facilities and decision making)

2. All time winning record: (3) (should be much higher but not the worst and certainly not the best in the conference)

3. Post Season: (2) USF was two outs away from a college world series in the mid-80s and a regular post season selection until the last 10-12 years

4. Facilities: (5) - not many better facilities around the country never mind in the AAC. one of the few things Woolard got right...even if it was 10 years too late.

5. University Intangibles: (4) - USF should be a GREAT baseball job but it hasn't been. Great location and weather year round, top 50 research university, high major recruits within 90 mile radius; location and great facilities and academic support program. IMO, we finally have the athletic department leadership in place to help realize this potential and take advantage of some the resources other schools around the conference only wished they possessed.

Total Score: 16/25

Pretty harsh but honest/accurate assessment IMO. Metrics 4 & 5 indicate high potential to become an elite program in the conference and relevant nationally.

Would any USF fans disagree?

(06-04-2014 09:50 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:45 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:39 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:35 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 09:32 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  26 NCAA Tournament appearances vs. 12

3 Super Regionals vs. Zero

Better stadium

12th all time winningest program vs. NR

So your past is why it's a better job? Sounds like dick measuring, not an objective opinion. That's my opinion, arguing with me won't convince me otherwise.

Lol, tradition+facilities+location generally are the factors that decide jobs.

No, it's another ECU fan cherry picking to falsely inflate your school's importance. ECU is a decent team from an AAC perspective, but not better than UCF currently. Agree/disagree, it doesn't matter. I believe what I believe, and it will all get settled on the field, not by a couple of biased fans. Good luck.

Ask anyone in the baseball world and they will tell you otherwise.

Just posting to get the last word..**** LOL

And that's beauty of opinions. I don't care what anyone says, it's an opinion, just like yours! LOL

Well we just had a coach turn down an interview with us likely for the USF job.

Move Tulane to like 4th-6th please.

Coaching job rankings do not = past performance.

Tulane is expensive which makes recruiting hard. Our AD is incompetent which makes running the program hard. Our students are apathetic which means a less raucous student section.

Tulane went from a top 10 coaching destination to 30-50. It's sad. Very sad.

ECU
1. Tradition: (4) this was as an elite job as you could be without being considered ‘elite’; great fanbase…shame what has happened to a great program
2. All time winning record: (4) – didn’t look up stats
3. Post Season: (4) – didn’t look up stats
4. Facilities: (4) – good enough to hold super regionals and support large fanbase; looks like a nice minor league facility
5. University Intangibles: (3) location and academic perception when compared to other schools in their conference has always been an ECU concern
Total Score: 19/25


UCF
1. Tradition: (3) Bergman was a well respected coach until his bat incident but put out some solid programs during his tenure; fan support similar to USF despite better facilities until three years ago; have had a good share of players drafted by MLB
2. All time winning record: (3) – didn’t look up stats
3. Post Season: (3) – didn’t look up stats; but when compared to the more successful programs in the conference I don’t think they have any super-regionals or deep post season runs;
4. Facilities: (3) – current facilities looked dated but functional; behind at least 6 programs in the state of florida; However they never let them become run down
5. University Intangibles (4): quality academics and on campus amenities ; popular school with undergrads in Florida; pretty much everything that I said about USF other than research reputation which is attractive to baseball recruits who generally unlike hoops and football players tend to be excellent students in their own right…coming out of high school.
Total Score: 16/25


...again, my opinion based on what I've observed in following state and conference rivals over the last 20 years or so...

(06-04-2014 10:00 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Well we just had a coach turn down an interview with us likely for the USF job.

Move Tulane to like 4th-6th please.

Coaching job rankings do not = past performance.

Tulane is expensive which makes recruiting hard. Our AD is incompetent which makes running the program hard. Our students are apathetic which means a less raucous student section.

Tulane went from a top 10 coaching destination to 30-50. It's sad. Very sad.

IMO Tulane Baseball was very tangibly affected by Hurricane Katrina in terms of losing program standing and momentum.

The ranking has no basis. Its just a fan touting his school.


Also, "tradition+facilities+location"

Money and recruiting also have influence. Hard to beat UCF on those.

I guess it would be fair to place us 6th or 7th, but with the facilities we have for baseball, I'd be shocked if we were the worst job in the conference. I think that's a bit much. UC has had some great players come through the system, but never had a good team. Our new coach has certainly changed some things with that program for the better. Let's hope it continues.

I think location has a lot to do with it. I think many good northern players prefer to play in warm weather areas - so the southern schools have a distinct advantage.