(06-04-2014 12:08 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  If you really think a regional appearance you made 30 years ago will persuade a coach to go to ECU over UCF then you're either a homer or severely misguided. If what you wanted to do was compare program tradition, then that's what you should've made this thread about.

UCF had an opening a few years back and we got LSU's recruiting coordinator, pitching coach, and batting coach out of it. LSU at the time was the defending National Champion and top-ranked team. If that doesn't scream good "coaching job" I don't know what does.

Yes, we know, his name is Cliff Godwin. He is from Snow Hill, NC about 20 miles from ECU. He was catcher for ECU under Coach LeClair and may be our next HC.

(06-04-2014 02:42 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  we certainly have the best history of any AAC school.

Debatable........

As good you have a a strong argument. The best?

(06-04-2014 03:14 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 02:42 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  we certainly have the best history of any AAC school.

Debatable........

As good you have a a strong argument. The best?

I put a lot more emphasis on recent/modern day results. So ya, the best.

(06-04-2014 03:37 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 03:14 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 02:42 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  we certainly have the best history of any AAC school.

Debatable........

As good you have a a strong argument. The best?

I put a lot more emphasis on recent/modern day results. So ya, the best.

Ok...... And I will leave UH out of this. Lets pit Tulane versus ECU since 2000.

Tulane: 8 NCAA Tournament Appreances and 2 Conference Champs

ECU: 11 NCAA Tournament Appreances and 3 Conference Champs

Close enough to say as good but step off that high horse buddy. You are not the best.

No question this is an outstanding baseball league... Here's my top 5

1. Houston
2. ECU
3. Tulane
4. South Florida
5. UCF

Back around 2001 or 2002, Boyd put out his EFI (External Factor Index).

From his website:

The playing field's not level. We all know that, at some level or another, some teams have advantages that have nothing to do with the players or the coaching staff. They're not morally wrong for having those advantages or anything, but we all know that our team could win it all if not for those dirty warm-weather, football-rich, big, public schools, right?

Here, I'm presenting some work done to try to quantify those advantages. As a basis for comparison, I've used the combined ISR's from the 1999 through 2001 seasons as a measure of team performance. Then I've taken a number of different numerical factors which might affect baseball results and tested them to see if there is a correlation between those factors and the ISR's. For those factors, I've combined them into a number which I call the External Factor Index, or EFI.

The factors which go into the EFI in its present form include the monthly average temperature and precipitation, enrollment, average tuition, wins over each of the last five years by the football (1-A only) and basketball teams, and conference revenue for the 1997-1998 year. There are, of course, other factors which could be included, overall athletic budget most notable among them, but I am, of course, limited to data that I can actually obtain.

In addition, beginning in 2000, I was able to add some data on academic standards -- the school's reported applicant acceptance rate, average high school GPA of the student body, and a couple of measures of standardized academic test scores.

The correlation between the EFI and the ISR for the data sets that I'm using comes to approximately .82. In crude terms, that means that, on average, roughly 2/3 of a team's success can be explained by factors not under their control. This is not intended to say that the efforts of the people involved don't matter; it's just intended to point out how hard it can be to overcome those obstacles -- folks like Wichita State and Rice deserve a good bit of praise.

Here's how he ranked current American schools. Bear in mind, he hasn't updated the EFI since 2002.

25. UCF
44. USF
59. Tulane
71. Cincy
74. Houston
100. East Carolina
114. Memphis
139. UConn

Clearly, the Florida schools had and still have a ton of potential; a ton of things going for them. They've never come close to reaching that potential.

According to Boyd, schools like Houston and East Carolina overachieved by making several Super Regionals each. In fact, comparing the EFI to the 1999-2001 ISR power rating, ECU (7th), Houston (20th) and Tulane (29th) were among the biggest overachieving schools in the nation.

I'm sure the EFI would look a little different today than it did in 2002. But not much. UCF wouldn't drop from 25 to 75. Maybe 40ish. ECU wouldn't rise from 100 to 50th. Maybe 80th.

PS External factors do not define how good the job is. You would have to combine internal factors, such as the school's commitment to baseball (reflected by their facilities and baseball budget) as well as fan support. In these areas, East Carolina shines.

(06-04-2014 03:59 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 03:37 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 03:14 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 02:42 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  we certainly have the best history of any AAC school.

Debatable........

As good you have a a strong argument. The best?

I put a lot more emphasis on recent/modern day results. So ya, the best.

Ok...... And I will leave UH out of this. Lets pit Tulane versus ECU since 2000.

Tulane: 8 NCAA Tournament Appreances and 2 Conference Champs

ECU: 11 NCAA Tournament Appreances and 3 Conference Champs

Close enough to say as good but step off that high horse buddy. You are not the best.

Oh ECU fans are the best. You missed two world series and #1 ranking for the majority of one of those seasons. Pretty sure that carries a bit of weight, and the last years have been unaccetable by TU standards. I stand by my POV, strongly. I also don't think TU is a top 3 job in this league because of our tuition and admin. High horse, please it's a dam discusion board.

(06-04-2014 04:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Oh ECU fans are the best. You missed two world series and #1 ranking for the majority of one of those seasons. Pretty sure that carries a bit of weight, and the last years have been unaccetable by TU standards. I stand by my POV, strongly. I also don't think TU is a top 3 job in this league because of our tuition and admin. High horse, please it's a dam discusion board.

How am I am ECU fan? Far from it. Just objectively pointing out the flaw in your opinion.

You barely eclipse our (Houston's) feats since 2000 (7 NCAA Tournament Appreances and 2 Conference Champs).

Ok you won two super regionals good for you..... End of year rankings are all that matter once the year has passed (in any sport) glad you have your "mythical" national championship being ranked #1 for a period of time.

I said high horse because you said you were the best (I said you were among the best) and despite the facts you won’t back down. Sounds pretty stuck up to me....

(06-04-2014 04:44 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 04:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Oh ECU fans are the best. You missed two world series and #1 ranking for the majority of one of those seasons. Pretty sure that carries a bit of weight, and the last years have been unaccetable by TU standards. I stand by my POV, strongly. I also don't think TU is a top 3 job in this league because of our tuition and admin. High horse, please it's a dam discusion board.

How am I am ECU fan? Far from it. Just objectively pointing out the flaw in your opinion.

You barely eclipse our (Houston's) feats since 2000 (7 NCAA Tournament Appreances and 2 Conference Champs).

Ok you won two super regionals good for you..... End of year rankings are all that matter once the year has passed (in any sport) glad you have your "mythical" national championship being ranked #1 for a period of time.

I said high horse because you said you were the best (I said you were among the best) and despite the facts you won’t back down. Sounds pretty stuck up to me....

National championship, who said anything about that? World series matter, alot. Is the gap large, no, but to me it is clear. Moving forward, i'd rather coach at usf, ucf or houston so there is no bias. I hope ya'll crush texas, that would change the equation.

BA rated tu the 16th beat program in the 2000's i believe, so there's that as well

(06-04-2014 05:02 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 04:44 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 04:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Oh ECU fans are the best. You missed two world series and #1 ranking for the majority of one of those seasons. Pretty sure that carries a bit of weight, and the last years have been unaccetable by TU standards. I stand by my POV, strongly. I also don't think TU is a top 3 job in this league because of our tuition and admin. High horse, please it's a dam discusion board.

How am I am ECU fan? Far from it. Just objectively pointing out the flaw in your opinion.

You barely eclipse our (Houston's) feats since 2000 (7 NCAA Tournament Appreances and 2 Conference Champs).

Ok you won two super regionals good for you..... End of year rankings are all that matter once the year has passed (in any sport) glad you have your "mythical" national championship being ranked #1 for a period of time.

I said high horse because you said you were the best (I said you were among the best) and despite the facts you won’t back down. Sounds pretty stuck up to me....

National championship, who said anything about that? World series matter, alot. Is the gap large, no, but to me it is clear. Moving forward, i'd rather coach at usf, ucf or houston so there is no bias. I hope ya'll crush texas, that would change the equation.

BA rated tu the 16th beat program in the 2000's i believe, so there's that as well

Again Tulane is a good program just think there lacks a case for the wave or any school to claim they are the best.

Any of the top 4-5 schools could make a strong argument.

Thanks for the support I hope we destroy the bonghorns as well!!!

Come on. UCF should have been in a regional.
ECU should have been preparing a want-ad for a coach.

(06-04-2014 10:37 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  The ranking has no basis. Its just a fan touting his school.


Also, "tradition+facilities+location"

Money and recruiting also have influence. Hard to beat UCF on those.

Money? We don't even have the money to finish our baseball renovations.

Come on guys you are all forgetting the mantra...

ECU is the Best

Everything that happens at ECU belongs on this board

ECU is the Best



If you learn that and come to grips with it, you will enjoy this board much much more.

(06-04-2014 07:38 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Come on guys you are all forgetting the mantra...

ECU is the Best

Everything that happens at ECU belongs on this board

ECU is the Best

If you learn that and come to grips with it, you will enjoy this board much much more.

(06-04-2014 04:44 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 04:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Oh ECU fans are the best. You missed two world series and #1 ranking for the majority of one of those seasons. Pretty sure that carries a bit of weight, and the last years have been unaccetable by TU standards. I stand by my POV, strongly. I also don't think TU is a top 3 job in this league because of our tuition and admin. High horse, please it's a dam discusion board.

How am I am ECU fan? Far from it. Just objectively pointing out the flaw in your opinion.

Lol, we've become so unpopular on these boards that the minute someone says something positive about ECU, they're automatically labeled an ECU fan. Without so much as a glance to the username....

The metric should consist of some measurement of (in no order):

1. Facilities
2. Support-- can go two ways. Strong support is awesome if you just won, two losses in a row bring the threats to your door.
3. External Factors
4. Administrative vision
5. How far you would have to go to meet the administrative vision.

Number 5 would be weighed heavily if it were me. Everything could be top notch, but if the administration has extremely high expectations and a team full of scrubs, idk if I'd go.

Sure wished SMU still had baseball. Old enough to remember/watched when SMU did have a baseball program. Title 9 killed it off. . . Shame too, with all the baseball talent in the D/FW area.

(06-06-2014 07:29 AM)The Real LHS81 Wrote:  Sure wished SMU still had baseball. Old enough to remember/watched when SMU did have a baseball program. Title 9 killed it off. . . Shame too, with all the baseball talent in the D/FW area.

cant yall start a baseball and a softball team? that should keep title IX in check

bowling, LAX, field hockey, sand volleyball?

(06-06-2014 08:58 AM)FuzzyHasek Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 07:29 AM)The Real LHS81 Wrote:  Sure wished SMU still had baseball. Old enough to remember/watched when SMU did have a baseball program. Title 9 killed it off. . . Shame too, with all the baseball talent in the D/FW area.

cant yall start a baseball and a softball team? that should keep title IX in check

bowling, LAX, field hockey, sand volleyball?

SMU would have to add another women's sport before they would add baseball to keep up with Title 9. . . Having said that. SMU would probably bring back the men's track program, or add lacrosse, before they would/could have the $$$ resources to bring back baseball.

Another problem is SMU is landlocked as far as facilities goes Big if! The only place the Ponies could perhaps build any additional athletic facilities would be across Central Expressway amongst the high rise office towers. . . Which is now SMU's "East" campus.

I love how anything positive about ECU always gets smashed by fans from other schools...even if the positive was being ranked in the middle. LOL! It's funny because these same fans pump up their own school and don't have to defend too hard against those who disagree. Wreaks of people who are scared. Maybe not justified in being scared, but definitely are.

ECU and UCF are probably at the same place where their current teams are. The Pirates had too much talent to end up the way they did this year...and the coaching change result speaks for itself. UCF definitely has better coaching as it currently stands. But that isn't indicative of which is a better job. UCF is on the rise, no doubt. I still think Tulane, ECU and Houston are more sought after jobs and the programs are ahead as well. I see programs as a separate thing from the coaching job and the current team, though those pieces play a large role in the level of the program. Having a down year or two doesn't mean someone else's program is better...just their current team. I have nothing against USF baseball, but I'm not sure how anyone would rank them above UCF that is probably the better argument IMHO. Lack of education on my part I'm sure as everyone has them high an no UCF fans are disagreeing. If someone provide USF's upside (not including potential), I'll sit back and learn something good about one of my conference mates.

(06-06-2014 10:25 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  I love how anything positive about ECU always gets smashed by fans from other schools...

You must've missed where fans from other schools were smashed by ECU fans anytime they listed ECU lower than their fans would've liked despite this being an opinion thread.