(04-25-2014 10:07 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 10:03 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 08:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 07:08 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:08 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Then the P5 may implode further into a P4. . Nobody cares about the P5 anymore.

Highly unlikely the P5 becomes P4. I agree no one cares about the P5, that is why TV pays them the big bucks, and on average they have 2 to 4 times as many butts in seats compared to gang schools.

I'm from the never say never camp on such because the one thing the economy and its micro version intercollegiate athletics has shown us is when the marketplace becomes disrupted sweeping changes take place.

The late 80's-early 90's realignment was about title games and being more attractive under the CFA contract.

The 1995-99 realignment was about the post-CFA world where conferences had to cut their own TV deals that brought us Big XII as neither the Big 8 nor SWC was able to do a deal competitive with SEC, Big 10, Pac-10. C-USA emerged because the southern indies no longer had the CFA to handle their TV. MWC emerged because the new WAC deal wasn't especially lucrative split 16 ways and the members couldn't preserve the games that were best for gate receipts.

This more recent round has been about conference owned channels and the broader spectrum of distribution avenues as more channels have emerged and additionally fueled by the premium for live content that is unlikely to be time-shifted by viewers.

Come 2020 when nearly every television set comes app ready and the devices like Roku, Apple TV, and the Amazon box are more common the distribution model may change and the alignments needed to profit may change. Maybe Texas and Michigan like Notre Dame no longer want or need a conference handling their business and they sell direct to nation sellers and via their own TV app. Or maybe with direct selling taking place, the conferences need to grow larger to make their subscription package a must have.

The economic model down the road will shape what it all looks like.

With time slots on traditional TV being gobbled up by the P5 I think the G5 schools would be wise to band together to form their own G5 Network that is strictly internet based. Cut deals with Roku, Apple, Cromecast, Sony TV, and such to offer access to streaming games across the country. The current 64 schools in the G5 cover just about every major media market in the nation so there would be plenty of potential viewers. I dont think we can compete with the P5 as individual conferences trying to fight each other, but could bring in some good money as a whole.

Your main problem with that is the AAC not wanting to associate, or be associated, with the rest of G5.

True, but they are going to have to face reality at some point.

The G5 can match what the P5 establishes or it could do something different.

Why that is lost on all the posters here I do not understand. Who wants to copy exactly what the P5 is offering when offering something unique would stand out on the recruiting trail?

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I think Aresco at least knows what the reality is. He may say differently but I think he sees value in G5 solidarity

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Oh God AGS is hilarious.

(04-25-2014 01:26 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Oh God AGS is hilarious.

What are they saying? Let me guess. All FBS G-5 schools will join with the FCS at any time now.

(04-25-2014 01:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 01:26 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Oh God AGS is hilarious.

What are they saying? Let me guess. All FBS G-5 schools will join with the FCS at any time now.

LFN is doing his normal "journalist" thing.

(04-25-2014 01:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 01:26 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Oh God AGS is hilarious.

What are they saying? Let me guess. All FBS G-5 schools will join with the FCS at any time now.

Any day now...

(04-25-2014 01:34 PM)Klak Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 01:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 01:26 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Oh God AGS is hilarious.

What are they saying? Let me guess. All FBS G-5 schools will join with the FCS at any time now.

Any day now...

Not to mention it's a fact that 75% of NCAA institutions voted against the evil 5 conferences that are trying to perpetuate this fascist policy.

Never mind that of the 109 negative responses I've seen to the original vote on stipends, only around 7% of them were FBS schools.....so yea.

"We can't have it, so you can't either." That basically summarizes the argument.

Knew that GaSo and App were toast because we both joined the "dark side".
I have not been going there because they remind me of the JMU thread on their site that
talks each other into believing that any day that the AAC will invite them into their conference.
When you just talk amongst yourself you start seeing signs that are not really signs. At
least guess they are not following airplane landings from various FBS sites and/or conferences
that are actually just flights.

(04-24-2014 05:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 05:07 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 05:04 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Done the playoff bit when we were 1AA. I like the bowls better.

I loved the playoffs and will miss them. I can see the allure of bowls as well. I'm happy either way, but bowls will be much better when the financial burden of ticket sales is placed on the bowl and not on the schools.

I've been to playoff games.
I've been to bowls.

No comparison. Bowls are more fun. You get weeks to make your plans and if it a reasonable distance you can't beat hanging out with thousands of people wearing the school colors in another city partying and celebrating a fun season. You want to arrive a couple days in advance and have a football vacation.

My biggest knock on the playoffs was only having 4-5 days to plan for where you were going next. Being able to plan in advance is huge. However, there is something to be said about the excitement associated with the playoff experience and especially a NC game. I enjoyed and cherish all those playoff and NC games we attended, but I look forward to the bowl games in App's future.

(04-25-2014 11:29 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think Aresco at least knows what the reality is. He may say differently but I think he sees value in G5 solidarity

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I disagree. I do not think Aresco wants to be associated with the G5 as do any of the schools in the AAC. This is not a slam on the rest of the G5 but the AAC schools are in different financial boats that most of the G5 schools.

I think you will find Aresco, being directed by the AAC schools, to fight to keep pace with P5 no matter what the cost. The AAC has a tremendous amount of money sitting in its war chest. That just in itself gives the conference an edge that the other G5 do not have. Again, this is not about bragging rights, it is simply a matter of cash and vision for the AAC schools. The next big moment for the AAC will be whether or not the conference is able renegotiate its current contract with ESPN. Aresco mentioned this in an interview a month ago, and said that the AAC has a window in which to do so. If the AAC does receive more money, then I think you will see even less cooperation from the AAC with the rest of the G5.

If the AAC can not keep up financially with the P5, than I would love to see new conferences form within the G5 that are more regional in nature. My sense however, is that the AAC is willing to spend millions and millions of dollars to stay viable with the P5. Most of the schools in the AAC see themselves as P5 schools already.

They may see themselves as P5 but the "Powers" that be do not.

They don't consider themselves G5. The P5 does not consider them P5. So they sit alone at one end of the lifeboat. But when our end of the boat goes down theirs will too.

(04-26-2014 10:35 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  They don't consider themselves G5. The P5 does not consider them P5. So they sit alone at one end of the lifeboat. But when our end of the boat goes down theirs will too.

I don't believe the G5 schools are all in the same lifeboat. Each school in the G5 is essentially on its own. The schools that have money, and fan support will survive and those that don't will not. If anything, we will see a continued grouping of the strong schools, again those schools can be in any of the G5 conferences, and a fading of those who cannot survive.

I think this is horrendous for college sports. If a school wants to compete it should be able to do so with the budget it has available without fear of being left out of the competition . Unfortunately, unless some time of lawsuit occurs, we are in a game of survival and not what is best for college sports or the student-athlete.

(04-26-2014 10:49 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 10:35 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  They don't consider themselves G5. The P5 does not consider them P5. So they sit alone at one end of the lifeboat. But when our end of the boat goes down theirs will too.

I don't believe the G5 schools are all in the same lifeboat. Each school in the G5 is essentially on its own. The schools that have money, and fan support will survive and those that don't will not. If anything, we will see a continued grouping of the strong schools, again those schools can be in any of the G5 conferences, and a fading of those who cannot survive.

I think this is horrendous for college sports. If a school wants to compete it should be able to do so with the budget it has available without fear of being left out of the competition . Unfortunately, unless some time of lawsuit occurs, we are in a game of survival and not what is best for college sports or the student-athlete.

We are all in the same lifeboat. Some of us just have a little more water and crackers than the others do.

GOOD LINE-water and crackers!!

(04-26-2014 10:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 10:49 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 10:35 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  They don't consider themselves G5. The P5 does not consider them P5. So they sit alone at one end of the lifeboat. But when our end of the boat goes down theirs will too.

I don't believe the G5 schools are all in the same lifeboat. Each school in the G5 is essentially on its own. The schools that have money, and fan support will survive and those that don't will not. If anything, we will see a continued grouping of the strong schools, again those schools can be in any of the G5 conferences, and a fading of those who cannot survive.

I think this is horrendous for college sports. If a school wants to compete it should be able to do so with the budget it has available without fear of being left out of the competition . Unfortunately, unless some time of lawsuit occurs, we are in a game of survival and not what is best for college sports or the student-athlete.

We are all in the same lifeboat. Some of us just have a little more water and crackers than the others do.

since when did any of the G5 teams make it into a lifeboat?

i like to think all of the G5 are still on the sinking titanic. some are on the top deck gathering floatable objects getting ready for the cold dip.....while others are still stuck 5 decks below trying to scramble up to the top deck.

(04-26-2014 10:49 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 10:35 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  They don't consider themselves G5. The P5 does not consider them P5. So they sit alone at one end of the lifeboat. But when our end of the boat goes down theirs will too.

I don't believe the G5 schools are all in the same lifeboat. Each school in the G5 is essentially on its own. The schools that have money, and fan support will survive and those that don't will not. If anything, we will see a continued grouping of the strong schools, again those schools can be in any of the G5 conferences, and a fading of those who cannot survive.

I think this is horrendous for college sports. If a school wants to compete it should be able to do so with the budget it has available without fear of being left out of the competition . Unfortunately, unless some time of lawsuit occurs, we are in a game of survival and not what is best for college sports or the student-athlete.

The difference between being G5 and P5 is that P5 conferences generate enough league revenue that they can survive all but the most disastrous decisions at the school level (see Maryland close call).

A turn of bad luck and/or bad decisions at ECU or Houston has far more damage potential than it has at Texas Tech or NC State. Remember a few years ago, just before their second BCS appearance, Boise had to cut some positions and cut back in spending because their ticket and giving growth simply slowed from what had been a solid pace.

Dealing with a million dollar shortfall at Memphis is much harder to deal with than that number at Tennessee.

All G5's are on their own because their leagues don't generate enough revenue to be a crisis financial lifeboat nor enough to be a major source of operating revenue.

(04-27-2014 06:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 10:49 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 10:35 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  They don't consider themselves G5. The P5 does not consider them P5. So they sit alone at one end of the lifeboat. But when our end of the boat goes down theirs will too.

I don't believe the G5 schools are all in the same lifeboat. Each school in the G5 is essentially on its own. The schools that have money, and fan support will survive and those that don't will not. If anything, we will see a continued grouping of the strong schools, again those schools can be in any of the G5 conferences, and a fading of those who cannot survive.

I think this is horrendous for college sports. If a school wants to compete it should be able to do so with the budget it has available without fear of being left out of the competition . Unfortunately, unless some time of lawsuit occurs, we are in a game of survival and not what is best for college sports or the student-athlete.

The difference between being G5 and P5 is that P5 conferences generate enough league revenue that they can survive all but the most disastrous decisions at the school level (see Maryland close call).

A turn of bad luck and/or bad decisions at ECU or Houston has far more damage potential than it has at Texas Tech or NC State. Remember a few years ago, just before their second BCS appearance, Boise had to cut some positions and cut back in spending because their ticket and giving growth simply slowed from what had been a solid pace.

Dealing with a million dollar shortfall at Memphis is much harder to deal with than that number at Tennessee.

All G5's are on their own because their leagues don't generate enough revenue to be a crisis financial lifeboat nor enough to be a major source of operating revenue.

True, but to be fair, most P5 schools generate more off ticket sales and donations that they do from media. That's the place where most G5 schools need to improve. If a schools can reach that 40-50K attendance average, the ticket and donation income stream will offset the poor media contracts to large extent. If 10-14 G5 schools can reach those ticket sales level, a conference including these schools would likely command a decent media value (10-12 million a school) and the conference would be fairly well received by the bowls.

(04-27-2014 08:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-27-2014 06:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 10:49 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 10:35 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  They don't consider themselves G5. The P5 does not consider them P5. So they sit alone at one end of the lifeboat. But when our end of the boat goes down theirs will too.

I don't believe the G5 schools are all in the same lifeboat. Each school in the G5 is essentially on its own. The schools that have money, and fan support will survive and those that don't will not. If anything, we will see a continued grouping of the strong schools, again those schools can be in any of the G5 conferences, and a fading of those who cannot survive.

I think this is horrendous for college sports. If a school wants to compete it should be able to do so with the budget it has available without fear of being left out of the competition . Unfortunately, unless some time of lawsuit occurs, we are in a game of survival and not what is best for college sports or the student-athlete.

The difference between being G5 and P5 is that P5 conferences generate enough league revenue that they can survive all but the most disastrous decisions at the school level (see Maryland close call).

A turn of bad luck and/or bad decisions at ECU or Houston has far more damage potential than it has at Texas Tech or NC State. Remember a few years ago, just before their second BCS appearance, Boise had to cut some positions and cut back in spending because their ticket and giving growth simply slowed from what had been a solid pace.

Dealing with a million dollar shortfall at Memphis is much harder to deal with than that number at Tennessee.

All G5's are on their own because their leagues don't generate enough revenue to be a crisis financial lifeboat nor enough to be a major source of operating revenue.

True, but to be fair, most P5 schools generate more off ticket sales and donations that they do from media. That's the place where most G5 schools need to improve. If a schools can reach that 40-50K attendance average, the ticket and donation income stream will offset the poor media contracts to large extent. If 10-14 G5 schools can reach those ticket sales level, a conference including these schools would likely command a decent media value (10-12 million a school) and the conference would be fairly well received by the bowls.

The only conferences that the media and the bowls will care anything about in the future are the P-5 conferences. The AAC may be closer to P-5 level than the rest of the G-5 conferences, but it doesn't matter. You guys are being blackballed just like the rest of us. Believe it or not, I feel sorry for programs like USF, UCF, UH, and Boise, schools that have done all the right things to be able to move up only to be pushed aside by the powers that be. You guys will probably live in denial for the next five or six years, but reality will begin to soak in eventually. The P-5 conferences have spoken, and you guys missed out on an invite to the party too.