Tulsa has NEVER had this much talk about hiring a basketball coach. Doesn't matter about whether its good, bad or indifferent. Regardless, Haith’s namesake is having the desired effect their athletic dept wanted. And it is all about name recognition and raising the visibility of the program like Wolken and Forde and others have mentioned and are trying to explain to regular joe smo.

Are all these people talking about the Haith hire not the National Public?

Pat Forde didn't say that the hire was a good one, and I've seen nothing from Dan Wolken that says this is a good hire.

Dan Wolken‏@DanWolken·Feb 26
"There was a pretty large sample size on Frank Haith at Miami - and he had talent there. Playing out at Mizzou same way. 2012 was anomaly."

Dan Wolken‏@DanWolken·Apr 17
"I’m assuming Tulsa AD Derrick Gragg, who was once the head compliance official at Michigan, has read the Miami report, hasn’t he?"

Dan Wolken‏@DanWolken·Apr 17
"If you’re going to be serious about competing with UConn, Cincy, Memphis, SMU, now Houston w/Sampson, you need a player-getter." (Another vieled shot at Haith, tweeted right after the stuff about the Miami report, in which he's pegged for paying $10,000 for Dequan Jones).

Dan got jokes.

(04-19-2014 09:45 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Are all these people talking about the Haith hire not the National Public?

Pat Forde didn't say that the hire was a good one, and I've seen nothing from Dan Wolken that says this is a good hire.

Dan Wolken‏@DanWolken·Feb 26
"There was a pretty large sample size on Frank Haith at Miami - and he had talent there. Playing out at Mizzou same way. 2012 was anomaly."

Wolken just said it on local radio show yesterday. Forde said it on tv two days ago. The simple fact you're steadily talking about a hire for TULSA of all places says it all. You simply can't seem to comprehend what the program's agenda is here. It's about having more relevance nationally. You actually think if they hire an assistant it gets this much attention? They're moving up to the AAC. You just don't seem to have a clue as to what's going on. But continue to surf that net charlie..lol

(04-19-2014 09:48 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Dan Wolken‏@DanWolken·Apr 17
"If you’re going to be serious about competing with UConn, Cincy, Memphis, SMU, now Houston w/Sampson, you need a player-getter." (Another vieled shot at Haith, tweeted right after the stuff about the Miami report, in which he's pegged for paying $10,000 for Dequan Jones).

Dan got jokes.

Dan's also more in touch with Tulsa's agenda here and stated in on the radio yesterday. Again, no one would be talking this much about a Tulsa hire as Dan mentioned. Its having the desired effect. Now keep adding to the conversation with your constant "he can't coach" drivel. Lol

OK TBS, my job here is finished I guess. I've laid ou the evidence. Polls. National reactions. Haith's coaching stats. I made the arguments. You've got your mind made up and you mustered what evidence you could.

I offered a bet on how Haith would do at Tulsa. That was ignored.

I'd say we're at an impasse. Have a good weekend, my man.

(04-19-2014 10:14 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  OK TBS, my job here is finished I guess. I've laid ou the evidence. Polls. National reactions. Haith's coaching stats. I made the arguments. You've got your mind made up and you mustered what evidence you could.

I offered a bet on how Haith would do at Tulsa. That was ignored.

I'd say we're at an impasse. Have a good weekend, my man.

Lol...the simple fact that there's been so much talk about a Tulsa hire is evidence their brand has been raised, which is what you'd expect to get with a Frank Haith hire over an unknown assistant.

Lastly, you show how desperate you are to want to wager a bet on a message board and over a Tulsa bb coach who has yet to coach a game there..lol

You take this message board crap too seriously. I'd suggest you take a break and enjoy the weekend. Remember, facts> opinions.

Tulsa hired a bigger name than Missouri will

(04-19-2014 12:23 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  Tulsa hired a bigger name than Missouri will

and maybe even bigger than ut.

(04-19-2014 01:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 12:23 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  Tulsa hired a bigger name than Missouri will

and maybe even bigger than ut.

UT is going bargain basement, so even Haith's bad rep will be more noteworthy than anyone UT hires I bet.

(04-19-2014 01:45 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 01:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 12:23 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  Tulsa hired a bigger name than Missouri will

and maybe even bigger than ut.

UT is going bargain basement, so even Haith's bad rep will be more noteworthy than anyone UT hires I bet.

I saw you, or a poster with your name, over on volnation advising them in their search.

Why is the bigness of the name the barometer by which you gauge how good the hire is? That has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome. Minnesota hired a national title winning coach a few years back and got exactly 1 tourament victory out of him before they fired him. Nothing you guys are saying makes sense.

(04-19-2014 03:06 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 01:45 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 01:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 12:23 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  Tulsa hired a bigger name than Missouri will

and maybe even bigger than ut.

UT is going bargain basement, so even Haith's bad rep will be more noteworthy than anyone UT hires I bet.

I saw you, or a poster with your name, over on volnation advising them in their search.

I was telling someone else; I'm glad we're not trying to replace a coach this season. Say what you will about Josh, but the names that are willing to talk about new gigs are just not impressive.

UT can get a young, exiciting new coach for cheap, but he'll be anything but a proven winner. There just aren't homerun hires out there to be had.

(04-19-2014 03:40 PM)Rob Wrote:  Why is the bigness of the name the barometer by which you gauge how good the hire is? That has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome. Minnesota hired a national title winning coach a few years back and got exactly 1 tourament victory out of him before they fired him. Nothing you guys are saying makes sense.

Exactly. The public opinion is what matters, but not the public opinion of people who watch basketball. People who watch basketball are the ones that know that Haith is a mope.

(04-18-2014 09:19 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Canes, it is simple. You are trying to act like anybody who says it is a good hire on the surface is saying they think he is going to win big at Tulsa. That is just silly and you know it. The general perception is that this is a good hire for Tulsa, or that they were likely not going to be able to get a coach with a better track record. In the past Tulsa, has always been resigned to hire "up and comers", granted they have a fantastic track record of picking out the great ones. However, in this case they got a national coach of the year from a "bigger and better" program. Surface and perceptions dictates that is good. On the court will likely not meet that perception, as beauty is only skin deep IMO in this case. I am not sure why you have decided to take such an extreme and silly position in this case. Who was Tulsa going to hire that has a better track record?

Why do you continue to try to engage in a discussion with this fencepost. Just do what I did; put him on Ignore and relax.

(04-19-2014 03:40 PM)Rob Wrote:  Why is the bigness of the name the barometer by which you gauge how good the hire is? That has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome. Minnesota hired a national title winning coach a few years back and got exactly 1 tourament victory out of him before they fired him. Nothing you guys are saying makes sense.

It's just you and one other poster on here. Obviously you're not aware of the many considerations an AD takes into account when they make a hire. Sorry about that.

(04-19-2014 08:02 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:19 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Canes, it is simple. You are trying to act like anybody who says it is a good hire on the surface is saying they think he is going to win big at Tulsa. That is just silly and you know it. The general perception is that this is a good hire for Tulsa, or that they were likely not going to be able to get a coach with a better track record. In the past Tulsa, has always been resigned to hire "up and comers", granted they have a fantastic track record of picking out the great ones. However, in this case they got a national coach of the year from a "bigger and better" program. Surface and perceptions dictates that is good. On the court will likely not meet that perception, as beauty is only skin deep IMO in this case. I am not sure why you have decided to take such an extreme and silly position in this case. Who was Tulsa going to hire that has a better track record?

Why do you continue to try to engage in a discussion with this fencepost. Just do what I did; put him on Ignore and relax.

Lol..

(04-19-2014 08:02 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:19 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Canes, it is simple. You are trying to act like anybody who says it is a good hire on the surface is saying they think he is going to win big at Tulsa. That is just silly and you know it. The general perception is that this is a good hire for Tulsa, or that they were likely not going to be able to get a coach with a better track record. In the past Tulsa, has always been resigned to hire "up and comers", granted they have a fantastic track record of picking out the great ones. However, in this case they got a national coach of the year from a "bigger and better" program. Surface and perceptions dictates that is good. On the court will likely not meet that perception, as beauty is only skin deep IMO in this case. I am not sure why you have decided to take such an extreme and silly position in this case. Who was Tulsa going to hire that has a better track record?

Why do you continue to try to engage in a discussion with this fencepost. Just do what I did; put him on Ignore and relax.

Great advice.

Donnie Tyndall and Michael White are solid coaches should MZ or UT end up with either.

I wouldn't rule out Howland either.

And Underwood at SFA is a dark horse.