(01-23-2014 05:19 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 05:15 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 05:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 05:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 04:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  from 1 delusional fan to another, i could ask you some basic questions about teams in this league i doubt youd even know the answer without googling.

and unlike you ive given actual legitimate reasoning, all 3 teams that you could argue were better than us get dramatically weaker losing key elements of there team and replacing them with heavy inexperience.
this has nothing to do with moral victories, its about common sense. the match-up was extremely close, 1 gets dramatically weaker, one is projected stronger. so im saying im surprised the one getting stronger isnt the favorite.

your ridiculousness reminds me of Rutgers fans last year, i projected them 4th behind UCF (ahead of houston despite me being a delusional homer). and they went off on me, i said they lost key players on there defense and that i didnt expect them to be as competitive losng extremely key role players and replacing them with inexperience. and unlike UCF this year there replacements were 4star recruits, they argued night and day. trash talked UCF about losses to tulsa and coming from C-usa, talked about nova nd the offense being dramatically better etc etc. i said ucf was competitive with an undefeated ohio state, that they were better than whatever c-usa stereotype they had and i expect them to come back stronger under bortles. in the end of the day almost everyteam with a decent offense score 40 on them (despite them being ranked a top 10 defense the year before)
im not giving any favoritism even to my team, im just looking at whats coming back, how everyone performed and projecting as such...this has no effect on the final outcome ucf didnt come in third they won the league... all i said from the beginning a fan of the league and being familiar with just about everyone that plays here (unlike you) and watched the majority of everyones game (unlike you) ..im surprised houston isnt the favorite, not on them might of houston alone but key loses to significant players on the other teams

Lol stop being so mad. U asked why no one was picking Houston as a favorite to win the league and I told you.

You beat no one with a pulse last year and in your final game got blown out by vandy (3+ scores). Want respect you have to earn it and 8-5 with no quality wins doesn't earn it. Losing 4 of your last 5 doesn't earn preseason favorite status. If you can't comprehend that I can't help you.

id say rice had a pulse but sure...and outside of houston, UC didn't beat a team with a winning record..and who did ECU beat?? a 6-6 unc is there best win, and that was before they changed qbs and offensive philosophies and had a turnaround ...

Congratulations. You just made the case as to why UCF is the favorite.

then i point out the temple and memphis games and that ucf has lost its qb (replaced by an underclassmen with no experience) and aswell as the starting rb with some key OL

And I retort that those teams played us closer than Houston. Under your reasoning, Memphis and Temple are better than Houston.

Yes we lost our QB, but our backup RB scored one of the few touchdowns against you guys. Our 2 deep on the OL has excellent experience, having played in many games, including the USCe game.

(01-23-2014 05:23 PM)TN Knightfan Wrote:  Pesik, I'm gonna break it down for you.

You can't go 0-5 against the 5 best teams on your schedule and expect to be talked about as a favorite over some of those same teams next year.

Houston isn't being talked up a lot because they went 7-5 against FBS teams and 2-5 in their last 7. Houston's 7 wins were against teams that went a combined 35-52 (17 of those wins were from CUSA teams, FWIW) and the 5 losses were teams that went 50-15.

If you want people to pick your team, they're going to have to actually beat some good teams, not just "almost" beat them.

Personally, I think Houston will be pretty good next year. But they didn't show enough last year to be picked over some of the teams that played very well. Projecting for next year we can only look at how teams did last year and try to make an assumption. Houston is assumed to be clearly below the ECUs, Cincis and UCFs of the conference because they beat bad teams and lost to good teams without exception last year.

This is College, not the NFL .. A LOT can change in a year and a lot does change in a year. Take the SEC Championship game this year as a perfect example, the year prior, Auburn was 3-9 and Mizzou was 5-7. Nobody picked them to win their respective divisions.

So basically what Cuban said about Mental Masturbation.

(01-23-2014 05:28 PM)knightalum74 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 05:23 PM)TN Knightfan Wrote:  Pesik, I'm gonna break it down for you.

You can't go 0-5 against the 5 best teams on your schedule and expect to be talked about as a favorite over some of those same teams next year.

Houston isn't being talked up a lot because they went 7-5 against FBS teams and 2-5 in their last 7. Houston's 7 wins were against teams that went a combined 35-52 (17 of those wins were from CUSA teams, FWIW) and the 5 losses were teams that went 50-15.

If you want people to pick your team, they're going to have to actually beat some good teams, not just "almost" beat them.

Personally, I think Houston will be pretty good next year. But they didn't show enough last year to be picked over some of the teams that played very well. Projecting for next year we can only look at how teams did last year and try to make an assumption. Houston is assumed to be clearly below the ECUs, Cincis and UCFs of the conference because they beat bad teams and lost to good teams without exception last year.

This is College, not the NFL .. A LOT can change in a year and a lot does change in a year. Take the SEC Championship game this year as a perfect example, the year prior, Auburn was 3-9 and Mizzou was 5-7. Nobody picked them to win their respective divisions.

So basically what Cuban said about Mental Masturbation.

I already told them all to watch out for 3-9 UCONN.

(01-22-2014 05:37 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  UCF
6 on offense
9 on defense

GOL always said next year was supposed to be "the year". 9 returning on defense and we would have had 8 on offense with Bortles and Storm. This year was definitely worth it, though.

(01-23-2014 05:23 PM)TN Knightfan Wrote:  Pesik, I'm gonna break it down for you.

You can't go 0-5 against the 5 best teams on your schedule and expect to be talked about as a favorite over some of those same teams next year.

Houston isn't being talked up a lot because they went 7-5 against FBS teams and 2-5 in their last 7. Houston's 7 wins were against teams that went a combined 35-52 (17 of those wins were from CUSA teams, FWIW) and the 5 losses were teams that went 50-15.

If you want people to pick your team, they're going to have to actually beat some good teams, not just "almost" beat them.

Personally, I think Houston will be pretty good next year. But they didn't show enough last year to be picked over some of the teams that played very well. Projecting for next year we can only look at how teams did last year and try to make an assumption. Houston is assumed to be clearly below the ECUs, Cincis and UCFs of the conference because they beat bad teams and lost to good teams without exception last year.

again im almost certain if you did that with ecu and UC, they'd be worse

and sbnation and cbssports have us second ...i wouldn't say we are clearly below anyone

and also i said i didn't even make my projections as a fan but on who losses what and how they stacked up last year. by your definition houston should have won c-usa the year after we went 12-1 because we had the only quality win in the league..but a proper analysis youd have to account for the fact that we lost keenum and our #1 recievers. you dont just vote a team atop solely of what they did the previous year and then not account for what they lost (aka we went 5-7 the next year)

Lmao bro if you were picked 2nd by sb nation and cbs sports then you are clearly behind someone. 2nd is clearly behind 1st.

again tho - depends on Houston's OL play

UCF also gets Willie Mitchell back. Hopefully he comes in with a renewed focused from what he had to miss out on last year. That was a huge blow for the Defense especially as we watched USCe run rampant over us in the 3rd Quarter.

(01-24-2014 09:40 AM)KnightsFan5912 Wrote:  UCF also gets Willie Mitchell back. Hopefully he comes in with a renewed focused from what he had to miss out on last year. That was a huge blow for the Defense especially as we watched USCe run rampant over us in the 3rd Quarter.

Mitchell + Clarke who will join Plummer, Gray, and McDonald.

Getting Mitchell and Green back is like adding two big time recruits who are already prepared to contribute immediately.

(01-23-2014 05:07 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Houston will be better. JOK will be better. That doesn't mean UH will be a favorite though. Injuries and bad luck are rampant in this game. But the truth is, popular opinion means squat, and these arguments are thankfully answered on the field.

Best post in the entire thread.

(01-24-2014 09:53 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:40 AM)KnightsFan5912 Wrote:  UCF also gets Willie Mitchell back. Hopefully he comes in with a renewed focused from what he had to miss out on last year. That was a huge blow for the Defense especially as we watched USCe run rampant over us in the 3rd Quarter.

Mitchell + Clarke who will join Plummer, Gray, and McDonald.

Getting Mitchell and Green back is like adding two big time recruits who are already prepared to contribute immediately.

We also get 3-4 guys back from injury on defense. Basically our defense will be stacked next year which is why all magazines will have us as favorite even tho I think Cinci or Ecu will be in the mix.

During the season, UH lost by 1 to BYU, 4 to UCF and 7 to Louisville and Cincinnati. While those are losses, those losses are not so egregious that UH should not be in the title discussion for next season.

Like has been said before, our success next year will hinge on our OL. I personally think with the losses endured, that Cincinnati should be favored to win followed by UH and UCF.

UH is certainly in title contention talks I just don't think many would peg them as the favorite. Except the one UH homer fan.

(01-24-2014 12:20 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  UH is certainly in title contention talks I just don't think many would peg them as the favorite. Except the one UH homer fan.

you are ridiculous, a hater, said atleast 5 incorrect statements, 13 illogical reasoning, i doubt you know a single thing about anyone in this league not UCF, or even watched a game not related to UCF that was an AAC regular season game

you are a ridiculous homer.. ucf could have lost the entire team to graduation im certain you'd still be talking about ucf running the table

i had UH 5 last year in my preseason poll (despite being a "homer" like you put it) , i have us 1st this year not necessarily because i think Houston is great but on the losses of significant players of the teams you could argue are better

i am extremely informed on just about everyone in this league, if i am making a unbiased preseason poll and give logical reasoning to everyone single one in my order (not on bias) and the #1 team just happens to be a team i root for, that makes me bias? i also have temple as my #5 pick for a lot of the same reasons i have for houston (despite only 2 wins last year). guess im a temple homer despite not being a fan of their team.

and a sidenote.. they are few people who do analytic projections, not on media hype. phil steele for example but his projections dont come out for months but id bet money hed have UH #1 for alot of the reasons ive said

(01-24-2014 12:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 12:20 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  UH is certainly in title contention talks I just don't think many would peg them as the favorite. Except the one UH homer fan.

you are ridiculous, a hater, said atleast 5 incorrect statements, 13 illogical reasoning, i doubt you know a single thing about anyone in this league not UCF, or even watched a game not related to UCF that was an AAC regular season game

you are a ridiculous homer.. ucf could have lost the entire team to graduation im certain you'd still be talking about ucf running the table

We don't have our entire team graduating though, we actually bring back as many players as you do from a better team. If you weren't such a homer you'd realize that although Houston is in the mix no one considers them a favorite to win the conference. Except you.

(01-24-2014 02:23 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 12:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 12:20 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  UH is certainly in title contention talks I just don't think many would peg them as the favorite. Except the one UH homer fan.

you are ridiculous, a hater, said atleast 5 incorrect statements, 13 illogical reasoning, i doubt you know a single thing about anyone in this league not UCF, or even watched a game not related to UCF that was an AAC regular season game

you are a ridiculous homer.. ucf could have lost the entire team to graduation im certain you'd still be talking about ucf running the table

We don't have our entire team graduating though, we actually bring back as many players as you do from a better team. If you weren't such a homer you'd realize that although Houston is in the mix no one considers them a favorite to win the conference. Except you.

again in 4 months ill bump this thread..99% percent of current projections are by people who likely don't know much about this league. when bill c. and phil steele do there projections in a few months using detailed analysis im almost certain both will have houston the favorite ..

the 3 projections that are out right now..athlon projected us 4-8 and 8th, scout had us at 5-7, also 8th last year, cbs had a panel us half had us 7th and lower ...ap projections had us 4th, phil steele had us 5 and bill c. had us 5.... i projected us 5th..we finished 4th....

ill remember to bump this after they release there projections

(01-24-2014 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 02:23 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 12:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 12:20 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  UH is certainly in title contention talks I just don't think many would peg them as the favorite. Except the one UH homer fan.

you are ridiculous, a hater, said atleast 5 incorrect statements, 13 illogical reasoning, i doubt you know a single thing about anyone in this league not UCF, or even watched a game not related to UCF that was an AAC regular season game

you are a ridiculous homer.. ucf could have lost the entire team to graduation im certain you'd still be talking about ucf running the table

We don't have our entire team graduating though, we actually bring back as many players as you do from a better team. If you weren't such a homer you'd realize that although Houston is in the mix no one considers them a favorite to win the conference. Except you.

again in 4 months ill bump this thread..99% percent of current projections are by people who likely don't know much about this league. when bill c. and phil steele do there projections in a few months using detailed analysis im almost certain both will have houston the favorite ..

the 3 projections that are out right now..athlon projected us 4-8 and 8th, scout had us at 5-7, also 8th last year, cbs had a panel us half had us 7th and lower ...ap projections had us 4th, phil steele had us 5 and bill c. had us 5.... i projected us 5th..we finished 4th....

ill remember to bump this after they release there projections

Wow. Do you remember what you posted that started all this nonsense? You asked why no one considers Houston a favorite. A dozen different people in this thread have told you. Now you're talking about bumping this thread in the future if someone considers Houston a favorite? Lol

(01-24-2014 11:42 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  During the season, UH lost by 1 to BYU, 4 to UCF and 7 to Louisville and Cincinnati. While those are losses, those losses are not so egregious that UH should not be in the title discussion for next season.

Like has been said before, our success next year will hinge on our OL. I personally think with the losses endured, that Cincinnati should be favored to win followed by UH and UCF.

Nobody is saying UH isn't in the discussion. We're just trying to explain to Pesik why UH isn't being picked as one of the favorites for next year. There's a couple teams that both beat Houston and bring back a load of players from excellent teams. That's why Houston isn't being picked as the favorite to win. Most of us definitely expect Houston to be a contender, but there are other teams people like a little more.