What happen with the Pinstriped Bowl?

(12-05-2013 03:04 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  What happen with the Pinstriped Bowl?

B10?

(12-05-2013 02:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

But can you say it with a straight face?

If you cancel out all the overlaps (primary ties), the comparison between C-USA and AAC boils down to:

AAC: Military Bowl x6, BBVA x6, Miami Beach x3, Beefy x3, Armed Forces x3

C-USA: Heart of Dallas x6, New Mexico x6, New Orleans x1, Boca x1

To me, the four remaining permanents are all washes, all four bowls that each will appear in 6 times without facing the others suck. We can quibble about how much they suck, but they all suck. Probably the best of the four is the Heart of Dallas (C-USA), the worst is the New Mexico (also C-USA)

The partials suck too, but we have 7 more committed slots. That's 7 bad bowl slots for us, an average of 1 more per year. So maybe each year, a 6th place, 6-6 AAC team gets to go to an awful bowl like the Armed Forces or Miami Beach while a similar C-USA team sits home.

That's an edge for us, but not one worth bragging alot about.

(12-05-2013 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

C-USA's lineup this season is better, and the long term comparison the AAC's is slightly better but not enough to really matter.

By this season are your referring to the 2013 bowl line up? Because AAC blows away CUSA for this season.

Now, one thing nobody has mentioned, but needs mentioning is that with this craptastic bowl line up, if we ever hope to get better opponents, we better go 6-0 or no worse than 5-1 every year, and hope to be in the Cotton, Fiesta, or Chick-fil-a bowl at least 4 out of the next 6 years. Otherwise, this is what we will always get, and no better.

Bowl lineup is better than expected as of a couple months ago. I've come to terms with it. Not great, but really not that bad, from what we were expecting. Couple bonuses in there like New Orleans and backup agreements. I'd like to see the terms from the backup deals...CUSA is claiming a backup to indy also...how does that work? Who gets prioritiy, or does the bowl just choose someone from either.

Bowl line up is significantly better than CUSA, IMO.

(12-05-2013 03:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 02:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

But can you say it with a straight face?

If you cancel out all the overlaps (primary ties), the comparison between C-USA and AAC boils down to:

AAC: Military Bowl x6, BBVA x6, Miami Beach x3, Beefy x3, Armed Forces x3

C-USA: Heart of Dallas x6, New Mexico x6, New Orleans x1, Boca x1

To me, the four remaining permanents are all washes, all four bowls that each will appear in 6 times without facing the others suck. We can quibble about how much they suck, but they all suck. Probably the best of the four is the Heart of Dallas (C-USA), the worst is the New Mexico (also C-USA)

The partials suck too, but we have 7 more committed slots. That's 7 bad bowl slots for us, an average of 1 more per year. So maybe each year, a 6th place, 6-6 AAC team gets to go to an awful bowl like the Armed Forces or Miami Beach while a similar C-USA team sits home.

That's an edge for us, but not one worth bragging alot about.

To me, that's GREAT news since Memphis might be that team.

CUSA: 14 teams...5 maybe 6 bowls...1-2 P5 match ups

AAC: 12 teams...6-7 bowls...3-4 P5 match ups

It's not great...but it's decent

(12-05-2013 03:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 02:55 PM)Xbones Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 01:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The list of G5 teams that I'd actually be excited to see ECU play is pretty short. Boise, Fresno, maybe Air Force, USM, Marshall, App, Charlotte, and ODU. That's really it and the last 5 really are only interesting to me and probably some other ECU fans. For the most part the G5 teams I'm actually interested in ECU playing are in the AAC.

Better not expect a lot of ECU fans to be company with you in bowl games with those last four teams. We would be disappointed and would struggle to sell tickets to bowl games with those teams. Despite being an opener, attendance this year with ODU at home was marginal.

I don't expect a lot to agree with me but the truth is those games would be more interesting to ECU fans then random Sun-Belt/MAC teams. I'd be much more likely to attend a bowl game against one of them than Toledo or WKU or Arkansas State or whatever other random G5 team that has no tie to ECU in any way.

So... for example you had rather travel to say the Beef O'Brady Bowl to see ECU play ODU, a team that was beaten by UNC 80-20 with a shortened 4th quarter and with the Tarheels ending the game with a knee on 4th and goal rather than watch us play Toledo, a team that was ranked #23 late in the season last year? Seriously?

(12-05-2013 03:31 PM)Xbones Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 03:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 02:55 PM)Xbones Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 01:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The list of G5 teams that I'd actually be excited to see ECU play is pretty short. Boise, Fresno, maybe Air Force, USM, Marshall, App, Charlotte, and ODU. That's really it and the last 5 really are only interesting to me and probably some other ECU fans. For the most part the G5 teams I'm actually interested in ECU playing are in the AAC.

Better not expect a lot of ECU fans to be company with you in bowl games with those last four teams. We would be disappointed and would struggle to sell tickets to bowl games with those teams. Despite being an opener, attendance this year with ODU at home was marginal.

I don't expect a lot to agree with me but the truth is those games would be more interesting to ECU fans then random Sun-Belt/MAC teams. I'd be much more likely to attend a bowl game against one of them than Toledo or WKU or Arkansas State or whatever other random G5 team that has no tie to ECU in any way.

So... for example you had rather travel to say the Beef O'Brady Bowl to see ECU play ODU, a team that was beaten by UNC 80-20 with a shortened 4th quarter and with the Tarheels ending the game with a knee on 4th and goal rather than watch us play Toledo, a team that was ranked #23 late in the season last year? Seriously?

Yes seriously, because I don't give a crap about the fact that Toledo was ranked late last season. If you hadn't told me I wouldn't have ever known. Toledo means absolutely nothing to me. I'm not even saying ODU means a lot to me but if given the choice between who I'd be more likely to go watch ECU play an unranked ODU or an unranked Toledo it's ODU. Same goes for App, Charlotte, or Marshall. The only way I'd rather play a MAC team in a bowl than one of those is if the MAC team was actually ranked at the time we played them.

(12-05-2013 12:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 09:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Paging AttackCoog...

Hold on, your going to be shocked. Since those of us that really stayed on top of this stuff already knew most of it---there will be no melt down at all from me. That's already happened. Just the opposite---I actually see upside surprises. We have slots in the New Orleans Bowl (very happy about that) and we have backup agreements with the Indy Bowl that will likely yield a P-5 opponent on a regular basis. Im curious what the Indy details are because CUSA claims to also have a secondary agreement there.

The Liberty backup, as discussed before is useless. Not sure of the point with the Poinsettia backup---its also kinda useless. But overall, for the first time I can remember in the AAC---things actually turned out a little better than the latest news reports were indicating. New Orleans will be fun and helps out with a close destination for the western 6-6 or 7-5 teams. The Indy backup could possibly provide the conference with an additional P-5 matchup in most years (yeah, its a dump--but its a P-5 opponent and its better than Birmingham).

Lets hope we are backing up the SEC school in the Indy and C-USA is backing up the ACC. If that is the case we would pretty much be here every year if you take the last 2 years as your sample of the SEC they would have filled neither season. So this would be very valuable. Maybe it is a similar deal to the Liberty/Compass now where we switch out or something if we get this with another bowl game.

I wouldn't be certain the Liberty gets filled every year either. I could see us claiming that a couple of times over the six year cycle. If the Liberty is the 8th SEC pick and they happen to get 3 teams into the playoff they would need 10 teams to fill that spot. I could see that falling in our laps occasionally. Also the Big 12 only has 6 teams eligible this season. If they were to place mutlitple teams in the playoff they could have an opening as well.

I do agree the New Orleans Bowl is a nice surprise. Hopefully the league does well over the next 3-4 seasons so when we begin negotiations for the 2020-2025 bowl cycle we can maybe secure a better lineup. For instance if the SEC places no team in the Independence would they really sign on again with them??? Maybe grab that for all 6 and dump the bahamas or something. Now that we know where we stand we can potentially be more aggressive where we have a better product to offer.

(12-05-2013 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

In the long term, AAC is slightly better but not enough to really matter.

Slightly better?

The American has 17-18 bowl slots over 6 years against P5 schools (Birmingham, Military, Armed Forces, Beef O'Brady).

C-USA has 6 bowl slots over 6 years against P5 schools. (Heart o' Dallas).

(12-05-2013 03:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 03:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 02:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

But can you say it with a straight face?

If you cancel out all the overlaps (primary ties), the comparison between C-USA and AAC boils down to:

AAC: Military Bowl x6, BBVA x6, Miami Beach x3, Beefy x3, Armed Forces x3

C-USA: Heart of Dallas x6, New Mexico x6, New Orleans x1, Boca x1

To me, the four remaining permanents are all washes, all four bowls that each will appear in 6 times without facing the others suck. We can quibble about how much they suck, but they all suck. Probably the best of the four is the Heart of Dallas (C-USA), the worst is the New Mexico (also C-USA)

The partials suck too, but we have 7 more committed slots. That's 7 bad bowl slots for us, an average of 1 more per year. So maybe each year, a 6th place, 6-6 AAC team gets to go to an awful bowl like the Armed Forces or Miami Beach while a similar C-USA team sits home.

That's an edge for us, but not one worth bragging alot about.

To me, that's GREAT news since Memphis might be that team.

Sadly, it very well could be USF too.

(12-05-2013 04:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

In the long term, AAC is slightly better but not enough to really matter.

Slightly better?

Yes, slightly better. See my breakdown above.

(12-05-2013 04:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 04:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

In the long term, AAC is slightly better but not enough to really matter.

Slightly better?

Yes, slightly better. See my breakdown above.

Sorry, but 18 gauranteed slots against "P5" compared to 6 gauranteed slots for CUSA is not slightly...it's 3X as many and significantly better. Do. the. math.

(12-05-2013 04:42 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 04:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 04:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

In the long term, AAC is slightly better but not enough to really matter.

Slightly better?

Yes, slightly better. See my breakdown above.

Sorry, but 18 gauranteed slots against "P5" compared to 6 gauranteed slots for CUSA is not slightly...it's 3X as many and significantly better. Do. the. math.

You are assuming those slotes are guaranteed, and right now the only bowl that the AAC has that I feel confident will have a P5 team in it every year is the Military. Every other pick is so low that it could easily end up being a replacement any given year. Any SEC pick below the bowl pool is at huge risk, who knows how many B12 teams will get eligible each year with 9 conference games, and I don't see the ACC being able to actually fill a backup slot with the Birmingham Bowl everytime the SEC doesn't fill it.

(12-05-2013 03:31 PM)Xbones Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 03:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 02:55 PM)Xbones Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 01:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The list of G5 teams that I'd actually be excited to see ECU play is pretty short. Boise, Fresno, maybe Air Force, USM, Marshall, App, Charlotte, and ODU. That's really it and the last 5 really are only interesting to me and probably some other ECU fans. For the most part the G5 teams I'm actually interested in ECU playing are in the AAC.

Better not expect a lot of ECU fans to be company with you in bowl games with those last four teams. We would be disappointed and would struggle to sell tickets to bowl games with those teams. Despite being an opener, attendance this year with ODU at home was marginal.

I don't expect a lot to agree with me but the truth is those games would be more interesting to ECU fans then random Sun-Belt/MAC teams. I'd be much more likely to attend a bowl game against one of them than Toledo or WKU or Arkansas State or whatever other random G5 team that has no tie to ECU in any way.

So... for example you had rather travel to say the Beef O'Brady Bowl to see ECU play ODU, a team that was beaten by UNC 80-20 with a shortened 4th quarter and with the Tarheels ending the game with a knee on 4th and goal rather than watch us play Toledo, a team that was ranked #23 late in the season last year? Seriously?

I'd rather not play either--yuck

I am sure Tulane had something to do with taking the New Orleans Bowl away from CUSA and the Sunbelt and bring it exclusively to the AAC. We expect a record attendance between 50,000 to 60,000 this year. The Sugar Bowl only drew slightly over 52,000 last year.

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

You show me where Cusa will play 2 to 4 P5 schools in bowls every year. Yes the bowls are bad, the P5 made sure of that. The AAC had no clout, nor history to build from.

(12-05-2013 12:55 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  My question is why even have the miami bowl? Why waste money and effort to create a bowl owned by the conference only to play garbage teams.... If it was just AAC vs. CUSA every year it would of been better.

Disagree, location matters. Get 6 years in the books, n see what you can hook.

(12-05-2013 04:42 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 04:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 04:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

In the long term, AAC is slightly better but not enough to really matter.

Slightly better?

Yes, slightly better. See my breakdown above.

Sorry, but 18 gauranteed slots against "P5" compared to 6 gauranteed slots for CUSA is not slightly...it's 3X as many and significantly better. Do. the. math.

Sorry, but facing a 6-6 P5 in the Miami Beach bowl is barely better than facing a 7-5 MWC or C-USA team in the New Mexico bowl. That is not what determines how good a bowl slate is.

(12-05-2013 06:26 PM)Savacool Wrote:  I am sure Tulane had something to do with taking the New Orleans Bowl away from CUSA and the Sunbelt and bring it exclusively to the AAC. We expect a record attendance between 50,000 to 60,000 this year. The Sugar Bowl only drew slightly over 52,000 last year.

We don't exclusively have the NO Bowl.....soooooooo.