I think a matchup with the MWC would make sense. Our champ going to the BBVA is not a good option. I'd rather play the number 1 or 2 team from the MWC than the number 9 or whatever from the SEC if my team had a good season. The AAC and MWC need to make the decision that promoting one another is in both league's best interests since the P5 sure isn't going to help elevate either. We should have a hoops challenge, scheduling alliance, and have our champ's meet in a bowl game annually.

(12-05-2013 01:13 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  WTF does this mean about the Miami Beach Bowl?

Quote:Institutions from other conferences also will have the opportunity to participate.

I thought the bowl had previously announced a rotation of opponents form CUSA, SBC, and MAC.

IIRC, some time ago, Aresco said that, as owners of the bowl, we reserved the right to invite a team from any other conference, in lieu of the regularly contracted opponent.

Translation: If we can get a P5 opponent looking for a home in any particular year, we'll kick out the G5 opponent. I doubt that ever happens, though.

(12-05-2013 01:13 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I think a matchup with the MWC would make sense. Our champ going to the BBVA is not a good option. I'd rather play the number 1 or 2 team from the MWC than the number 9 or whatever from the SEC if my team had a good season. The AAC and MWC need to make the decision that promoting one another is in both league's best interests since the P5 sure isn't going to help elevate either. We should have a hoops challenge, scheduling alliance, and have our champ's meet in a bowl game annually.

The problem with that always has been 2 fold. There's no place to put the game that would really make sense for both leagues and the honest truth is all of us would rather play a meddling P5 program than a really good MWC team outside of Boise and maybe Fresno. If my choice to watch ECU in a bowl game was a 10 win SJSU team or a 7 win Pitt team the truth is I'd be more excited for the game against Pitt. The list of G5 teams that I'd actually be excited to see ECU play is pretty short. Boise, Fresno, maybe Air Force, USM, Marshall, App, Charlotte, and ODU. That's really it and the last 5 really are only interesting to me and probably some other ECU fans. For the most part the G5 teams I'm actually interested in ECU playing are in the AAC.

(12-05-2013 01:13 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I think a matchup with the MWC would make sense. Our champ going to the BBVA is not a good option. I'd rather play the number 1 or 2 team from the MWC than the number 9 or whatever from the SEC if my team had a good season. The AAC and MWC need to make the decision that promoting one another is in both league's best interests since the P5 sure isn't going to help elevate either. We should have a hoops challenge, scheduling alliance, and have our champ's meet in a bowl game annually.

I can agree with this and it could build to a bowl like a Rose bowl lite with the western conference vs eastern conference. But perhaps we need to wait till the next bowl cycle comes up. You took a while to finalize the bowl situation that other conferences already locked up.
Well at least you can now move on.

As for the best G5 bowl lineup, I'll give the AAC the edge for now.

Looks like four bowls vs. P5 teams in 2016 and 2018. And maybe 2014 if Army doesn't qualify.

In the odd years, we get two bowls vs P5 teams plus a trip to Hawaii.

Seven bowls in 2016, 2018 and 2019. Six bowls the other years. My guesses at the pecking order:

2014 Season
#1-2 Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC #7-9
#1-2 BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC #9 (ACC #11 conditional if SEC cannot fill)
#3-4 Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. ACC #10
#3-4 Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Army (Big 12 as back up)
#5-6 Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
#5-6 Bahamas Bowl, Nassau, Bahamas – vs. MAC

2015 Season
#1-2 Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC #7-9
#1-2 BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC #9 (ACC #10/11 conditional if SEC cannot fill)
#3-4 Sheraton Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii – vs. Mountain West #3-5
#3-4 Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
#5-6 Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
#5-6 Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. MAC

2016 Season
#1-2 Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC #7-9
#1-2 BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC #9 (ACC #11 conditional if SEC cannot fill)
#3-4 Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Big 12 #7
#3-4 Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. ACC #10
#5-7 Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. MAC
#5-7 Bahamas Bowl, Nassau Bahamas – vs. MAC
#5-7 Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. Conference USA

2017 Season
#1-2 Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC #7-9
#1-2 BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC #9 (ACC #10/11 conditional if SEC cannot fill)
#3-4 Sheraton Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii – vs. Mountain West #3-5
#3-4 Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
#5-6 Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Sun Belt
#5-6 Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. Conference USA

2018 Season
#1-2 Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC #7-9
#1-2 BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC #9 (ACC #11 conditional if SEC cannot fill)
#3-4 Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Big 12 #7
#3-4 Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – ACC #10
#5-7 Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. MAC
#5-7 Bahamas Bowl, Nassau, Bahamas – vs. Conference USA
#5-7 R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, New Orleans, La. – vs. Sun Belt

2019 Season
#1-2 Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC #7-9
#1-2 BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC #9 (ACC #10/11 conditional if SEC cannot fill)
#3-4 Sheraton Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii – vs. Mountain West #3-5
#3-4 Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
#5-7 Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Sun Belt
#5-7 Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. MAC
#5-7 R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, New Orleans, La. – vs. Conference USA

Note: SEC #9 assumes only 1 SEC team to the major bowls. If 3 SEC teams are chosen for the major bowls, Birmingham will get SEC #11.

Another huge problem is too many pre-christmas bowls....Nobody travels much the week before Christmas. People have to work go to school etc....This part sucks!

(12-05-2013 01:28 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Another huge problem is too many pre-christmas bowls....Nobody travels much the week before Christmas. People have to work go to school etc....This part sucks!

Yeah pre-chirstmas bowls are horrible. I don't really understand the point of having the Miami Bowl pre-christmas.

I thought the Indy bowl backup went to CUSA? How will that work? Also the New Orleans bowl is news

(12-05-2013 12:28 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  'Introduce a little anarchy, upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos, I’m an agent of chaos , and you know the thing about chaos? It’s fair.'

- The Joker

Can't believe I just had to quote a character from a movie, but it feels like that's the only way to change the way this crap is ending up for college football athletics

I support Harvey Dent.

(12-05-2013 01:28 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Another huge problem is too many pre-christmas bowls....Nobody travels much the week before Christmas. People have to work go to school etc....This part sucks!

Has the schedule been set?

The six major bowls will be played on Dec 31 and Jan 1. The champ game will be played on Jan 7-13.

It seems to me there will be quite a few bowls played between Jan 2 and Jan 6-12. Who is to say that some of those won't be our bowls?

I was curious about traveling to the Bahamas Bowl, from a legal/customs standpoint.

According to the U.S. Embassy in Nassau:

Quote:U.S. citizens do not need visas for short trips [via air travel] to The Bahamas for tourist/business purposes, however, Bahamian regulations require that air passengers entering for tourism have a round trip ticket.

http://nassau.usembassy.gov/entry_exit_bahamas.html

(12-05-2013 02:16 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  I was curious about traveling to the Bahamas Bowl, from a legal/customs standpoint.

According to the U.S. Embassy in Nassau:

Quote:U.S. citizens do not need visas for short trips [via air travel] to The Bahamas for tourist/business purposes, however, Bahamian regulations require that air passengers entering for tourism have a round trip ticket.

http://nassau.usembassy.gov/entry_exit_bahamas.html

You may not need a visa, but you do need a passport:

Quote:Air Travel:

All U.S. citizens are required to present a valid U.S. passport in order to enter The Bahamas, as well as to enter or re-enter the United States when traveling by air.

There's a large percentage of the population that does not have one, and it takes time to get one (and is expensive to expedite).

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

But can you say it with a straight face?

6-7 bowls per season...pretty much all this bowl announcement means to me is if Memphis gets to 6-6 we should get a bowl game...so cool.

(12-05-2013 02:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Dare I say CUSA has a better lineup?

But can you say it with a straight face?

6-7 bowls per season...pretty much all this announcement means to me is if Memphis gets to 6-6 we should get a bowl game...so cool.

That was never really a concern though. There are already so many bowls and with more being created almost no one is getting left out. The only concern I had is where will the champion go if they don't get the access bowl? That still isn't answered because Aresco failed to get a single bowl that a ranked team would feel good about playing in. I hope at some point he goes into more detail about what his plan is for the champ when they don't get the access bowl.

(12-05-2013 12:59 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:55 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  My question is why even have the miami bowl? Why waste money and effort to create a bowl owned by the conference only to play garbage teams....

I guess the hope is that 6 years from now a better opponent can be obtained. Might as well get it created now and established.

Too many of you are thinking of C-USA as the C-USA you played in and not the new reality. Much like some have said the AAC is CUSA plus USF, UConn, and Cincy for lack of a better term, C-USA is the Sunbelt plus Southern Miss and UAB. The MAC is now a much better league at the top than C-USA. The MAC has had 4 different teams ranked in the last two years. Maybe even five (I'd have to check). That is actually more than the AAC/BE during that time. The teams that make up C-USA have had exactly one ranked team. One. That's it.

The bowl line-up will be rather solid in years that the American gets the CFP bowl slot in the Cotton, Peach, or Fiesta. The Military Bowl is a steal in my view because the ACC has 15 teams and a whole of bunch of them this conference would love to play against so 7 through 9 is still going to be a solid pick. St. Pete in years it has an ACC team should be ok too. I think this league gets the Liberty Bowl a few years too in a back up situation too.

The bowl line-up isn't great but there are going to be years when the American's top 3 to 4 teams have a solid place to play.

(12-05-2013 02:32 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:59 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 12:55 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  My question is why even have the miami bowl? Why waste money and effort to create a bowl owned by the conference only to play garbage teams....

I guess the hope is that 6 years from now a better opponent can be obtained. Might as well get it created now and established.

Too many of you are thinking of C-USA as the C-USA you played in and not the new reality. Much like some have said the AAC is CUSA plus USF, UConn, and Cincy for lack of a better term, C-USA is the Sunbelt plus Southern Miss and UAB. The MAC is now a much better league at the top than C-USA. The MAC has had 4 different teams ranked in the last two years. Maybe even five (I'd have to check). That is actually more than the AAC/BE during that time. The teams that make up C-USA have had exactly one ranked team. One. That's it.

Why are you quoting me as thinking C-USA is like old C-USA? My post didn't even mention anything about C-USA. As as ECU fan who's watched our team play in mostly what C-USA is going to look like in the future I know exactly what that league is now. However, I don't care about the MAC either. I agree competitively they are a much better league than C-USA right now but there's not a team in that league I'd be excited to play under any circumstances and really all those schools are what they are at this point. At least I could argue the schools C-USA has taken might stink now but have some long term potential to not stink. The MAC schools for the most part have been FBS schools forever and don't really have any growth potential. No one in the MAC is going to all of a sudden start drawing crowds in the 30-40k range per game, while I could make a legit case that schools like ODU and UTSA have a real chance to do that in the future.

(12-05-2013 01:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The list of G5 teams that I'd actually be excited to see ECU play is pretty short. Boise, Fresno, maybe Air Force, USM, Marshall, App, Charlotte, and ODU. That's really it and the last 5 really are only interesting to me and probably some other ECU fans. For the most part the G5 teams I'm actually interested in ECU playing are in the AAC.

Better not expect a lot of ECU fans to be company with you in bowl games with those last four teams. We would be disappointed and would struggle to sell tickets to bowl games with those teams. Despite being an opener, attendance this year with ODU at home was marginal.

(12-05-2013 02:02 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 01:28 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Another huge problem is too many pre-christmas bowls....Nobody travels much the week before Christmas. People have to work go to school etc....This part sucks!

Has the schedule been set?

The six major bowls will be played on Dec 31 and Jan 1. The champ game will be played on Jan 7-13.

It seems to me there will be quite a few bowls played between Jan 2 and Jan 6-12. Who is to say that some of those won't be our bowls?

Interesting point. Will the bowls be 12pm, 4:00 pm, 9:00pm on these two days? If all three are ABC, then how will ESPN Networks and CBS work with this. Traditionally, CBS broadcasts the Sun Bowl on New Year's Eve day. It will be curious to see how this works.

These are the bowls for Dec 31 & Jan 1 traditionally.
Independence
Liberty
Gator
Capitol One
Outback

Does ESPN put bowl games on ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU to compete with the non-championship games? Does it change where it starts the 28th with Prime Time games on ESPN for these teams with traditional NY day bowls? Even though teams are locked in, do the other networks/cable go after these bowl games that ESPN does not own? Really interesting how this will play out. Traditionally the BCS Bowls don't have competition, that appears it would have to change. Anyone have any ideas?

(12-05-2013 02:55 PM)Xbones Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 01:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The list of G5 teams that I'd actually be excited to see ECU play is pretty short. Boise, Fresno, maybe Air Force, USM, Marshall, App, Charlotte, and ODU. That's really it and the last 5 really are only interesting to me and probably some other ECU fans. For the most part the G5 teams I'm actually interested in ECU playing are in the AAC.

Better not expect a lot of ECU fans to be company with you in bowl games with those last four teams. We would be disappointed and would struggle to sell tickets to bowl games with those teams. Despite being an opener, attendance this year with ODU at home was marginal.

I don't expect a lot to agree with me but the truth is those games would be more interesting to ECU fans then random Sun-Belt/MAC teams. I'd be much more likely to attend a bowl game against one of them than Toledo or WKU or Arkansas State or whatever other random G5 team that has no tie to ECU in any way.