(11-13-2013 04:09 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:06 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  And correct Louisville will also leave the league over 18 million dollars in basketball units over the next 6 years

How much did Cuse, Pitt, WVU, and ND leave behind?

How much would Rutgers be leaving behind?

In basketball units? Rutgers leaves ZERO, West Virginia about 8 million, Cuse close to 18 million, Pitt about 7 million and Notre Dame 6 million.

(11-13-2013 02:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 02:40 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  wonder how much each team gets and if newbies like ECU, Tulsa, Tulane get any?

Since Louisville announced the split PRIOR to the entry of Memphis, Houston, SMU, and UCF---Im going to guess that it gets distributed in the same 60-40 split as the rest of the realignment fund.

60% USF, UConn, Cincy

40% everyone else, with a slight advantage to schools here longer.

Yep.

Plus the BCS payout this season...

Between exit fees and NCAA basketball units. UConn,UC and USF should make around 7 million a year while the newcomers would make around 2 million.

Add the tv contract and bowl money and the breakdown should be

UConn,UC and USF around 11 million a year the newcomers around 6 million a year

(11-13-2013 03:20 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:07 PM)TopperCard Wrote:  @McMurphyESPN: In 2011 UL AD Tom Jurich, even w/out invite to another league, gave Big East notice UL would leave league

Wow... That took some balls! I didn't know about this.

Me neither. No offense to the AAC, but I wonder if we should do the same thing. Honestly, at this point I think we could make more money being independent. Maybe we could work out a scheduling agreement with the MAC and nBE or something.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

Doubt UConn could make 11 million a year on its own or they would had split

(11-13-2013 04:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:20 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:07 PM)TopperCard Wrote:  @McMurphyESPN: In 2011 UL AD Tom Jurich, even w/out invite to another league, gave Big East notice UL would leave league

Wow... That took some balls! I didn't know about this.

Me neither. No offense to the AAC, but I wonder if we should do the same thing. Honestly, at this point I think we could make more money being independent. Maybe we could work out a scheduling agreement with the MAC and nBE or something.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

Jurich is awesome. I mean, if UofL didn't get a spot in another conference and Tom told the 'Murcain leadership they were staying, even after giving notice, what would they do? Kick the Cards out??

Hardly...

(11-13-2013 03:55 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I feel that the league should have to pay us what we were making from SNY too though. We had our own media deal and they just canceled it? It just doesn't seem right. USF and Cinci did not have similar deals and they are getting the same amount as UConn.

Technically they did not cancel it. They just exercised options they previously retained in the last contract after seeing UConn monetize them.

(11-13-2013 04:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:55 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I feel that the league should have to pay us what we were making from SNY too though. We had our own media deal and they just canceled it? It just doesn't seem right. USF and Cinci did not have similar deals and they are getting the same amount as UConn.

Technically they did not cancel it. They just exercised options they previously retained in the last contract after seeing UConn monetize them.

It's a raw deal. Plain and simple. Whatever though. At the end of the day, all that matters is seeing my team play and hopefully winning championships. Nobody in the AAC is happy. I respect the leadership at UofL though and also the municipal and state support that has been given. I can only wish we had an arena downtown like the Yum and had handled things with determination when realignment destroyed the Big East.

(11-13-2013 04:37 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 04:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:55 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I feel that the league should have to pay us what we were making from SNY too though. We had our own media deal and they just canceled it? It just doesn't seem right. USF and Cinci did not have similar deals and they are getting the same amount as UConn.

Technically they did not cancel it. They just exercised options they previously retained in the last contract after seeing UConn monetize them.

It's a raw deal. Plain and simple. Whatever though. At the end of the day, all that matters is seeing my team play and hopefully winning championships. Nobody in the AAC is happy. I respect the leadership at UofL though and also the municipal and state support that has been given. I can only wish we had an arena downtown like the Yum and had handled things with determination when realignment destroyed the Big East.

Hartford, breathe and trust me when I say everything will be okay. Until I came to this forum I was a sports fan who only watches games. I the got into the behind the scenes politics and now finally recruiting.

The general public, or most sports fans, see UConn as a basketball powerhouse. Especially us younger sports fans. Hell, I always thought yall were the best and biggest brand in the old big east. Recruits, fans, etc will still see UCon this way for years. As long as yall win games and make the tourney you'll be fine. Hopefully Memphis, Cincy and Temple continue success and SMU lives up to the new hype. Maybe other teams will step up as well...who knows, Ecu's recruiting like never before.

Just take in some of these points, and have faith. I know the reverse argument... you dont have to say it. We won't be Cuse, UL et. al. But maybe some new AAC teams can steal the show from the C7 and pick up good recruits and TV games. Just thinking out loud here.

(11-13-2013 04:37 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 04:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:55 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I feel that the league should have to pay us what we were making from SNY too though. We had our own media deal and they just canceled it? It just doesn't seem right. USF and Cinci did not have similar deals and they are getting the same amount as UConn.

Technically they did not cancel it. They just exercised options they previously retained in the last contract after seeing UConn monetize them.

It's a raw deal. Plain and simple. Whatever though. At the end of the day, all that matters is seeing my team play and hopefully winning championships. Nobody in the AAC is happy. I respect the leadership at UofL though and also the municipal and state support that has been given. I can only wish we had an arena downtown like the Yum and had handled things with determination when realignment destroyed the Big East.

Nobody?

Memphis gets to play football teams like Cincy, UCF, ECU, Houston, Navy, etc instead of playing teams like FAU, FIU, UAB, ODU, UNT, etc...

The AAC has a basketball line up of UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Tulsa, even SMU with Larry Bown...that's much better than trying to get excited over UTEP, USM, and UAB.

We get more money, and better exposure with ESPN

We get some of the "war chest" money

And oh yeah, we left CUSA for FREE!

I'm pretty happy.

Not really. In the last deal, ESPN had the rights to ALL women's game and could show them as they wanted. They simply chose not to do anything with the games they didn't televise and UConn made money off of it, just like other teams did with their tier 3 inventory. This time, they just decided to resell the rights themselves. I mean you can call it a "raw deal" but that was what they paid for.

The good news from that though should be that you will have an online component to the games for your out of town viewers, s the games should also be carried on ESPN3. That may not be a big deal, but it does allow the parents and friends of players to see every game in a way they may not have before.

(11-13-2013 04:33 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 04:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:20 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:07 PM)TopperCard Wrote:  @McMurphyESPN: In 2011 UL AD Tom Jurich, even w/out invite to another league, gave Big East notice UL would leave league

Wow... That took some balls! I didn't know about this.

Me neither. No offense to the AAC, but I wonder if we should do the same thing. Honestly, at this point I think we could make more money being independent. Maybe we could work out a scheduling agreement with the MAC and nBE or something.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

Jurich is awesome. I mean, if UofL didn't get a spot in another conference and Tom told the 'Murcain leadership they were staying, even after giving notice, what would they do? Kick the Cards out??

Hardly...

Read that again...Louisville wasn't mentioned...I was speaking to a UConn fan.

(11-13-2013 04:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 04:33 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 04:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:20 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:07 PM)TopperCard Wrote:  @McMurphyESPN: In 2011 UL AD Tom Jurich, even w/out invite to another league, gave Big East notice UL would leave league

Wow... That took some balls! I didn't know about this.

Me neither. No offense to the AAC, but I wonder if we should do the same thing. Honestly, at this point I think we could make more money being independent. Maybe we could work out a scheduling agreement with the MAC and nBE or something.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

Jurich is awesome. I mean, if UofL didn't get a spot in another conference and Tom told the 'Murcain leadership they were staying, even after giving notice, what would they do? Kick the Cards out??

Hardly...

Read that again...Louisville wasn't mentioned...I was speaking to a UConn fan.

I should've cut your response out, I overlooked it, I was really responding to the 2 previous posts (part. the 1st about the stones it took) but didn't want to search 7 pages to find the first post in this specific post cluster... my bad-

The agreement also states that we will schedule teams from the American in girls/guys basketball and in football as best as we can.

July 1 of 2014 won't be the last time you see us. We will still schedule teams from the American!

Lol they got to schedule AAC teams?

I take it they will be on the phones with Tulane, Tulsa, and Temple for their upcoming opening game schedule for the future

http://www.scribd.com/embeds/183949301/c...tions=true

Here is the full agreement and some additional details:

-Louisville provided the formal notice of withdrawal on Decmeber 7, 2012
-Louisville agrees it is not entitled to any NCAA tournament credits other than its portion of the revenue distribution for this season (not any future seasons)
-Louisville agrees it is not entitled to any exit fees from Syracuse, WVU, Pitt, C7, ND, or Rutgers
-Louisville agrees it is not entitled to any of the termination fees from TCU, Boise, or SDSU
-Louisville agrees it is not entitled to any of the entry fees being paid by any of the schools that have joined or will join the AAC
-Louisville will try to schedule "in good faith" AAC schools in basketball and football through 2017
-The American will pay Louisville the revenue for the 2013-2014 season

(11-13-2013 05:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  The agreement also states that we will schedule teams from the American in girls/guys basketball and in football as best as we can.

July 1 of 2014 won't be the last time you see us. We will still schedule teams from the American!

It only says that UL will try to schedule "in good faith" through 2017 for football and mens/womens hoops. There is no commitment to any number of games in any sport, yet there is a closing date. My guess is "good faith" turns into "we don't have room on our schedule" fairly soon. And yes, I'm being cynical.

(11-13-2013 05:38 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 05:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  The agreement also states that we will schedule teams from the American in girls/guys basketball and in football as best as we can.

July 1 of 2014 won't be the last time you see us. We will still schedule teams from the American!

It only says that UL will try to schedule "in good faith" through 2017 for football and mens/womens hoops. There is no commitment to any number of games in any sport, yet there is a closing date. My guess is "good faith" turns into "we don't have room on our schedule" fairly soon. And yes, I'm being cynical.

No reason to be cynical....Tom Jurich looked Aresco in the eye and shook his hand. That is gold! Memphis is scheduled in basketball, Houston is scheduled in football, and I'm sure we will schedule more teams that are going to remain in the AAC!

(11-13-2013 05:38 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 05:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  The agreement also states that we will schedule teams from the American in girls/guys basketball and in football as best as we can.

July 1 of 2014 won't be the last time you see us. We will still schedule teams from the American!

It only says that UL will try to schedule "in good faith" through 2017 for football and mens/womens hoops. There is no commitment to any number of games in any sport, yet there is a closing date. My guess is "good faith" turns into "we don't have room on our schedule" fairly soon. And yes, I'm being cynical.

Playing Houston in football in 2015 and 2016
Memphis is basketball in 2015 and 2016

I mean, if that's not good faith...

(11-13-2013 03:50 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:42 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:28 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:24 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:20 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  Me neither. No offense to the AAC, but I wonder if we should do the same thing. Honestly, at this point I think we could make more money being independent. Maybe we could work out a scheduling agreement with the MAC and nBE or something.

You forget that part of the exit fees and basketball units are going to UC,UConn and USF to offset our loses so in reality for the next six years those three will be making more than the others and comparable to what they were making before. So no it may not make sense for UConn to go play in MAC and NBE

Maybe not now, while the exit fee money is still there. However, if after that the TV value for the league is not significantly higher, I think UConn would have to look at all options if an invite to P5 hasn't come. I have nothing against these schools, I just hate for UConn to be getting such a bad deal financially. I don't know how much the other schools should be making or could make as indys, I do know that UConn makes 8m per year from IMG for 3rd tier media rights and were making 1.4m a year for women's hoops, which I now believe the AAC took from us and we are getting peanuts for in return.

It's my understanding that ESPN basically took the women's T3 rights away from UConn through the contract with the AAC, despite Aresco acknowledging UConn had an assett no other program had leading many of us to believe we would be retaining those rights.

This contract is awful for everyone, but the news last week that ESPN snatched the rights and now SNY pays ESPN for the women's games is almost criminal.

Our friendly neighbor strikes again, this time I blame the UConn administration for entering into this agreement. Did anyone ask themself how an entire athletic department, which features a Women's Basketball program making $1.4M through T3 rights alone can now only be worth $2-4M or whatever the payout is now for T1-3 rights for football MBB and WBB?

It honestly does border on criminal. The very least UConn should have done is refuse to have women's hoops included under the media rights deal. But now with this knowledge, how much would this league be worth without UConn Women's Hoops? It's crazy to think that is factored into this piss poor TV deal.

What leverage did the did the league as a whole or as individual teams have to get ESPN us a better deal?

BTW, do you really think women's basketball even with a program as great UCONN's would really make that much of a difference in the final numbers. Again, the last TV deal was about football and it's obvious that basketball was basically a non-factor. Otherwise, if basketball was so important we would have received a better contract b/c for a few years the Big East had easily eclipsed the ACC as the best conference in the country.