(08-12-2013 07:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:36 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 03:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Why does anyone want to go to the bowl game in Birmingham? Complete dump of a stadium.

Doesn't it pay like a million dollars? That's reason enough for me.

not like the teams get the whole million after getting split between the conference teams

No. But if all your bowl qualified schools were getting million dollar paydays its certainly not bad for the conference.

IIRC, the current BBVA split is $900k to the SEC, $600k to the Big East (AAC).

most likely the BBVA will cut some of that money if they aren't getting a P5 school

(08-12-2013 07:50 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:40 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:30 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Yeah but CUSA Champ has the HOD Bowl vs B12/Big Ten.

We will have the same thing in the Armed Forces

I thought your champ would be floating?

Probably. Im sure we are looking to get something better. Maybe sliding into an open P-5 slot as an "at large", doing the same thing as secondary tie, or maybe putting together a MW#1 vs AAC#1 game somewhere. The picture looks a little grim, but its not game over just yet.

probably can rule out the MWC #1 vs. AAC #1 since the MW likes their champ playing a P5 team

They only have one game against the "p5"

(08-12-2013 06:48 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:54 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, for the Liberty, we will still be the backup. I'm guessing there will be frequent times when the SEC can't fill it. That would certainly be one of our best opportunities to place our champ, if we don't find a suitable permanent home.

Not if the Liberty is part of the SEC 2-7 rotation, as has been reported.

Agree liberty back up is useless.

Sort of. With 2-3 teams in the playoffs, SEC figures to have years where they can't fill all of their mid-tier bowl spots.

The SEC is on a unique, historic run that will not last forever. The SEC will be lucky to average 2 teams in the playoffs PLUS access bowls during this time.

They will fill the Liberty almost every year.

(08-12-2013 07:55 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:36 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Doesn't it pay like a million dollars? That's reason enough for me.

not like the teams get the whole million after getting split between the conference teams

No. But if all your bowl qualified schools were getting million dollar paydays its certainly not bad for the conference.

IIRC, the current BBVA split is $900k to the SEC, $600k to the Big East (AAC).

most likely the BBVA will cut some of that money if they aren't getting a P5 school

Dude you need to chill. This is the AAC board.

(08-12-2013 07:55 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:36 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Doesn't it pay like a million dollars? That's reason enough for me.

not like the teams get the whole million after getting split between the conference teams

No. But if all your bowl qualified schools were getting million dollar paydays its certainly not bad for the conference.

IIRC, the current BBVA split is $900k to the SEC, $600k to the Big East (AAC).

most likely the BBVA will cut some of that money if they aren't getting a P5 school

They really cant afford to cut it or they could end up with a worse tie than the AAC.

(08-12-2013 07:45 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:40 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:30 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:53 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  If they send #10, we send #7.......... just kidding. At least we're not CUSA/SB/MAC

Yeah but CUSA Champ has the HOD Bowl vs B12/Big Ten.

We will have the same thing in the Armed Forces

I thought your champ would be floating?

they don't know where their champ is going

LEmons out of lemonade. If the Armed Forces Bowl has a Big Ten team that year, maybe the champ goes to Fort Worth. OR maybe they go play an ACC team in Annapolis, or an SEC team in Birmingham. Or maybe the champ can get a spot in a better bowl as a backup.

Meanwhile, half the time, the CUSA champ is going to have to play a backup when the Big Ten or Big XII don't have enough teams.

(08-12-2013 07:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 06:48 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:54 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, for the Liberty, we will still be the backup. I'm guessing there will be frequent times when the SEC can't fill it. That would certainly be one of our best opportunities to place our champ, if we don't find a suitable permanent home.

Not if the Liberty is part of the SEC 2-7 rotation, as has been reported.

Agree liberty back up is useless.

Sort of. With 2-3 teams in the playoffs, SEC figures to have years where they can't fill all of their mid-tier bowl spots.

The SEC is on a unique, historic run that will not last forever. The SEC will be lucky to average 2 teams in the playoffs PLUS access bowls during this time.

They will fill the Liberty almost every year.

Not luck at all. Numbers. There are 6 CFP bowls, with one spot going to a G5 champion. So each of the P5 conferences should average 2 teams in the playoffs. ACC should have 2 every year, PAC should have 2 every year, etc. Obviously everyone won't have 2+ every year, every conference has down years. And maybe the stars line up some year and you have 2 G5 teams in the playoffs. But the SEC figures to have 3 teams in CFP bowls more often than they have only one.

Nothing is guaranteed, but based on the last 6 or 8 years, the SEC won't be filling the Liberty (or won't be filling some other bowl in the mid-tier pool) about half the time.

(08-12-2013 07:56 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:55 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:36 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  not like the teams get the whole million after getting split between the conference teams

No. But if all your bowl qualified schools were getting million dollar paydays its certainly not bad for the conference.

IIRC, the current BBVA split is $900k to the SEC, $600k to the Big East (AAC).

most likely the BBVA will cut some of that money if they aren't getting a P5 school

Dude you need to chill. This is the AAC board.

I didn't say anything bad about the AAC

I will say that the SEC will have three on most years and more likely to have our than two on off years. The BigTen and SEC are the two leagues that bowls love because of fan support. If any of their schools have a record to get them into consideration they will be chosen. The Big12,PAC and ACC don't have as many bowl sexy teams on most years he'll get two in. The ACC will get 1-2 depending on who he teams are.
So most years I see
SEC 3-4
BigTen 2-3
PAC 2
Big12 -2
ACC 1-2
G5-1

(08-12-2013 08:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 06:48 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:54 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not if the Liberty is part of the SEC 2-7 rotation, as has been reported.

Agree liberty back up is useless.

Sort of. With 2-3 teams in the playoffs, SEC figures to have years where they can't fill all of their mid-tier bowl spots.

The SEC is on a unique, historic run that will not last forever. The SEC will be lucky to average 2 teams in the playoffs PLUS access bowls during this time.

They will fill the Liberty almost every year.

Not luck at all. Numbers. There are 6 CFP bowls, with one spot going to a G5 champion. So each of the P5 conferences should average 2 teams in the playoffs. ACC should have 2 every year, PAC should have 2 every year, etc. Obviously everyone won't have 2+ every year, every conference has down years. And maybe the stars line up some year and you have 2 G5 teams in the playoffs. But the SEC figures to have 3 teams in CFP bowls more often than they have only one.

Nothing is guaranteed, but based on the last 6 or 8 years, the SEC won't be filling the Liberty (or won't be filling some other bowl in the mid-tier pool) about half the time.

Had last year been 2014, the SEC could have had FIVE teams among the 12 playoffs-BCS bowls leaving only FOUR teams to fill those nine slots.

(08-12-2013 08:26 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 08:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 07:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 06:48 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 05:54 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Agree liberty back up is useless.

Sort of. With 2-3 teams in the playoffs, SEC figures to have years where they can't fill all of their mid-tier bowl spots.

The SEC is on a unique, historic run that will not last forever. The SEC will be lucky to average 2 teams in the playoffs PLUS access bowls during this time.

They will fill the Liberty almost every year.

Not luck at all. Numbers. There are 6 CFP bowls, with one spot going to a G5 champion. So each of the P5 conferences should average 2 teams in the playoffs. ACC should have 2 every year, PAC should have 2 every year, etc. Obviously everyone won't have 2+ every year, every conference has down years. And maybe the stars line up some year and you have 2 G5 teams in the playoffs. But the SEC figures to have 3 teams in CFP bowls more often than they have only one.

Nothing is guaranteed, but based on the last 6 or 8 years, the SEC won't be filling the Liberty (or won't be filling some other bowl in the mid-tier pool) about half the time.

Had last year been 2014, the SEC could have had FIVE teams among the 12 playoffs-BCS bowls leaving only FOUR teams to fill those nine slots.

Exactly my point. I think we might be better off with 4/5 primary ties and just floating the #1 and #2 picks. They would end up in better games than we can get right now virtually every year.

i know you dont like it i dont like it but we have to take any bowl we can get we have no teams that the bowls want.
if we say hey we have uconn we have smu we have memphis the bowls say who cares it is not like we have even one name team if we had a ohio state or ND it would be different but we dont.
we have no big names that is just the facts.

(08-12-2013 09:13 PM)frank man Wrote:  i know you dont like it i dont like it but we have to take any bowl we can get we have no teams that the bowls want.
if we say hey we have uconn we have smu we have memphis the bowls say who cares it is not like we have even one name team if we had a ohio state or ND it would be different but we dont.
we have no big names that is just the facts.

Weinie Boy, there's nobody left to pick. We are next up. Relax--we will have bowls. The only question is which ones.

(08-12-2013 09:13 PM)frank man Wrote:  i know you dont like it i dont like it but we have to take any bowl we can get we have no teams that the bowls want.
if we say hey we have uconn we have smu we have memphis the bowls say who cares it is not like we have even one name team if we had a ohio state or ND it would be different but we dont.
we have no big names that is just the facts.

Ohio State is taken. ND is taken. Florida is taken.

AAC is competing with Miami-Ohio, with Troy, with FIU, with Arkansas State. And the AAC champ is still on the board. (I suppose the MAC and Sun Belt champs are still on the board too...)

Too bad about Liberty, but I really did not want the IB... Most accounts claim Shreveport's a hole.

(08-12-2013 10:11 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I really did not want the IB... Most accounts claim Shreveport's a hole.

That was definitely my experience, and of several other people Ive heard from through the years.

(08-12-2013 10:23 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 10:11 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I really did not want the IB... Most accounts claim Shreveport's a hole.

That was definitely my experience, and of several other people Ive heard from through the years.

No idea if it is a hole or not but it did have what appeared to be the highest payout on the board which at this point would have been enticing. I still don't see the SEC every filling this bowl. It will be the #11 bowl in at least 3 of the years due to the orange bowl partial tie in and probably all the years, since I can't imagine the SEC not getting at least 1 additional team into the CFB. They had 9 bowl eligible teams last season with 14 teams in the conference. Not enough data to statistically determine what they will have but I think 10 works out to be the norm unless they move to a 9 game schedule at which point who knows. I would assume the Advocare Independence will likely be looking for a strong backup knowing this. I can't see the SEC filling this more than once over the 6 year deal. Another reason this bowl has fallen off the map. By signing these lower picks which have really no chance of being filled they end up like last season with the MAC vs the Sun Belt.

The Memphis Commercial Appeal is reporting that the Liberty doubled its payout in order to obtain its inclusion in the SEC's mid-tier bowl pool. Sounds like the Liberty Bowl wasn't fooling around this cycle and wanted to move up a step in the bowl landscape. I don't think we ever stood a chance.

(08-12-2013 12:00 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  2 bad the "old" AAC mbrs weren't so greedy w/ the exit fees
Aresco could've held back
say 10 million from all the exit fees to fund a decent bowl payout
$$$ talks,
a higher bowl payout would have brought
a better BcS school ranking N2 the AAC bowl mix

2 bad the "new" AAC mbrs weren't so unattractive w/bowl sponsors to help Aresco better maket the conference to bring in better bowl games

(08-12-2013 02:08 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, for the Liberty, we will still be the backup. I'm guessing there will be frequent times when the SEC can't fill it.

I'm not as hopefull as you are. I thinik the SEC will fill the spot just about every year.

I'm not hopeful now. Initially, based on previous media reports, I thought the LB would have a very low pick, behind all SEC bowls except B'Ham and Shreveport. That would give us a decent shot as a backup.

But now, it's the 6 major bowls, the Cap One, and then the pool of 6, b/c the Liberty apparently agreed to double its payout to get into that pool, originally reported as 5 bowls, not 6. So, depending on how many SEC teams make the major bowls (2 in really lean years, 3 most years, and often 4), the pool will have anywhere from the 4-9 slots, to 6-11.

I don't see how the SEC will ever have less than 9 or 10 teams eligible, out of 14, given their typically weak OOC schedules. So, the LB would have to be dead last in the pool, the SEC would have to have only 2 teams make the major bowls, and the SEC would have to have only 8 teams eligible, or 3 teams in and 9 teams eligible, or 4 teams in the majors, and only 10 teams eligible, for us to get a slot.

Not happening.