(08-12-2013 12:00 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  2 bad the "old" AAC mbrs weren't so greedy w/ the exit fees

I don't really blame them. I think anyone else would've acted the same way in that situation.

At this point, I'd approach the Mtn. for a champ-vs-champ bowl (allowing for 2nd-place team if 1st place in playoffs or access bowl). Each conference hosts at a site of their choosing in alternate years.

I bet the Indy and Birmingham bowls rotate the last pick. That's what happened under the old SEC formula with the Birmingham and Liberty.

(08-12-2013 11:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  FYI- The way the McMurphy article is written, it appears Birmingham is the SEC #10 bowl (in years where a SEC team goes to the Orange bowl the BBVA would be #11). Its possible we will very rarely ever see an SEC team in Birmingham.

Especially when you consider that it is likely the SEC will have 2 teams in the playoffs many years. Just going by BCS standings, the SEC would have had 2 teams in the 4 team playoff in 3 of the past 5 seasons.

Well for us young Undergraduates, I guess to actually enjoy college football we gotta go to a P5 Grad school..

I'm still going to any UCF bowl game...wish the Nola and Miami Bowl could have a better seeding than the ones in the middle of nowhere.

Still hoping for the best! GO AAC!

While I'm also not happy about this, I honestly believe there will be a great spot for our champ via some unfilled P5 spot. Que sera sera.

Indy will not be the last bowled filled, it will be the Birmingham. Why do you think the ACC is the primary backup for either team? You can bet the P5 will ensure a P5 vs P5 matchup whenever possible. The first bowls to dropped will be the G5 matchups. ACC will do the same with Military, BOBB and Birmingham. I believe the ACC filling up the Birmingham Bowl more than the SEC. I do know this was the ACC model in the past. Granite these payouts will be diffferent in 2014 but it may provide a priority status in the future. Really shocked by the Dallas Bowl Payout. Miami bowl really needs to offer at least a 1.5 mil payout and go for the Big 10 (8-10) team.

2013 Payouts http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl_...edule.html
SEC Lower Tier Bowl (8-9)
9. Advocare - 1.15 Mil
10. Birmingham 1 Mil for SEC 900K for AAC

ACC Lower Tier Bowls (7-9)
7. Indy 1.15 Mi
8. Military 1 Mi
9. Detroit ?? sneaking suspicion it will become in higher than the Military.

These bowls are locked in at this pick.
10. BOBB - 537K
11. Birmingham 1Mil


Big 12
6. Texas 1.7
7. Dallas 1.1 Mil vs CUSA (kinda surprising)/ Armed Forces 600K vs AAC

Big 10 Lower Tier (8-9)
8. Dallas 1.1 Mil vs CUSA / Armed Forces 600K vs AAC
9. Detoit Bowl?? SEE ACC Comment
Since SEC has 10, could this be a landing spot for Miami bowl?? Have it part of 8-10 pick of B10? Makes more sense than Pac 8th team.

PAC 12 (Appears to have order locked)
6. Kraft Hunger bowl 837K vs Big 10
7. Las Vegas Bowl 1.1 against MWC
8. Miami or LA ?????

(08-12-2013 12:46 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Indy will not be the last bowled filled, it will be the Birmingham. Why do you think the ACC is the primary backup for either team? You can bet the P5 will ensure a P5 vs P5 matchup whenever possible. The first bowls to dropped will be the G5 matchups. ACC will do the same with Military, BOBB and Birmingham. I believe the ACC filling up the Birmingham Bowl more than the SEC. I do know this was the ACC model in the past. Granite these payouts will be diffferent in 2014 but it may provide a priority status in the future. Really shocked by the Dallas Bowl Payout. Miami bowl really needs to offer at least a 1.5 mil payout and go for the Big 10 (8-10) team.

2013 Payouts http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl_...edule.html
SEC Lower Tier Bowl (8-9)
9. Advocare - 1.15 Mil
10. Birmingham 1 Mil for SEC 900K for AAC

ACC Lower Tier Bowls (7-9)
7. Indy 1.15 Mi
8. Military 1 Mi
9. Detroit ?? sneaking suspicion it will become in higher than the Military.

These bowls are locked in at this pick.
10. BOBB - 537K
11. Birmingham 1Mil


Big 12
6. Texas 1.7
7. Dallas 1.1 Mil vs CUSA (kinda surprising)/ Armed Forces 600K vs AAC

Big 10 Lower Tier (8-9)
8. Dallas 1.1 Mil vs CUSA / Armed Forces 600K vs AAC
9. Detoit Bowl?? SEE ACC Comment
Since SEC has 10, could this be a landing spot for Miami bowl?? Have it part of 8-10 pick of B10? Makes more sense than Pac 8th team.

PAC 12 (Appears to have order locked)
6. Kraft Hunger bowl 837K vs Big 10
7. Las Vegas Bowl 1.1 against MWC
8. Miami or LA ?????

Actually according to their release the Birmingham Bowl is going to be ahead of the Indy.

"The SEC has also renewed its relationship with both the Birmingham Bowl (vs. TBA) and the Advocare V100 Bowl in Shreveport (vs. ACC). The Birmingham Bowl will have the first selection of available teams following the pool of six bowls. The Advocare V100 Bowl will have the next selection of available teams following the Birmingham Bowl"

Still not a good pick but not last.

(08-12-2013 12:46 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Indy will not be the last bowled filled, it will be the Birmingham. Why do you think the ACC is the primary backup for either team? You can bet the P5 will ensure a P5 vs P5 matchup whenever possible. The first bowls to dropped will be the G5 matchups. ACC will do the same with Military, BOBB and Birmingham. I believe the ACC filling up the Birmingham Bowl more than the SEC. I do know this was the ACC model in the past. Granite these payouts will be diffferent in 2014 but it may provide a priority status in the future. Really shocked by the Dallas Bowl Payout. Miami bowl really needs to offer at least a 1.5 mil payout and go for the Big 10 (8-10) team.

2013 Payouts http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl_...edule.html
SEC Lower Tier Bowl (8-9)
9. Advocare - 1.15 Mil
10. Birmingham 1 Mil for SEC 900K for AAC

ACC Lower Tier Bowls (7-9)
7. Indy 1.15 Mi
8. Military 1 Mi
9. Detroit ?? sneaking suspicion it will become in higher than the Military.

These bowls are locked in at this pick.
10. BOBB - 537K
11. Birmingham 1Mil


Big 12
6. Texas 1.7
7. Dallas 1.1 Mil vs CUSA (kinda surprising)/ Armed Forces 600K vs AAC

Big 10 Lower Tier (8-9)
8. Dallas 1.1 Mil vs CUSA / Armed Forces 600K vs AAC
9. Detoit Bowl?? SEE ACC Comment
Since SEC has 10, could this be a landing spot for Miami bowl?? Have it part of 8-10 pick of B10? Makes more sense than Pac 8th team.

PAC 12 (Appears to have order locked)
6. Kraft Hunger bowl 837K vs Big 10
7. Las Vegas Bowl 1.1 against MWC
8. Miami or LA ?????

Looks like u were wrong.

(08-12-2013 01:11 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:46 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Indy will not be the last bowled filled, it will be the Birmingham. Why do you think the ACC is the primary backup for either team? You can bet the P5 will ensure a P5 vs P5 matchup whenever possible. The first bowls to dropped will be the G5 matchups. ACC will do the same with Military, BOBB and Birmingham. I believe the ACC filling up the Birmingham Bowl more than the SEC. I do know this was the ACC model in the past. Granite these payouts will be diffferent in 2014 but it may provide a priority status in the future. Really shocked by the Dallas Bowl Payout. Miami bowl really needs to offer at least a 1.5 mil payout and go for the Big 10 (8-10) team.

2013 Payouts http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl_...edule.html
SEC Lower Tier Bowl (8-9)
9. Advocare - 1.15 Mil
10. Birmingham 1 Mil for SEC 900K for AAC

ACC Lower Tier Bowls (7-9)
7. Indy 1.15 Mi
8. Military 1 Mi
9. Detroit ?? sneaking suspicion it will become in higher than the Military.

These bowls are locked in at this pick.
10. BOBB - 537K
11. Birmingham 1Mil


Big 12
6. Texas 1.7
7. Dallas 1.1 Mil vs CUSA (kinda surprising)/ Armed Forces 600K vs AAC

Big 10 Lower Tier (8-9)
8. Dallas 1.1 Mil vs CUSA / Armed Forces 600K vs AAC
9. Detoit Bowl?? SEE ACC Comment
Since SEC has 10, could this be a landing spot for Miami bowl?? Have it part of 8-10 pick of B10? Makes more sense than Pac 8th team.

PAC 12 (Appears to have order locked)
6. Kraft Hunger bowl 837K vs Big 10
7. Las Vegas Bowl 1.1 against MWC
8. Miami or LA ?????

Actually according to their release the Birmingham Bowl is going to be ahead of the Indy.

"The SEC has also renewed its relationship with both the Birmingham Bowl (vs. TBA) and the Advocare V100 Bowl in Shreveport (vs. ACC). The Birmingham Bowl will have the first selection of available teams following the pool of six bowls. The Advocare V100 Bowl will have the next selection of available teams following the Birmingham Bowl"

Still not a good pick but not last.

Weird how the ESPN article made it sound the other way around by listing the Indy Bowl in front of the BBVA bowl. Well, we are not last---I guess that's something...

More confirmation:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...rming.html

The SEC has officially renewed its bowl tie-in with Birmingham's bowl as a lower-tier game for the conference.

The American Athletic Conference is expected to be the primary partner opposite the SEC, assuming the SEC produces enough eligible teams. Last week, ESPN Regional Television -- which owns Birmingham's bowl -- reached a backup agreement with the ACC for Birmingham.

Birmingham's bowl will have the first selection of available teams following the pool of six bowls. The Advocare V100 Bowl in Shreveport, La., will have the next pick of available SEC teams to play the ACC.

(08-12-2013 12:06 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:00 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  2 bad the "old" AAC mbrs weren't so greedy w/ the exit fees

I don't really blame them. I think anyone else would've acted the same way in that situation.

At this point, I'd approach the Mtn. for a champ-vs-champ bowl (allowing for 2nd-place team if 1st place in playoffs or access bowl). Each conference hosts at a site of their choosing in alternate years.

I would agree with this. If Fresno ends up not going to the BCS but is champ of the MWC I would rather see them play the 1-2 of the AAC than a 6-6 Pac-12 team in Las Vegas.

(08-12-2013 01:34 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:06 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:00 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  2 bad the "old" AAC mbrs weren't so greedy w/ the exit fees

I don't really blame them. I think anyone else would've acted the same way in that situation.

At this point, I'd approach the Mtn. for a champ-vs-champ bowl (allowing for 2nd-place team if 1st place in playoffs or access bowl). Each conference hosts at a site of their choosing in alternate years.

I would agree with this. If Fresno ends up not going to the BCS but is champ of the MWC I would rather see them play the 1-2 of the AAC than a 6-6 Pac-12 team in Las Vegas.

At this point I'd be ok with this too. The only other option is limiting the primary bowl ties to 4 or 5 and signing an agreement to be the primary back up for a large pool of P-5 bowls. Something like that would usually yield a decent mid-tier bowl vs a decent mid-tier P-5 opponent (#5-7). That said, there is the risk that some years, the available games might not be much better than the ones we already have.

(08-12-2013 01:28 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  More confirmation:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...rming.html

The SEC has officially renewed its bowl tie-in with Birmingham's bowl as a lower-tier game for the conference.

The American Athletic Conference is expected to be the primary partner opposite the SEC, assuming the SEC produces enough eligible teams. Last week, ESPN Regional Television -- which owns Birmingham's bowl -- reached a backup agreement with the ACC for Birmingham.

Birmingham's bowl will have the first selection of available teams following the pool of six bowls. The Advocare V100 Bowl in Shreveport, La., will have the next pick of available SEC teams to play the ACC.

I stand corrected. Good news for the AAC. Figure the AAC is the logical back up for Indy as a primary backup.

(08-12-2013 11:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, for the Liberty, we will still be the backup. I'm guessing there will be frequent times when the SEC can't fill it.

I'm not as hopefull as you are. I thinik the SEC will fill the spot just about every year.

(08-12-2013 02:08 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, for the Liberty, we will still be the backup. I'm guessing there will be frequent times when the SEC can't fill it.

I'm not as hopefull as you are. I think the SEC will fill the spot just about every year.

Depends. If the SEC goes to a 9-game conference schedule, it will be very difficult.

Why does anyone want to go to the bowl game in Birmingham? Complete dump of a stadium.

(08-12-2013 11:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, for the Liberty, we will still be the backup. I'm guessing there will be frequent times when the SEC can't fill it. That would certainly be one of our best opportunities to place our champ, if we don't find a suitable permanent home.

Not if the Liberty is part of the SEC 2-7 rotation, as has been reported.

Depends on the details of the contracts. Liberty was sort of a late addition to that pool, which had been reported as Outback-Gator-Belk-MC-Houston. At home I have a notebook where I worked out how the last 6 years would have played out, and the SEC only produced 7+ non-CFP bowl teams about half the time.

So, if the SEC doesn't have a 7th non-CFP bowl team for 3 of the 6 years, is the Liberty open every other year, or is the Liberty vacant one year, then Houston and then the Belk?

Either way, the AAC champion is the best backup the bowls can get now.

(I really expected the ACC and SEC to completely screw you guys, making Birmingham an ACC vs SEC game instead of Shreveport and having the ACC back up the SEC mid-tier bowl pool.)

(08-12-2013 02:00 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:28 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  More confirmation:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...rming.html

The SEC has officially renewed its bowl tie-in with Birmingham's bowl as a lower-tier game for the conference.

The American Athletic Conference is expected to be the primary partner opposite the SEC, assuming the SEC produces enough eligible teams. Last week, ESPN Regional Television -- which owns Birmingham's bowl -- reached a backup agreement with the ACC for Birmingham.

Birmingham's bowl will have the first selection of available teams following the pool of six bowls. The Advocare V100 Bowl in Shreveport, La., will have the next pick of available SEC teams to play the ACC.

I stand corrected. Good news for the AAC. Figure the AAC is the logical back up for Indy as a primary backup.

In practice, the Independence will be picking 11th or 12th after the at-large bids. The SEC will have a hard time filling that spot. Hopefully, we are well positioned to fill their vacancy.

Should be interesting which conference gets the backup to the AdvoCare Bowl

(08-12-2013 03:52 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  Should be interesting which conference gets the backup to the AdvoCare Bowl

Like I said in another thread, they may sign more than one backup to protect themselves. Could see signing both AAC and CUSA, although I don't see Sun Belt in mix.