(08-04-2013 12:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I love how people that never lived a day in a hood wants to bring up facts that they know little about. Casting stones aye. The entire premise of this thread screams racism IMO.

Funny you think some of us don't know anything about that. It's not that different than growing up dirt poor, working class and basically uneducated for multiple generations. That's basically my family tree going back 250 years in the US. My dad, his dad and his dad's dad didn't have much of anything going for them other than a good work ethic.

(08-04-2013 12:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I love how people that never lived a day in a hood wants to bring up facts that they know little about. Casting stones aye. The entire premise of this thread screams racism IMO.

Hey I don't blame Blacks I blame white liberals... That's how we got here, the soft racism of lowered expectations applied at the federal level. The same thing would befall any racial group which was treated as if they were too backwards to form their own families and education themselves.

So the question is this CP... Is the near 80% out of wedlock birth rate helping or hurting the AA community? what do we do to fix it if it's a problem?

You can't stack the cards against a group of people and then complain that they aren't meeting expectations.

Of course you have to lower expectations until more and more people of color become successful.

If you are born into a minority race in this country, you are already at a disadvantage.

How do you not see that?

I'd like to see these same statistics for Native Americans.

(08-04-2013 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I love how people that never lived a day in a hood wants to bring up facts that they know little about. Casting stones aye. The entire premise of this thread screams racism IMO.

Hey I don't blame Blacks I blame white liberals... That's how we got here, the soft racism of lowered expectations applied at the federal level. The same thing would befall any racial group which was treated as if they were too backwards to form their own families and education themselves.

So the question is this CP... Is the near 80% out of wedlock birth rate helping or hurting the AA community? what do we do to fix it if it's a problem?

You can't stack the cards against a group of people and then complain that they aren't meeting expectations.

Of course you have to lower expectations until more and more people of color become successful.

If you are born into a minority race in this country, you are already at a disadvantage.

How do you not see that?

Are you insane? The cards were stacked against my Irish and Italian grandparents and they made it.

You libs keep making excuses for the inability of the black community rather than holding them accountable for their lack of success. There are many blacks out there that have become rich and powerful, so if they want the opportunity it's there and waiting for them. But if they're going to cling to every word Al and Jesse tell them then in their minds they'll be victims all their lives.

(08-04-2013 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If you are born into a minority race in this country, you are already at a disadvantage.

What other minority is born with a disadvantage?

Not saying any of them are.

(08-04-2013 01:01 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I love how people that never lived a day in a hood wants to bring up facts that they know little about. Casting stones aye. The entire premise of this thread screams racism IMO.

Funny you think some of us don't know anything about that. It's not that different than growing up dirt poor, working class and basically uneducated for multiple generations. That's basically my family tree going back 250 years in the US. My dad, his dad and his dad's dad didn't have much of anything going for them other than a good work ethic.

I have spent the last 30 years supervising a medium to low income workforce of hundreds of men and women with the racial mix being about 50/50. I have seen plenty of failures and successes from both. I think I have a pretty good feel for this topic when it comes to how to succeed and how to fail...regardless of race. Usually... it comes down to ONE thing. Personal Responsibility.

(08-04-2013 08:33 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  84% of murders of "white" people are by other "white" people but you just keep your eye on the blacks. Good luck with your philosophy of WWJD or "what wouldn't Jesus do"

“When a nation’s young men are conservative, its funeral bell is already rung.”
~Henry Ward Beecher

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/03/...z2b0TuNwTA

What you leave out is the actual rate of murder for white people. That is the actual telling statistic.

(08-04-2013 01:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I love how people that never lived a day in a hood wants to bring up facts that they know little about. Casting stones aye. The entire premise of this thread screams racism IMO.

Hey I don't blame Blacks I blame white liberals... That's how we got here, the soft racism of lowered expectations applied at the federal level. The same thing would befall any racial group which was treated as if they were too backwards to form their own families and education themselves.

So the question is this CP... Is the near 80% out of wedlock birth rate helping or hurting the AA community? what do we do to fix it if it's a problem?

You can't stack the cards against a group of people and then complain that they aren't meeting expectations.

Of course you have to lower expectations until more and more people of color become successful.

If you are born into a minority race in this country, you are already at a disadvantage.

How do you not see that?

Are you insane? The cards were stacked against my Irish and Italian grandparents and they made it.

You libs keep making excuses for the inability of the black community rather than holding them accountable for their lack of success. There are many blacks out there that have become rich and powerful, so if they want the opportunity it's there and waiting for them. But if they're going to cling to every word Al and Jesse tell them then in their minds they'll be victims all their lives.

Yes, he is insane. Many minorities have thrived here. But FuckUpBud parents are proud of his internet degrees.

Sort of OT but interesting in light of many assumptions regarding the south, slavery and politics.

From the Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant.

Quote:The great bulk of the legal voters of the South were men who owned no slaves; their homes were generally in the hills and poor country; their facilities for educating their children, even up to the point of reading and writing, were very limited; their interest in the contest was very meagre—what there was, if they had been capable of seeing it, was with the North; they too needed emancipation. Under the old régime they were looked down upon by those who controlled all the affairs in the interest of slave-owners, as poor white trash who were allowed the ballot so long as they cast it according to direction.

I am aware that this last statement may be disputed and individual testimony perhaps adduced to show that in ante-bellum days the ballot was as untrammelled in the south as in any section of the country; but in the face of any such contradiction I reassert the statement. The shot-gun was not resorted to. Masked men did not ride over the country at night intimidating voters; but there was a firm feeling that a class existed in every State with a sort of divine right to control public affairs. If they could not get this control by one means they must by another. The end justified the means. The coercion, if mild, was complete.

There were two political parties, it is true, in all the States, both strong in numbers and respectability, but both equally loyal to the institution which stood paramount in Southern eyes to all other institutions in state or nation. The slave-owners were the minority, but governed both parties.

http://www.bartleby.com/1011/16.html

(08-04-2013 01:01 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I love how people that never lived a day in a hood wants to bring up facts that they know little about. Casting stones aye. The entire premise of this thread screams racism IMO.

Funny you think some of us don't know anything about that. It's not that different than growing up dirt poor, working class and basically uneducated for multiple generations. That's basically my family tree going back 250 years in the US. My dad, his dad and his dad's dad didn't have much of anything going for them other than a good work ethic.

I just find it easy for people to hide behind screen names. I'd to see how long people on this board would last w/out a drivers license w/ only enough money to pay 1 month's rent and 1 week's worth of groceries. Would make a neat social experiment, don't ya think? I just don't see how pointing out a race's flaws are going to fix the issues at hand. They're only going to cause more issues between white's/black's. What do y'all think about the black posters on this particular board that went to college, are doing well with themselves and their family and is reminded how horrible things are?

(08-04-2013 01:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 01:01 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I love how people that never lived a day in a hood wants to bring up facts that they know little about. Casting stones aye. The entire premise of this thread screams racism IMO.

Funny you think some of us don't know anything about that. It's not that different than growing up dirt poor, working class and basically uneducated for multiple generations. That's basically my family tree going back 250 years in the US. My dad, his dad and his dad's dad didn't have much of anything going for them other than a good work ethic.

I have spent the last 30 years supervising a medium to low income workforce of hundreds of men and women with the racial mix being about 50/50. I have seen plenty of failures and successes from both. I think I have a pretty good feel for this topic when it comes to how to succeed and how to fail...regardless of race. Usually... it comes down to ONE thing. Personal Responsibility.

I agree that personal responsibility plays a role. Several people I know personally that have earned college degrees and are successful in their careers, and others that are living the "street life".

(08-04-2013 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I love how people that never lived a day in a hood wants to bring up facts that they know little about. Casting stones aye. The entire premise of this thread screams racism IMO.

Hey I don't blame Blacks I blame white liberals... That's how we got here, the soft racism of lowered expectations applied at the federal level. The same thing would befall any racial group which was treated as if they were too backwards to form their own families and education themselves.

So the question is this CP... Is the near 80% out of wedlock birth rate helping or hurting the AA community? what do we do to fix it if it's a problem?

You can't stack the cards against a group of people and then complain that they aren't meeting expectations.

Of course you have to lower expectations until more and more people of color become successful.

If you are born into a minority race in this country, you are already at a disadvantage.

How do you not see that?

I actually agree with Bull_In_Exile here.

(08-04-2013 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You can't stack the cards against a group of people and then complain that they aren't meeting expectations.

Huh? Whos expectations?

Quote:Of course you have to lower expectations until more and more people of color become successful.

No you really don't. Enough people have come from destitute poverty to middle class and beyond to believe that a fair shake and a desire to do it, and a little good fortune, is all you need.

Quote:If you are born into a minority race in this country, you are already at a disadvantage.

And has that gotten better or worse since the great society launched? Let's seperate out the great society from the civil rights acts because one was needed, the other was not. At least in the 60's when you were born into a black family your odds were better than 80% in included two parents.

Quote:How do you not see that?

Because things are getting worse and worse for African American men. Insanity id doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.

(08-04-2013 01:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 01:01 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I love how people that never lived a day in a hood wants to bring up facts that they know little about. Casting stones aye. The entire premise of this thread screams racism IMO.

Funny you think some of us don't know anything about that. It's not that different than growing up dirt poor, working class and basically uneducated for multiple generations. That's basically my family tree going back 250 years in the US. My dad, his dad and his dad's dad didn't have much of anything going for them other than a good work ethic.

I have spent the last 30 years supervising a medium to low income workforce of hundreds of men and women with the racial mix being about 50/50. I have seen plenty of failures and successes from both. I think I have a pretty good feel for this topic when it comes to how to succeed and how to fail...regardless of race. Usually... it comes down to ONE thing. Personal Responsibility.

Which is a learned trait

Interesting that most conservatives here are making this about personal responsibility, education, family, and opportunity while liberals are sticking to the racial talking points. Which side appears to at least have a start to a solution and which side is making excuses?

(08-04-2013 03:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Interesting that most conservatives here are making this about personal responsibility, education, family, and opportunity while liberals are sticking to the racial talking points. Which side appears to at least have a start to a solution and which side is making excuses?

Nice observation. And good question.

(08-04-2013 03:42 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 03:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Interesting that most conservatives here are making this about personal responsibility, education, family, and opportunity while liberals are sticking to the racial talking points. Which side appears to at least have a start to a solution and which side is making excuses?

Nice observation. And good question.

I second that. Nice job 200.

(08-04-2013 03:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Interesting that most conservatives here are making this about personal responsibility, education, family, and opportunity while liberals are sticking to the racial talking points. Which side appears to at least have a start to a solution and which side is making excuses?

+1

All most all of these statistics are systemic issues from the system democrats put in to build dependency and keep votes, a system that hurts the people who believe they are being helped.

(08-04-2013 05:03 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  All most all of these statistics are systemic issues from the system democrats put in to build dependency and keep votes, a system that hurts the people who believe they are being helped.

another great point.

(08-04-2013 11:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 11:20 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 10:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 10:23 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 10:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Nothing.

As long as people believe that the problems minorities have stem from their skin color rather than economic problems and social status.

Who believes that?...other than the very minority to which you refer? Ironic..huh?

People of all races are equal in every way shape and form. Therefore, to believe that someone's economic or social status is different because of something they themselves are doing is in and of itself a racist statement.

BS..It's stating facts. I guess the 70% rate of unwed mothers is due to simple economics and social status? That's GD hogwash. Actions have consequences. In what world do people live in which they can't figure out how to screw and not get pregnant? They will GIVE you condoms at the health department for free. There is NO excuse for piss poor behavior.

You are missing the point. There may be more unwed mothers in the black community but that doesn't mean it is because they are black.

It has Nothing to do with race. It has to do with a horribly broken welfare/dependency state the women were born into. They have never known any different life and don't think there is a way out. That being said there is no easy solution, but doing the same thing or worse expanding the same thing(democrat policies) will never make life better for anyone living in the welfare state.

Not to mention the democrats can stay in power if they have enough people who will vote for their handouts.