Maybe Sander will stay past July??????????? Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(04-05-2013 09:56 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:42 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  I think a new AD should be hired for the long term before coaching hires.

Or it could be that the ETSU administration doesn't agree with your opinion of Murry Bartow, Rod.

Imagine that.

Well since Sander is going to be hiring the football and women's basketball coach I guess the ETSU adminstration doesn't agree with
you either.

Imagine that.

And that's why ETSU has struggled so much the past 10 years.

Ya really fell into that one, Mr. Spin.

I've wondered if Sander might have the interim tag removed. I would recommend it, because otherwise it would seem the man who follows him, with so much of the pattern set out in front of him, could have "puppet" qualities.

(04-06-2013 10:27 PM)LetsgoBucs Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 03:49 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 10:42 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  I actually agree with you. They may already know who the permanent AD will be and they could be involved behind the scenes. It would make sense to make sure that the new AD agrees with the hire.

Why? If they have "hired" someone why keep it a secret, why not just name the person, move him and let him get started. Makes no sense at all to me and I doubt very seriously if that is what has happened. Plus why should the new AD agree to that and work for free?
I agree the new AD should do the hires but since Sander has already hired an assistant AD (Fulmer) and is planning on hiring a football coach and a women's basketball coach I don't think having to start with coaches someone else hired (and those coaches having to work with a AD that didn't hire them) isn't as big a deal breaker as some would have claimed it to be.

I think it's stupid to focus on hiring coaches before an AD. What is Sander going to sell coaches on? His vision of ETSU? Who cares what his vision is if the man/woman that is the next AD has a completely different vision? It makes no sense to allow Sander to determine the direction of the dept if he's out in July. Find your leader first, then hire the other pieces.

Better watch out. Keep talking logically like that and some 60-something year old guy will accuse you of being the "least popular poster on the board."

(04-07-2013 10:12 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  And that's why ETSU has struggled so much the past 10 years.

Ya really fell into that one, Mr. Spin.

Since the current adminstration has only been in place for a bit over year and they are the ones now making the decisions you really don't have a point about the struggles of the "last ten years". But nice try.

Unless Sander has decided to stay on as AD then it looks like he is going to be making several of the key decisions for the direction and future of ETSU athletics not the AD that is going to be hired on a permament basis and Noland is going to let him. Most everybody has been singing the praises of Noland for bring football back and just about all of them were also happy to have Sander brought in to help. Now everybody is second guessing them. So do we trust Noland and Sander to know what they are doing or what?

Complaining about Noland and Sander at this point is like complaining that your mountains aren't blue on your Coor's can while you sit on the beach in Hawaii. I'll take that over the hell we were in the last 10 years.

(04-07-2013 12:58 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Complaining about Noland and Sander at this point is like complaining that your mountains aren't blue on your Coor's can while you sit on the beach in Hawaii. I'll take that over the hell we were in the last 10 years.

We are in a great place now! This is wonderful. Just think, we are going to have a head football coach on campus in about a month or so. That thought just blows me away!

AThletic directors are fired, retire, forced to retire, or leave for other jobs all the time.. when the new AD comes in he or she most times takes over a department with coaches already in place.. then when the next coach leaves.. then they get to be envolved with hiring.. I have never heard of a person turning down a job unless the school fires all the coaches and they get to hire all new coaches when they come in..maybe someone can give me some examples of that happening?????

They don't but most athletic directos do like to have their own people in place, especially in higher profile sports. A great example of how that backfired was Mike Hamilton, in an amazingly short time he turned over the three primary men's sports and only one of them sort of worked out. It would've gone better but something about lying about a cookout screwed that one up.
In Bartow's case, let him stay, it's a safe play to not give him an extension, make him coach for his job and ultimately he'll be let go.

(04-07-2013 11:18 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Unless Sander has decided to stay on as AD then it looks like he is going to be making several of the key decisions for the direction and future of ETSU athletics not the AD that is going to be hired on a permament basis and Noland is going to let him. Most everybody has been singing the praises of Noland for bring football back and just about all of them were also happy to have Sander brought in to help. Now everybody is second guessing them. So do we trust Noland and Sander to know what they are doing or what?

I guarantee you that I trust Noland and Sander. They've already done more in a few short months than Stanton and Mullins could ever think of doing in ten years. They certainly have exposed those two of how bad they really were in managing athletics. Hell, after Stanton and Mullins, I'd trust Buggs Bunny and Mickey Mouse to do a better job.

1. As many of us have speculated, Sander may want to stay more than the 6 months. Or not; that's nowhere close to being decided, I don't think.

2. Turns out, Fulmer is doing head coach interviews as we discuss this, in cooperation with Sander, of course.

3. Outside chance that the new football coach could also be, or turn into, the new AD, which solves some of the "problem" of a new AD not having say so over hiring the new coach. But it also creates potential problems, too, as I think we're well aware. I'm NOT saying that that's gonna happen. In fact, likely not. Just that it's not inconceivable.

4. Smart money is on Barbi to be the new AD.








(Ok, that last one is just a joke. Hopefully you all knew that.....)

(04-09-2013 01:49 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  1. As many of us have speculated, Sander may want to stay more than the 6 months. Or not; that's nowhere close to being decided, I don't think.

2. Turns out, Fulmer is doing head coach interviews as we discuss this, in cooperation with Sander, of course.

3. Outside chance that the new football coach could also be, or turn into, the new AD, which solves some of the "problem" of a new AD not having say so over hiring the new coach. But it also creates potential problems, too, as I think we're well aware. I'm NOT saying that that's gonna happen. In fact, likely not. Just that it's not inconceivable.

4. Smart money is on Barbi to be the new AD.








(Ok, that last one is just a joke. Hopefully you all knew that.....)

I hope you know you just made me throw up in my mouth!

(04-09-2013 01:49 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  1. As many of us have speculated, Sander may want to stay more than the 6 months. Or not; that's nowhere close to being decided, I don't think.

2. Turns out, Fulmer is doing head coach interviews as we discuss this, in cooperation with Sander, of course.

3. Outside chance that the new football coach could also be, or turn into, the new AD, which solves some of the "problem" of a new AD not having say so over hiring the new coach. But it also creates potential problems, too, as I think we're well aware. I'm NOT saying that that's gonna happen. In fact, likely not. Just that it's not inconceivable.

4. Smart money is on Barbi to be the new AD.







(Ok, that last one is just a joke. Hopefully you all knew that.....)

In the old days it was not uncommon for the football coach to be the AD. Of course a different time, a different place.

Slide Fulmer to AD and make Sander his assistant for rest of his contract. Let Fulmer concentrate on football for now and Sander deal with the other. Kind of what they are doing now just swap titles.

I'm not sure "Assistant to the AD" is exactly the same as "Assistant AD."

I know Randy Sanders has been mentioned, would be a pretty good FBS level hire as I feel he unfairly took the brunt of the blame after Fulmer's first down season in Knoxville.

If we are talking guys with Fulmer ties that would definitely be familiar with ETSU, Another guy with Fulmer background that showed interest in the Western Carolina job a while back is Dan Brooks. He was recruiting coordinator from 1999-02 at UT (a lot of NFL guys landed during his time in that role). Present Associate Head Coach and DL coach at Clemson. He's getting older and head coaching opportunities are slim pickings for someone of his age. As a position coach he worked with guys like John Henderson, Shaun Ellis, Albert Haynesworth and at Clemson had All-American Jarvis Jenkins.

Also interesting to note that Elizabethton Coach Shawn Witten, who has turned around that program in big ways in six seasons, was a graduate assistant for two years at UT working closely with Brooks.

Worked one time, why not try it again:

David Dean, Valdosta State... Won Division II national titles in 2012, 2007. 49 years old, offensive-minded coach. Started out as receivers coach for four years under Mike Cavan. Worked his way up to offensive coordinator and won a national title in his first year as head coach.

Other names, just to stir some conversation:

Maryville head coach George Quarles ... His H.S. resume speaks for itself (179-13 with 9 state titles since 1999), but could that translate to a college game a la Gus Malzahn? Is he a potential O.C. Candidate? Interesting name to say the least.

Former Auburn/Tennessee assistant Trooper Taylor ... Nobody has touched Taylor for an assistant position because his name is pretty hot with the rumors of NCAA violations at Auburn, but he is a players coach and has long wanted a shot at a offensive coordinator/head coaching gig. Strong recruiter.

Craig Bohl, North Dakota State... Might as well aim high. Bohl has led his team to consecutive FCS titles. In 2004, their first season of FCS play, Bohl led them to a top 25 ranking and an upset of Montana. Also a former D.C. at Nebraska. I'd at least make a phone call. He's doing something right.
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Off subject, speaking of Athletic Director talk, David Blackburn was mentioned on here by myself and others... Looks like he is about to be named to the spot at Chattanooga.

(04-09-2013 11:22 AM)etsuwes Wrote:  I know Randy Sanders has been mentioned, would be a pretty good FBS level hire as I feel he unfairly took the brunt of the blame after Fulmer's first down season in Knoxville.

If we are talking guys with Fulmer ties that would definitely be familiar with ETSU, Another guy with Fulmer background that showed interest in the Western Carolina job a while back is Dan Brooks. He was recruiting coordinator from 1999-02 at UT (a lot of NFL guys landed during his time in that role). Present Associate Head Coach and DL coach at Clemson. He's getting older and head coaching opportunities are slim pickings for someone of his age. As a position coach he worked with guys like John Henderson, Shaun Ellis, Albert Haynesworth and at Clemson had All-American Jarvis Jenkins.

Also interesting to note that Elizabethton Coach Shawn Witten, who has turned around that program in big ways in six seasons, was a graduate assistant for two years at UT working closely with Brooks.

Worked one time, why not try it again:

David Dean, Valdosta State... Won Division II national titles in 2012, 2007. 49 years old, offensive-minded coach. Started out as receivers coach for four years under Mike Cavan. Worked his way up to offensive coordinator and won a national title in his first year as head coach.

Other names, just to stir some conversation:

Maryville head coach George Quarles ... His H.S. resume speaks for itself (179-13 with 9 state titles since 1999), but could that translate to a college game a la Gus Malzahn? Is he a potential O.C. Candidate? Interesting name to say the least.

Former Auburn/Tennessee assistant Trooper Taylor ... Nobody has touched Taylor for an assistant position because his name is pretty hot with the rumors of NCAA violations at Auburn, but he is a players coach and has long wanted a shot at a offensive coordinator/head coaching gig. Strong recruiter.

Craig Bohl, North Dakota State... Might as well aim high. Bohl has led his team to consecutive FCS titles. In 2004, their first season of FCS play, Bohl led them to a top 25 ranking and an upset of Montana. Also a former D.C. at Nebraska. I'd at least make a phone call. He's doing something right.
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Off subject, speaking of Athletic Director talk, David Blackburn was mentioned on here by myself and others... Looks like he is about to be named to the spot at Chattanooga.

One of the names you mentioned lives within 100 yards of Fulmer.

Coach Quarles won't leave Maryville, but you can't talk about him without mentioning Coach Rankin at Alcoa.
Sanders isn't a candidate, atleast not anymore.
Trooper is a great way to get the NCAA setting up camp at your university (See Auburn troubles).
Dan Brooks literally worked the golf practice facility at UT until he reached his years with the state. Glad he's coaching again though and Clemson makes sense for him as well as Robbie Caldwell.
Shawn Witten. No. Perhaps he should be able to beat either Alcoa or C.A.K. before competing against Division I FCS/FBS competition. It would bring money from his good brother, but I'd be leary of him giving his other brother a job.
Really happy for David Blackburn, very deserving of the job.

(04-09-2013 10:20 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Coach Quarles won't leave Maryville, but you can't talk about him without mentioning Coach Rankin at Alcoa.
Sanders isn't a candidate, atleast not anymore.
Trooper is a great way to get the NCAA setting up camp at your university (See Auburn troubles).
Dan Brooks literally worked the golf practice facility at UT until he reached his years with the state. Glad he's coaching again though and Clemson makes sense for him as well as Robbie Caldwell.
Shawn Witten. No. Perhaps he should be able to beat either Alcoa or C.A.K. before competing against Division I FCS/FBS competition. It would bring money from his good brother, but I'd be leary of him giving his other brother a job.
Really happy for David Blackburn, very deserving of the job.

Didn't mention Witten for a job, just said it was interesting to note his ties with Brooks...