(03-13-2013 09:18 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Estonia does not have major military presence in the middle east,

Hmmm...I wonder if that could be connected. Maybe instead of taking our rights, we could stop with the foreign policy that makes them hate us, eliminating the reason that makes taking our rights "necessary" to you?

AirRaid Wrote:plus I dont even know, what rights people have in Estonia or Chile.

It's okay, you apparently don't know what rights people have in the U.S either.

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:37 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:33 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am not the biggest fan of this policy, but there are bigger issues that worry me than this. Also just because the president does something I dont like, I dont scream at the top of my voice to divide the country.

Don't you realize it's Obama that's dividing the country? Don't you listen to his us/them speeches?

Dude you are anti Islam....now why should I listen to you?

Yeah, that put me in my place, didn't it?

What a moronic response. Screw people like you who promote hate.

What hate? Where is your tolerance bro?

(03-13-2013 09:08 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

bull****.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than let the fear of them give my government a blank check to run roughshod over the Constitution.

No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

Castro keeps his people safe. Do you have a point?

(03-13-2013 09:26 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:18 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Estonia does not have major military presence in the middle east,

Hmmm...I wonder if that could be connected. Maybe instead of taking our rights, we could stop with the foreign policy that makes them hate us, eliminating the reason that makes taking our rights "necessary" to you?

AirRaid Wrote:plus I dont even know, what rights people have in Estonia or Chile.

It's okay, you apparently don't know what rights people have in the U.S either.

I will not agree with what you said and I damn well know my rights.

(03-13-2013 09:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:08 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

bull****.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than let the fear of them give my government a blank check to run roughshod over the Constitution.

No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

Castro keeps his people safe. Do you have a point?

Castro also bankrupt his country and needed major help staying afloat.

(03-13-2013 09:36 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:26 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:18 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Estonia does not have major military presence in the middle east,

Hmmm...I wonder if that could be connected. Maybe instead of taking our rights, we could stop with the foreign policy that makes them hate us, eliminating the reason that makes taking our rights "necessary" to you?

AirRaid Wrote:plus I dont even know, what rights people have in Estonia or Chile.

It's okay, you apparently don't know what rights people have in the U.S either.

I will not agree with what you said and I damn well know my rights.

You just don't care when they're compromised?

As a bystander here , I am very confused.

RRM aggressively asserts that the US government is overstepping its bounds by gaining more access to private citizens financial records.
AH asserts RRM is an idiot and wears tin foil hats
RRM asks AH for the basis of his support of why this is OK
AH responds that it happens all the time and is OK with it because the govt keeps him safe
AH reminded that dicatators, like Castro, also have kept their people safe
AH responds that in keeping people safe, outside support was required.

WTF are you arguing here?????
WHile I beleive RRM is overly sensitive to disagreement, I agree that it is not hte government's purview to know my financial records. Very Big-Brotherish. And your argument is that you will gladly give up your liberties to be "safe".?

Please clarify, as my "ODU education" (as you demeaned earlier) is lost in your strangely ambiguous arguments.

(03-13-2013 08:10 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am pretty damn pragmatic. This room is just full of far right extremists, no matter what I say, no one will listen. I bet when Bush passed the patriot act you guys didnt say a word but the same people insist on crying now.

I know, that there is a system of checks and balances in place and he can't do whatever the hell he wants without support from the legislative side.

Sorry..but...Plenty of us opposed the Patriot Act. No reason you would know that. Stick around and you will find more Classical Liberals than NeoCons here.

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:26 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:10 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am pretty damn pragmatic. This room is just full of far right extremists, no matter what I say, no one will listen. I bet when Bush passed the patriot act you guys didnt say a word but the same people insist on crying now.

I know, that there is a system of checks and balances in place and he can't do whatever the hell he wants without support from the legislative side.

I think bush was terrible and I abhor the patriot act.

Now your turn.

Oh you aren't going to criticize Obama? SHOCKING.

I am not the biggest fan of this policy, but there are bigger issues that worry me than this. Also just because the president does something I dont like, I dont scream at the top of my voice to divide the country.

Then you are a Partisan Hack. No worry...most everyone is.

(03-13-2013 09:08 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

bull****.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than let the fear of them give my government a blank check to run roughshod over the Constitution.

No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

If so...Then why does the TSA admit that its Red Team gets almost 50 percent of contraband past its screening? AR...I used to be exactly where you were several years ago until I started paying attention. I suggest you do the same.

Financial institutions file more than 15 million "suspicious activity reports" every year, according to Treasury. Banks, for instance, are required to report all personal cash transactions exceeding $10,000, as well as suspected incidents of money laundering, loan fraud, computer hacking or counterfeiting.

You mean people bother to deposit amounts smaller than $10,000 into bank accounts.
ha - reminds me of a Johnny Carson statement on The Tonight Show years ago when he said that no one drove a car with 100,000 miles on it.
He looked shocked when the studio audience booed him.

(03-13-2013 08:39 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:32 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:10 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am pretty damn pragmatic. This room is just full of far right extremists, no matter what I say, no one will listen. I bet when Bush passed the patriot act you guys didnt say a word but the same people insist on crying now.

Just so we're clear, the Patriot Act is okay, now?

I hate it, but if it actually protects Americans then I am willing to support it.

Anyone willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither...

yea I stole that ish but eff it... I'd wipe my ass w/ the paper the Patriot Act is written on.

Yes it sucks, but if its necessary, then why not. If it helps catch terrorists on American soil, then I am for it.

The point is it's not necessary, there are ZERO terrorists organizations left in America with that much money that the FBI, CIA and NSA need to be able to access their bank records.

If you can't understand that this is about intimidating any political opponent Obama deems "possibly funding terrorism" then there is no point in addressing you because you have no concept of the way our government and the "amazing, kind, gentle and not at all corrupt" people who work in said government actually work.

This will be used much like the "WMD argument" that you so abhor. Obama accuses a political opponents company or political allies company of possibly funding terrorism, they raid said corporation and go through all their financials and then go "well we didnt find anything, but we found some other stuff" and they either take over said corporation, shut it down or just arrest those in charge. Or at least they threaten to do that to get what they want politically.

If you don't understand the power this grants him, not needing any probably cause to basically audit any corporation he wants, and the extreme potential for abuse, you really are just a clueless sheep. This is a very big deal whether you choose to except the truth or not. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a serious breach or corporate privacy and freedom, the first of its kind in American history.



Seriously ask yourself this one question......if the FBI and CIA can already access documents on a case by case basis when they deem it necessary and have to show a cause (which is the right thing to do), what on earth could they possibly be accomplishing by doing this that they couldn't already do?????

If you think the real, honest answer is "fighting terrorism" than you must think the patriot act was a tremendous idea because that's what that was for as well. Only a clueless clueless sheep would think giving the federal government unfiltered and unwarranted access to every Americans finances is really ONLY about stopping terrorism.

Complete and utter insanity.

(03-13-2013 08:53 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:05 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Did he not pass the patriot act? Did people here make threads and cry about it?

Well, let's see...the Patriot Act was signed into law in 2001. This board didn't exist then, so...

(03-13-2013 08:10 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I know, that there is a system of checks and balances in place and he can't do whatever the hell he wants without support from the legislative side.

Where were the checks and balances and legislation to support killing American citizens without a trial, torturing Bradley Manning, or creating a secret kill list?

Game, set, match. There is no valid rebuttle.

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:37 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:33 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am not the biggest fan of this policy, but there are bigger issues that worry me than this. Also just because the president does something I dont like, I dont scream at the top of my voice to divide the country.

Don't you realize it's Obama that's dividing the country? Don't you listen to his us/them speeches?

Dude you are anti Islam....now why should I listen to you?

Yeah, that put me in my place, didn't it?

What a moronic response. Screw people like you who promote hate.

Says the only person making truly moronic responses in this thread. What a complete and utter joke of a human being you are.

(03-13-2013 09:08 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

bull****.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than let the fear of them give my government a blank check to run roughshod over the Constitution.

No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

This response, and your stupidity, completely disgust me. The fact that you actually believe this insane garbage is completely terrifying. You are a stooge of the highest order.

Wow, other than Robert, this guy (airraid)) may be the biggest useful idiot on the board...

I still believe in the government ( who are also Americans) unlike most of you. For doing so I get called a " a human joke" an "idiot", "moron". This is what you guys do? When someone does not agree with your damn conspiracy theories you guys just start cursing? Most Americans are fine with giving up civil liberties for safety. Those are the pragmatic people, unlike hardcore republican blowhards like you.

(03-13-2013 09:55 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  As a bystander here , I am very confused.

RRM aggressively asserts that the US government is overstepping its bounds by gaining more access to private citizens financial records.
AH asserts RRM is an idiot and wears tin foil hats
RRM asks AH for the basis of his support of why this is OK
AH responds that it happens all the time and is OK with it because the govt keeps him safe
AH reminded that dicatators, like Castro, also have kept their people safe
AH responds that in keeping people safe, outside support was required.

WTF are you arguing here?????
WHile I beleive RRM is overly sensitive to disagreement, I agree that it is not hte government's purview to know my financial records. Very Big-Brotherish. And your argument is that you will gladly give up your liberties to be "safe".?

Please clarify, as my "ODU education" (as you demeaned earlier) is lost in your strangely ambiguous arguments.

I have nothing against ODU, but this razor monarch, he certainly does not paint ODU in a good picture. I don't agree with the solution he presents on how to deal with the problem by just diving the country and somehow you are a patriot for doing that. I can't believe Obama is being compared to Castro. I am ok with giving up civil liberties to an extent. I am not in favor of writing a blank check, but I am ok when the government presents us with a justified reason. Is this so hard to understand?

Compare that to razor monarch. It almosts sounds the government is ready to take over the country as we speak by the reading his posts. I am supposed to take him seriously? Follow his solution and divide America into two countries? What a damn joke. If I haven't done anything wrong then why would the government go out of their way to screw people for no reason.


Also @ Razor monarch. I don't want to respond to him because he is anti Islam and I am a joke for doing that? No, your a complete joke for supporting that.

(03-14-2013 05:48 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  Most Americans are fine with giving up civil liberties for safety.

True, and that's the problem.

(03-14-2013 06:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 05:48 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  Most Americans are fine with giving up civil liberties for safety.

True, and that's the problem.

That hum you hear is James Madison spinning in his grave.

(03-14-2013 05:48 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  Also @ Razor monarch. I don't want to respond to him because he is anti Islam and I am a joke for doing that? No, your a complete joke for supporting that.

Chill bro, no one is anti Islam. In fact, there are probably more people here who are anti Obama than anti Islam. What we are is anti terrorist, and disagree strongly with some of the Islamic teachings - like killing those who might convert, etc. And after what people have done to us in the name of Islam then the cheap pot shots we make at them in this forum are nothing in comparison. The people they killed don't get to take pot shots.