(03-13-2013 08:32 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:10 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am pretty damn pragmatic. This room is just full of far right extremists, no matter what I say, no one will listen. I bet when Bush passed the patriot act you guys didnt say a word but the same people insist on crying now.

Just so we're clear, the Patriot Act is okay, now?

I hate it, but if it actually protects Americans then I am willing to support it.

Yeah, Fourth Amendment, Shmourth Amendment.

(03-13-2013 08:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:32 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:10 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am pretty damn pragmatic. This room is just full of far right extremists, no matter what I say, no one will listen. I bet when Bush passed the patriot act you guys didnt say a word but the same people insist on crying now.

Just so we're clear, the Patriot Act is okay, now?

I hate it, but if it actually protects Americans then I am willing to support it.

Anyone willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither...

yea I stole that ish but eff it... I'd wipe my ass w/ the paper the Patriot Act is written on.

Yes it sucks, but if its necessary, then why not. If it helps catch terrorists on American soil, then I am for it.

(03-13-2013 08:39 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:32 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:10 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am pretty damn pragmatic. This room is just full of far right extremists, no matter what I say, no one will listen. I bet when Bush passed the patriot act you guys didnt say a word but the same people insist on crying now.

Just so we're clear, the Patriot Act is okay, now?

I hate it, but if it actually protects Americans then I am willing to support it.

Anyone willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither...

yea I stole that ish but eff it... I'd wipe my ass w/ the paper the Patriot Act is written on.

Yes it sucks, but if its necessary, then why not. If it helps catch terrorists on American soil, then I am for it.

So, what civil liberties are you willing to cede? Be specific.

You've already ceded the 4th Amendment. What's next?

(03-13-2013 08:43 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:39 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:32 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Just so we're clear, the Patriot Act is okay, now?

I hate it, but if it actually protects Americans then I am willing to support it.

Anyone willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither...

yea I stole that ish but eff it... I'd wipe my ass w/ the paper the Patriot Act is written on.

Yes it sucks, but if its necessary, then why not. If it helps catch terrorists on American soil, then I am for it.

So, what civil liberties are you willing to cede? Be specific.

You've already ceded the 4th Amendment. What's next?

I have not ceded the 4th. Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

(03-13-2013 08:46 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:43 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:39 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:32 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I hate it, but if it actually protects Americans then I am willing to support it.

Anyone willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither...

yea I stole that ish but eff it... I'd wipe my ass w/ the paper the Patriot Act is written on.

Yes it sucks, but if its necessary, then why not. If it helps catch terrorists on American soil, then I am for it.

So, what civil liberties are you willing to cede? Be specific.

You've already ceded the 4th Amendment. What's next?

I have not ceded the 4th.

Do you read what you write?

Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

(03-13-2013 08:37 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:33 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:26 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:10 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am pretty damn pragmatic. This room is just full of far right extremists, no matter what I say, no one will listen. I bet when Bush passed the patriot act you guys didnt say a word but the same people insist on crying now.

I know, that there is a system of checks and balances in place and he can't do whatever the hell he wants without support from the legislative side.

I think bush was terrible and I abhor the patriot act.

Now your turn.

Oh you aren't going to criticize Obama? SHOCKING.

I am not the biggest fan of this policy, but there are bigger issues that worry me than this. Also just because the president does something I dont like, I dont scream at the top of my voice to divide the country.

Don't you realize it's Obama that's dividing the country? Don't you listen to his us/them speeches?

Dude you are anti Islam....now why should I listen to you?

Yeah, that put me in my place, didn't it?

(03-13-2013 08:05 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Did he not pass the patriot act? Did people here make threads and cry about it?

Well, let's see...the Patriot Act was signed into law in 2001. This board didn't exist then, so...

(03-13-2013 08:10 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I know, that there is a system of checks and balances in place and he can't do whatever the hell he wants without support from the legislative side.

Where were the checks and balances and legislation to support killing American citizens without a trial, torturing Bradley Manning, or creating a secret kill list?

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

Search and seizure?

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

(03-13-2013 08:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:37 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:33 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:31 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:26 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  I think bush was terrible and I abhor the patriot act.

Now your turn.

Oh you aren't going to criticize Obama? SHOCKING.

I am not the biggest fan of this policy, but there are bigger issues that worry me than this. Also just because the president does something I dont like, I dont scream at the top of my voice to divide the country.

Don't you realize it's Obama that's dividing the country? Don't you listen to his us/them speeches?

Dude you are anti Islam....now why should I listen to you?

Yeah, that put me in my place, didn't it?

What a moronic response. Screw people like you who promote hate.

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

So, we've established that you're ok with how both this and previous administrations have handled domestic terror. How do you think our government defines terrorists? Are you ok with that?

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

bull****.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than let the fear of them give my government a blank check to run roughshod over the Constitution.

(03-13-2013 09:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

bull****.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than let the fear of them give my government a blank check to run roughshod over the Constitution.

No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

(03-13-2013 09:08 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:51 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Patriot act does not give the right to unlawful arrests.

And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

bull****.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than let the fear of them give my government a blank check to run roughshod over the Constitution.

No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

Not familiar with the Patriot Act, are you?

(03-13-2013 09:12 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:08 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  And to be secure in your person from unreasonable searches and seizures? Warrantless wiretaps, TSA groping? drones peeking up your rectum? DHS armed to the teeth beyond any sensible explanation?

What would it take to make you a little uncomfortable?

I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

bull****.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than let the fear of them give my government a blank check to run roughshod over the Constitution.

No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

Not familiar with the Patriot Act, are you?

I am

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

Why is it necessary?

(03-13-2013 09:08 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

They haven't had any Al Qaeda attacks in Chile or Estonia, but they didn't have to surrender their rights.

(03-13-2013 09:16 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

Why is it necessary?

(03-13-2013 09:08 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

They haven't had any Al Qaeda attacks in Chile or Estonia, but they didn't have to surrender their rights.

Estonia does not have major military presence in the middle east, plus I dont even know, what rights people have in Estonia or Chile.

(03-13-2013 09:14 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:12 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:08 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  I am already uncomfortable, but its necessary.

bull****.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than let the fear of them give my government a blank check to run roughshod over the Constitution.

No one is giving anyone a blank check. There is a limit for everything and how far people can sacrifice civil liberties.
So far, the government has kept us safe.

Not familiar with the Patriot Act, are you?

I am

Wow. I mean, um, wow.

That's pretty disturbing.