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(02-24-2013 01:23 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:09 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 10:11 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 05:59 PM)Matrix Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 01:58 PM)rebounder2u Wrote:  Legion field is a poor home field for UAB because is is obsolete compared to the modern facilities around the country, its not because of the community. That statement is quite true...You're being nice by using the term, "obsolete"...
Legion field is just not attractive when compared to more up to date facilities that aren't located in residential areas. Most definitely true!!! If it were so "iconic" and "historic", why are there so few tenants there and it's not even good enough to be part of the Super 6 annual rotation, which further hinders recruiting efforts on behalf of UAB Football. Just a matter of time before the BBVA Compass Bowl runs up against it, in spite of the very nice turnout for the previous installment, it won't be enough to cover up the glaring inadequacies of this place.


Legion field is one of the safest facilities in Birmingham on game days.Partially true, but the bombardment of negative perception and dependent upon individual experiences (I was caught up in 3 separate "jackpots" in many visits there for games), just overall digust with the place for everything from rude, obnoxious treatment by park personnel, police officers, third-rate concession service, or victimization/encounters with insidious elements in the surrounding area, make for a lot of good reasons why UAB should not be playing there anymore and should have a place of their own on campus.

UAB is like a disgruntled homeless guest, you give them a place to stay and they ***** about the condition of your house, the quality of your neighbors, and the accessibility of your driveway. All the while talking about their dream house, one that their parents won't allow them to build. What if a new tenant moved in with a greater sense of appreciation, the ability to generate more revenue, pays their fair share of the bills, and UAB was asked to vacate the basement?

Legion field isn't any more dangerous than Cullman, Jasper, or Trussville, all places that were considered dangerous by a lot of black people when I was growing up.

Um, UAB is a paying tenant, that doesn't get priority scheduling.

What is the current rent for UAB? What was it in the beginning? How many tickets does Birmingham purchase? What is the economic impact for surrounding area, when it comes to UAB games? What is the cost of hosting a game versus the revenue generated? Just because you pay rent to a landlord doesn't necessarily mean the rent covers the mortgage, utilities, and cost of maintenance. One could make a legitimate argument that UAB is more of a liability to LF and the surrounding neighborhood than an asset. By the way, I didn't say UAB doesn't pay rent, I used "like" refer to English 101.

If its an issue then either charge us more rent or STFU. I think you vastly underestimate the value of UAB playing games in Birmingham.

You should respect people's views and not tell them to STFU

I think he was saying that if Birmingham had a problem with what we paid in rent, they should either raise our rent or STFU.

I didn't read it as telling anyone here to.

(02-24-2013 01:43 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:23 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:09 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 10:11 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 05:59 PM)Matrix Wrote:  

UAB is like a disgruntled homeless guest, you give them a place to stay and they ***** about the condition of your house, the quality of your neighbors, and the accessibility of your driveway. All the while talking about their dream house, one that their parents won't allow them to build. What if a new tenant moved in with a greater sense of appreciation, the ability to generate more revenue, pays their fair share of the bills, and UAB was asked to vacate the basement?

Legion field isn't any more dangerous than Cullman, Jasper, or Trussville, all places that were considered dangerous by a lot of black people when I was growing up.

Um, UAB is a paying tenant, that doesn't get priority scheduling.

What is the current rent for UAB? What was it in the beginning? How many tickets does Birmingham purchase? What is the economic impact for surrounding area, when it comes to UAB games? What is the cost of hosting a game versus the revenue generated? Just because you pay rent to a landlord doesn't necessarily mean the rent covers the mortgage, utilities, and cost of maintenance. One could make a legitimate argument that UAB is more of a liability to LF and the surrounding neighborhood than an asset. By the way, I didn't say UAB doesn't pay rent, I used "like" refer to English 101.

If its an issue then either charge us more rent or STFU. I think you vastly underestimate the value of UAB playing games in Birmingham.

I can't find where the city of Birmingham has complained or posted. I got a better idea, why don't those who complain about, condemn, and convict LF, the neighborhood, and it's citizens, stfu. I want an OCS because it is what's best for UAB, now and in the long run, and it has nothing to do with Legion Field's condition or location. Please enlighten me, because if UAB isn't getting priority scheduling, as someone stated, then the city must grossly underestimate the value of UAB playing at LF as well.

(02-24-2013 01:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't see anyone else beating done Legion Field's door to be a regular tenant.

Who else would? Samford has their own stadium and its more than enough to accommodate their crowds, same for Birmingham-Southern. Miles plays its big games at Legion Field (i.e. The Labor Day Classic and Tuskegee) but they have their own stadium thats about to be expanded after this upcoming season.

(02-24-2013 01:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't see anyone else beating down Legion Field's door to be a regular tenant.

He's got a point there!

(02-24-2013 05:42 PM)Matrix Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't see anyone else beating down Legion Field's door to be a regular tenant.

He's got a point there!

What point is that?

(02-24-2013 02:38 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I think he was saying that if Birmingham had a problem with what we paid in rent, they should either raise our rent or STFU.

I didn't read it as telling anyone here to.

Correct.

We have pointed out before how dependent Legion Field is on UAB for event placement each year. One Classic, one BBVA bowl game, one occasional "circus" and an occasional SWAC title game is about all on its other lists. Our only discussion has been over the size and included amenities we want in an OCS, not over wanting to have one at all (especially since the MPF @ the BJCC is not probable). The same NCAA recruiting restrictions that make use of Legion Field undesirable for UA & AU will apply as well to UAB when the OCS is in use, even if one ignores the other issues with the stadium.

All other local potential tenants are small private schools that are not ever likely to achieve the fan status to warrant the use of Legion Field since it is likely any potential D1 opponents they may schedule will only want them as "buy" home games (like Samford vs AU).

I still think the huge park land around Legion Field is a potentially good buy for UAB as additional campus property since they are so close geographically. UAB may not need it if it is to always be the "little sister" in the UA System, but I believe we will decide to be more than that in the next decades. I believe the 21st century is the coming "Age of the Urban Universities" all across America.

(02-24-2013 05:55 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 05:42 PM)Matrix Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't see anyone else beating down Legion Field's door to be a regular tenant.

He's got a point there!

What point is that?

There doesn't seem to be many "new tenants with a greater sense of appreciation" on the horizon.

(02-24-2013 06:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 05:55 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 05:42 PM)Matrix Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't see anyone else beating down Legion Field's door to be a regular tenant.

He's got a point there!

What point is that?

There doesn't seem to be many "new tenants with a greater sense of appreciation" on the horizon.

That was my original point, beggars can't be choosers, no matter who's doing the begging.

You seemed to be suggesting that Birmingham was doing UAB a favor by letting us play at Legion Field, and that UAB was somehow taking advantage of their kindness.

I made two counter points:

1. UAB is a paying tenant.

2. Birmingham doesn't have a long list of alternative tenants.

(02-24-2013 07:02 PM)Smaug Wrote:  You seemed to be suggesting that Birmingham was doing UAB a favor by letting us play at Legion Field, and that UAB was somehow taking advantage of their kindness.

I made two counter points:

1. UAB is a paying tenant.

2. Birmingham doesn't have a long list of alternative tenants.

1. Paying doesn't equal profitable, if one does something for pay and doesn't realize a profit, yet they continue to do it, what is that called? Charity? It really doesn't matter what it's called but I would vote for favor, at least it implies a future return.

2. UAB's alternatives are? Seems to be a codependent relationship.

(02-24-2013 07:02 PM)Smaug Wrote:  You seemed to be suggesting that Birmingham was doing UAB a favor by letting us play at Legion Field, and that UAB was somehow taking advantage of their kindness.

I made two counter points:

1. UAB is a paying tenant.

2. Birmingham doesn't have a long list of alternative tenants.

I think the favor is on both sides. UAB really doesn't have anywhere else to play besides Legion Field and Legion Field doesn't have a full-time tenant outside of UAB.

(02-24-2013 07:12 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 07:02 PM)Smaug Wrote:  You seemed to be suggesting that Birmingham was doing UAB a favor by letting us play at Legion Field, and that UAB was somehow taking advantage of their kindness.

I made two counter points:

1. UAB is a paying tenant.

2. Birmingham doesn't have a long list of alternative tenants.

1. Paying doesn't equal profitable, if one does something for pay and doesn't realize a profit, yet they continue to do it, what is that called? Charity? It really doesn't matter what it's called but I would vote for favor, at least it implies a future return.

2. UAB's alternatives are? Seems to be a codependent relationship.

1. If Birmingham feels ill-used by UAB, they should say so.

2. I don't believe I suggested otherwise.

(02-24-2013 07:23 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 07:12 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 07:02 PM)Smaug Wrote:  You seemed to be suggesting that Birmingham was doing UAB a favor by letting us play at Legion Field, and that UAB was somehow taking advantage of their kindness.

I made two counter points:

1. UAB is a paying tenant.

2. Birmingham doesn't have a long list of alternative tenants.

1. Paying doesn't equal profitable, if one does something for pay and doesn't realize a profit, yet they continue to do it, what is that called? Charity? It really doesn't matter what it's called but I would vote for favor, at least it implies a future return.

2. UAB's alternatives are? Seems to be a codependent relationship.

1. If Birmingham feels ill-used by UAB, they should say so.

2. I don't believe I suggested otherwise.

1. How does my opinion equate to Birmingham's feelings?
2. I didn't suggest that UAB wasn't a paying tenant but that didn't stop you from assuming it. As a matter of fact my original post was more concerning the slanderous representation on the neighborhood and it's citizens than UAB or the city.

(02-24-2013 08:19 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 07:23 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 07:12 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 07:02 PM)Smaug Wrote:  You seemed to be suggesting that Birmingham was doing UAB a favor by letting us play at Legion Field, and that UAB was somehow taking advantage of their kindness.

I made two counter points:

1. UAB is a paying tenant.

2. Birmingham doesn't have a long list of alternative tenants.

1. Paying doesn't equal profitable, if one does something for pay and doesn't realize a profit, yet they continue to do it, what is that called? Charity? It really doesn't matter what it's called but I would vote for favor, at least it implies a future return.

2. UAB's alternatives are? Seems to be a codependent relationship.

1. If Birmingham feels ill-used by UAB, they should say so.

2. I don't believe I suggested otherwise.

1. How does my opinion equate to Birmingham's feelings?
2. I didn't suggest that UAB wasn't a paying tenant but that didn't stop you from assuming it. As a matter of fact my original post was more concerning the slanderous representation on the neighborhood and it's citizens than UAB or the city.

1. I don't know what that means.

2. Likening UAB to a (your words) "disgruntled homeless guest" might have led me to assume that, yes. As far as Legion Field's condition and environs, I suggest scrolling back up to post #16 in this thread for my opinion on the subject.

(02-24-2013 08:37 PM)BlazerFromMD Wrote:  

My thoughts exactly

(02-24-2013 01:43 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:23 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:09 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 10:11 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 05:59 PM)Matrix Wrote:  

UAB is like a disgruntled homeless guest, you give them a place to stay and they ***** about the condition of your house, the quality of your neighbors, and the accessibility of your driveway. All the while talking about their dream house, one that their parents won't allow them to build. What if a new tenant moved in with a greater sense of appreciation, the ability to generate more revenue, pays their fair share of the bills, and UAB was asked to vacate the basement?

Legion field isn't any more dangerous than Cullman, Jasper, or Trussville, all places that were considered dangerous by a lot of black people when I was growing up.

Um, UAB is a paying tenant, that doesn't get priority scheduling.

What is the current rent for UAB? What was it in the beginning? How many tickets does Birmingham purchase? What is the economic impact for surrounding area, when it comes to UAB games? What is the cost of hosting a game versus the revenue generated? Just because you pay rent to a landlord doesn't necessarily mean the rent covers the mortgage, utilities, and cost of maintenance. One could make a legitimate argument that UAB is more of a liability to LF and the surrounding neighborhood than an asset. By the way, I didn't say UAB doesn't pay rent, I used "like" refer to English 101.

If its an issue then either charge us more rent or STFU. I think you vastly underestimate the value of UAB playing games in Birmingham.

UAB pays 10 percent of the gate or a minimun of $10,000 per game. Remember UABs yearly gate is under 600,000. The City of Birmingham buys $200,000 worth of this.

In return they furnish park board employees, lights, supplies and some security personal (police) and time during week preparing stadium. IMO they lose money on each game (not counting tickets bought) but the city does so because they seem to recognize the value of UAB playing games in Birmingham.