(02-13-2013 12:12 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:53 PM)nert Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:42 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:29 PM)nert Wrote:  You're assuming that the offer per year would be anywhere near the same if it were for a shorter term - or that the offer would exist at all if it isn't for 6 years.

If there are no other offers (or none near this dollar amount) they really wouldn't have a lot of options.

That dollar amount is trash. If it's going to be trash no matter what just let it be a little trashier and be shorter. I'd rather take 10 million a year for 2 or 3 years than 20 for 6.

I agree with that.

And if NBC walks, you take what ESPN offers out of the goodness of its heart? No thanks. I'm just pointing out that there may be no interest on NBC's part to make any short term contract - at which point the BigEast 3.0 would be really really screwed. The topic may have already been discussed and rejected by NBC.

Well, now that Ive ranted a bit, we probably should wait and see what the details are. The deal may have provisions that allow us to sell unused inventory like the MW/CBS-Sports deal does. If thats the case, there may be a little more revenue available. Also, im much more willing to deal with the crappy income if all the games are on TV and we get good weekley exposure on NBC-OTA. However, if its virtually all NBC-Sports and only a few games a week are even available on television---then this is would be a disaster.

Yeah the last thing to hold out hope for is the amount of games on TV and if there are any provisions for a set number of games on NBC OTA. The money is horrendous, that's been settled Aresco completely failed in that area, but did he at least succeed in getting the league as much exposure as possible? I suspect he didn't since he failed this badly at the dollar amount, but I guess we need to see the terms of deal first before we can completely determine the amount of his failure.

I have to agree with the poster who felt sorry for USF, UCONN and Cincinnati. They are the ones who are hurt by this amount. The rest: it's still an improvement, albeit a slight one that doesn't begin to pay off, given the entrance fee, for two and half years, and barely covers your exit fees.

I'm sorry to see this level of contract for the nBe, actually. If you look objectively at the league, it's a competitive league in football and a pretty good conference in basketball that probably deserves more than $20 million. For C-USA and other Go5 fans out there, this doesn't bode well for any of us, imo.

(02-12-2013 10:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:56 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't see why you would lock that deal up multi-year. There's no reason to do that.

I'd go year to year.

You would need NBC to agree to that, which seems unlikely.

Without a dance partner, there is no dance.

(02-12-2013 11:30 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I wonder if what has happened is NBC has told the BE that they will do this now, then after the 1st 2 year look-in clause really bump up the money, when they can do so w/o the threat of ESPN.

I doubt it. NBC has a history of promising alot and delievering very little. If its not in writing, it doesnt happen. Unless the look ins are tied to some concrete index, they will not result in increases. The MW had lookins and they never got one extra dime.

NBC/Comcast was a horrible TV partner when they had a part of the mWc deal. They refused to reopen the deal at all and help the MWC try and keep BYU with some small concessions like letting BYU rebroadcast games after the live event. They would not even do that to help a partner.

NBC/Comcast helped rip up the MWC. May they rot in hell

Billings, you are a good poster but I think emotion got the better of you on this one. MWC did not read the contract they signed and neither did MWC hire a tv consultant in negotiating the contract. I also believe but am not sure that MWC Commissioner Thompson recommended not to accept that contract. Two years after the contract was signed, BYU and Utah hired a known sports attorney out of Los Angeles and I believe that was the first time the MWC tv contract was fully read by a professional and understood. Yes, the MWC was bad--but it was MWC's fault for signing a contract it had not even read.

NBC treats Notre Dame just fine. They pay the Irish $15 million a year for its home games until 2015. They are negotiating the renewal right now.

It will be interesting to see what the new $$$ number is for the new deal. I have heard of estimates between $20-25 million, maybe more.

NBC takes too many commercial breaks, their announcers (other than Mike Mayock) have generally sucked and their promotion and production could be better.

But they provide a good OTA platform and payout. NBC has been a good TV partner for ND football since 1991.

Also, NBC Sports has signed a contract to televise all ND home hockey games.

NBC is looking for content for NBC Sports. They are trying to beef up that channel. They want to move one ND home football game per year there.

So, I think that the much of the Big East's proposed inventory will go on the cable/satellite NBC Sports channel as well.

There may be a BE Game of the Week on NBC OTA along with the ND games.

For $20m ESPN will exercise their RFR. The only concern would be if NBC has OTA games in their proposal. ESPN would need to get ABC to agree to that.

Wasn't the original EPSN offer higher? Or was that prior to the C7 announced their departure?

(02-13-2013 08:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  NBC treats Notre Dame just fine. They pay the Irish $15 million a year for its home games until 2015. They are negotiating the renewal right now.

It will be interesting to see what the new $$$ number is for the new deal. I have heard of estimates between $20-25 million, maybe more.

NBC has been a good TV partner for ND football since 1991.

NBC takes too many commercial breaks, their announcers (other than Mike Mayock) have generally sucked but they provide a good OTA platform and payout.

Also, NBC Sports has signed a contract to televise all ND home hockey games.

NBC is looking for content for NBC Sports. They are trying to beef up that channel. They want to move one ND game per year there.

So, I think that the much of the Big East's proposed inventory will go on the cable/satellite NBC Sports channel as well.

There may be a BE Game of the Week on NBC OTA along with the ND games.

That's the only hope to make this deal even semi-acceptable. At least then Aresco could argue (although I wouldn't buy it) that we took an offer with less value because it offered far greater exposure. If there's no language guaranteeing a certain number of games on NBC OTA then this deal reeks to high heaven and the league will be dead as soon as exit fee money dries up if not sooner.

It feels like deja vu. The BE negotiating right after they are raided and their value in the toilet. I think they will prove that $20 mill is a steal a few years into the contract if every team stays.

If UC does not get into another conference in the next few years, I fear they will be stuck with the Gof5 forever.

(02-13-2013 08:13 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  NBC treats Notre Dame just fine. They pay the Irish $15 million a year for its home games until 2015. They are negotiating the renewal right now.

It will be interesting to see what the new $$$ number is for the new deal. I have heard of estimates between $20-25 million, maybe more.

NBC has been a good TV partner for ND football since 1991.

NBC takes too many commercial breaks, their announcers (other than Mike Mayock) have generally sucked but they provide a good OTA platform and payout.

Also, NBC Sports has signed a contract to televise all ND home hockey games.

NBC is looking for content for NBC Sports. They are trying to beef up that channel. They want to move one ND game per year there.

So, I think that the much of the Big East's proposed inventory will go on the cable/satellite NBC Sports channel as well.

There may be a BE Game of the Week on NBC OTA along with the ND games.

That's the only hope to make this deal even semi-acceptable. At least then Aresco could argue (although I wouldn't buy it) that we took an offer with less value because it offered far greater exposure. If there's no language guaranteeing a certain number of games on NBC OTA then this deal reeks to high heaven and the league will be dead as soon as exit fee money dries up if not sooner.

Honestly, without at least weekly exposure on NBC-OTA I doubt the Houston administration can sell paying an exit fee and an entry fee to play the same CUSA teams we used to play with virtually the same or worse coverage (CBS-Sports/Fox vs NBC-Sports) for virtually the same money (1.2 million vs 1.66 million). At the very least I expect Cinci, UConn, and Memphis (if they can) to bolt for the C7 and place football in nBE, MAC, MW, or CUSA. Navy will stay put as they have better coverage and make more under thier current CBS contract.

Lol...If that happens I suspect Renu will finally give up this silly charade and move to a conference that's actually different from the one we left.

Got to be very dissappointing to the CUSA schools. They are getting 500k more a year instead of the $5-$10 million more they were expecting.

Lends more support to the CUSA/MWC merger idea. Group together for TV contract purposes instead of trying to separate yourself from the rest of G5. MAC/MWC/BE should work together to sync the expiration of their TV contracts. They would be 3 12-14 team conferences covering the entire country without having every school traverse the entire country. Do some scheduling agreements to link them together. But nothing substantive can be done until the MWC's current deal goes away.

(02-13-2013 08:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:13 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  NBC treats Notre Dame just fine. They pay the Irish $15 million a year for its home games until 2015. They are negotiating the renewal right now.

It will be interesting to see what the new $$$ number is for the new deal. I have heard of estimates between $20-25 million, maybe more.

NBC has been a good TV partner for ND football since 1991.

NBC takes too many commercial breaks, their announcers (other than Mike Mayock) have generally sucked but they provide a good OTA platform and payout.

Also, NBC Sports has signed a contract to televise all ND home hockey games.

NBC is looking for content for NBC Sports. They are trying to beef up that channel. They want to move one ND game per year there.

So, I think that the much of the Big East's proposed inventory will go on the cable/satellite NBC Sports channel as well.

There may be a BE Game of the Week on NBC OTA along with the ND games.

That's the only hope to make this deal even semi-acceptable. At least then Aresco could argue (although I wouldn't buy it) that we took an offer with less value because it offered far greater exposure. If there's no language guaranteeing a certain number of games on NBC OTA then this deal reeks to high heaven and the league will be dead as soon as exit fee money dries up if not sooner.

Honestly, without at least weekly exposure on NBC-OTA I doubt the Houston administration can sell paying an exit fee and an entry fee to play the same CUSA teams we used to play with virtually the same or worse coverage (CBS-Sports/Fox vs NBC-Sports) for virtually the same money (1.2 million vs 1.66 million). At the very least I expect Cinci, UConn, and Memphis (if they can) to bolt for the C7 and place football in nBE, MAC, MW, or CUSA. Navy will stay put as they have better coverage and make more under thier current CBS contract.

Lol...If that happens I suspect Renu will finally give up this silly charade and move to a conference that's actually different from the one we left.

There's no reason at this point for the Big East to let any team play football only, since the value of their buyout is worth more than they bring to the TV deal. Any team that wants to leave can cut the check and go. The exit fee/tournament credit war chest might be the thing that keeps the league afloat. I expect that those could probably keep the old members making the same or more money throughout the life of this horrific TV deal. Maybe that's Aresco's hope, to use the blood money to ride out the horrible TV deal and hope that every outside source isn't working against the league next time.

(02-13-2013 02:09 AM)eaglerock Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 01:36 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Wow, this sucks. I feel bad for UCONN and UC, USF.

How the hell will those schools pay for their million dollar coaches?

Boo Hoo Hoo, they will have to learn to spend wisely facing the reduction in television revenue or raise more money from other sources. Really, this isn't like they were getting Big 5 money and downgraded. What was the BE paying from television 5 - 6 million? So they will lose 4 mill per year. On a 60 - 70 million budget, it isn't like that is the end of the world. Time to cut some fat.

Our football coach and basketball coaches combined salaries will be more than double what we get from this new TV deal...

(02-13-2013 08:05 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  For $20m ESPN will exercise their RFR. The only concern would be if NBC has OTA games in their proposal. ESPN would need to get ABC to agree to that.

Wasn't the original EPSN offer higher? Or was that prior to the C7 announced their departure?

I guess one could hope that ESPN steps in and takes over. What is the lesser of two evils in this scenario?

(02-13-2013 08:39 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:05 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  For $20m ESPN will exercise their RFR. The only concern would be if NBC has OTA games in their proposal. ESPN would need to get ABC to agree to that.

Wasn't the original EPSN offer higher? Or was that prior to the C7 announced their departure?

I guess one could hope that ESPN steps in and takes over. What is the lesser of two evils in this scenario?

ESPN at that price would dump us on midweeks, ESPNU, and ESPN3 and would absolutely refuse to sell any unused games. As low as I think of NBCSN, at least I do believe they show games on Saturdays in at least decent time slots. We'd be MAC filler to ESPN.

(02-13-2013 08:38 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 02:09 AM)eaglerock Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 01:36 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Wow, this sucks. I feel bad for UCONN and UC, USF.

How the hell will those schools pay for their million dollar coaches?

Boo Hoo Hoo, they will have to learn to spend wisely facing the reduction in television revenue or raise more money from other sources. Really, this isn't like they were getting Big 5 money and downgraded. What was the BE paying from television 5 - 6 million? So they will lose 4 mill per year. On a 60 - 70 million budget, it isn't like that is the end of the world. Time to cut some fat.

Our football coach and basketball coaches combined salaries will be more than double what we get from this new TV deal...

As long as osu keeps paying Uc $1,000,000 each time we are scheduled to play them to get out of playing us, we will be fine.

The osu game is worth 50% of our tv contract. That is sickening.

CUSA now has the open track with ESPN and FOX. No way are ESPN and FOX going to buy hand me down second choice Nbe games from NBC.

What I find really troubling is who is going to buy these games from NBC? And which Nbe schools are going to be featured? UConn? Cincy? USF? UCF?

Will any network step forward and buy Tulane, Memphis, Houston, and SMU games to telecast in Southwest?

Tulsa had 13 games telecast by ESPN and FOX last season. My guess is TU would never receive this fine exposure with Nbe.

Tulsa should stay in Nbe, and with its stability and the fact CUSA has added some fine schools and tv markets, CUSA should be in great shape when its TV contract comes up for renewal in a few years.

(02-13-2013 09:00 AM)ucnaticat Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:38 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 02:09 AM)eaglerock Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 01:36 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Wow, this sucks. I feel bad for UCONN and UC, USF.

How the hell will those schools pay for their million dollar coaches?

Boo Hoo Hoo, they will have to learn to spend wisely facing the reduction in television revenue or raise more money from other sources. Really, this isn't like they were getting Big 5 money and downgraded. What was the BE paying from television 5 - 6 million? So they will lose 4 mill per year. On a 60 - 70 million budget, it isn't like that is the end of the world. Time to cut some fat.

Our football coach and basketball coaches combined salaries will be more than double what we get from this new TV deal...

As long as osu keeps paying Uc $1,000,000 each time we are scheduled to play them to get out of playing us, we will be fine.

The osu game is worth 50% of our tv contract. That is sickening.

ECU made $1M for their game versus VT back in 2008. I believe the same for the South Carolina game.

I still don't see this as a good thing for GOF. The better schools will lose home games in oddly sided series. The P5 will try to schedule the weaker teams versus the better, hurting our strength of schedule compared to previous year's OOC games. The only way to bring it up would be to try to do the same and not schedule FCS.

(02-13-2013 07:59 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:30 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I wonder if what has happened is NBC has told the BE that they will do this now, then after the 1st 2 year look-in clause really bump up the money, when they can do so w/o the threat of ESPN.

I doubt it. NBC has a history of promising alot and delievering very little. If its not in writing, it doesnt happen. Unless the look ins are tied to some concrete index, they will not result in increases. The MW had lookins and they never got one extra dime.

NBC/Comcast was a horrible TV partner when they had a part of the mWc deal. They refused to reopen the deal at all and help the MWC try and keep BYU with some small concessions like letting BYU rebroadcast games after the live event. They would not even do that to help a partner.

NBC/Comcast helped rip up the MWC. May they rot in hell

Billings, you are a good poster but I think emotion got the better of you on this one. MWC did not read the contract they signed and neither did MWC hire a tv consultant in negotiating the contract. I also believe but am not sure that MWC Commissioner Thompson recommended not to accept that contract. Two years after the contract was signed, BYU and Utah hired a known sports attorney out of Los Angeles and I believe that was the first time the MWC tv contract was fully read by a professional and understood. Yes, the MWC was bad--but it was MWC's fault for signing a contract it had not even read.

next you're going to suggest we shouldn't pass legislation that our lawmakers haven't read - you radical!

i hope our a.d. has a plan to get us out of this.

something along the lines of hand painted signs on every overpass:

"memphis basketball for sale to the highest bidder...but you have to take our football team too (please)"

I really do hope Louisville can get out for the 2013 season. I'd like to see Jurich and Dr. Ramsey file a lawsuit against the Big East to claim damages. Playing in that conference with that deal with those God awful teams is simply detrimental to the program. Our SOS alone will be enough to keep us out of the title game, even with an undefeated season (which won't be too difficult IMHO). Just having "Big East" next to our name kills our perception. It's not like the conference can afford decent lawyers at this point.

Maybe Swofford can get us some sort of scheduling deal with some ACC schools or something and buy out their OOC FCS opponents. Anything. Jesus. Just end it already.