(02-13-2013 10:05 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Can the BE even get the Liberty for its champions bowl? Where does Conf USA send their champ now?

Liberty until after this coming season. Rumor is that Liberty is angling to be Big XII vs. SEC or ACC vs. SEC.

Independence is hoping to get through some sort of hotel tax that will allow them to keep ACC vs. SEC and move up the pick order or add Big XII.

Strictly in the gossip stage at this point but the New Orleans Bowl is supposedly wanting to drop C-USA and get Big East due to the proximity of Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis.

(02-13-2013 09:19 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:14 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  They'll probably keep the Belk and Beef O' Bradys bowls. Russell Athletic and Pinstripe are as good as gone, along with the BCS game although that's understandable.

1. Belk vs a downgraded ACC team.
2. St Pete versus CUSA
3. Liberty (vs CUSA since SEC won't be able to provide a team)
4. Military vs MAC
5. Independence vs CUSA or SBC.

1/2. Belk
1/2. Liberty
3. Independence
4. Military
5. St Pete
6. Armed Forces (Fort Worth)

Big 12 wants a Florida bowl game so maybe we get the Gator or Russell bowl.

http://lubbockonline.com/filed-online/20...Ru01mdkiSo

Quote:Another priority for the Big 12 is getting a tie-in with one of the Florida bowls. Bowlsby said the league has had conversations with Gator Bowl officials and two other bowls in Florida.

"California, Florida, and Texas comprise more recruits than the whole rest of the country combined," Bowlsby said. "That's been a shortcoming of our bowl lineup in the past, and we need to fix it if we can."

(02-13-2013 10:48 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  Big 12 wants a Florida bowl game so maybe we get the Gator or Russell bowl.

http://lubbockonline.com/filed-online/20...Ru01mdkiSo

Quote:Another priority for the Big 12 is getting a tie-in with one of the Florida bowls. Bowlsby said the league has had conversations with Gator Bowl officials and two other bowls in Florida.

"California, Florida, and Texas comprise more recruits than the whole rest of the country combined," Bowlsby said. "That's been a shortcoming of our bowl lineup in the past, and we need to fix it if we can."

We'll see what happens. The new format is going to be a big reshuffling of everything.

(02-12-2013 10:17 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Champs and Belk are almost certainly gone for the BE.

Agree, I think Champs is 30% right now. We may hold one of these, we won't keep both.

(02-13-2013 10:48 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  Big 12 wants a Florida bowl game so maybe we get the Gator or Russell bowl.

http://lubbockonline.com/filed-online/20...Ru01mdkiSo

Quote:Another priority for the Big 12 is getting a tie-in with one of the Florida bowls. Bowlsby said the league has had conversations with Gator Bowl officials and two other bowls in Florida.

"California, Florida, and Texas comprise more recruits than the whole rest of the country combined," Bowlsby said. "That's been a shortcoming of our bowl lineup in the past, and we need to fix it if we can."

I'd pass on the Gator Bowl. Jacksonville is boring as hell...

(02-13-2013 10:05 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Can the BE even get the Liberty for its champions bowl? Where does Conf USA send their champ now?

I think the Aresco League can get the Liberty Bowl, probably for their champion. It's usually where C-USA's champion goes, it's pretty close to MEmphis (duh), Tulane, SMU, Houston and Cincy. It has history.

I was thinking that Liberty becomes a Big 12-SEC matchup, but I don't think the Big 12 likes Memphis enough to use a slot.

So probably
Memphis vs SEC 8/9/10
Military vs low ACC
And some other ones against MWC, CUSA, SBC and MAC.

(02-13-2013 10:10 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:05 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Can the BE even get the Liberty for its champions bowl? Where does Conf USA send their champ now?

Liberty until after this coming season. Rumor is that Liberty is angling to be Big XII vs. SEC or ACC vs. SEC.

Independence is hoping to get through some sort of hotel tax that will allow them to keep ACC vs. SEC and move up the pick order or add Big XII.

Strictly in the gossip stage at this point but the New Orleans Bowl is supposedly wanting to drop C-USA and get Big East due to the proximity of Tulane, Houston, SMU, and Memphis.

Good info and make a lot of sense! Thanks for posting!

UCF/USF should be enough to keep a Florida bowl as moist likely one of them will be Bowl Eligible.

Liberty, considering it has a three way deal with the SEC, BE, and CUSA at this point could maintain that same relationship as most of the CUSA offerings have come out of those who moved to the BE. And if they keep CUSA in the mix then you have the CUSA leftover versus old CUSA team rivalry to market.

Belk Bowl will be interesting. ACC vs ECU/BE, Marshall/CUSA, ODU/CUSA, and/or Charlotte/CUSA They could possibly work out a 3 way deal too if they care about gate receipts.

Not so sure how SEC would fit in with the Belk Bowl in regards to close by teams to play whomever. That said, the ECU/So Car (SEC) game had good attendance so they could maybe work out a possible 4 way deal. Or not take the CUSA angle and do a rotation of ACC/SEC/BE.

USF/UCF aren't what would interest Florida Citrus Sports, who runs the Capital One and Russell Athletic Bowls. FCS is more interested in driving tourists to Orlando and getting them to stay in the area's hotels. UCF/USF (if they ever got invited) wouldn't accomplish that as few of those teams' fans would bother getting a hotel room for the night, let alone plan a longer trip around the bowl to the theme parks.

As for the the CUSA champ, they will likely go to the Heart of Dallas Bowl to play either the XII or B1G every year. CUSA chairman Britton Banowsky controls the group who runs that bowl game.

Combine that with the fact that the ACC wants nothing to do with the BE (aside from poaching their schools) and I doubt the BE gets the Belk either. The Pinstripe was started by the BE, mostly because of Rutgers and Syracuse, but now both of those are gone - and the Pinstripe could very well go with them and become ACC vs B1G.

(02-13-2013 11:15 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  UCF/USF should be enough to keep a Florida bowl as moist likely one of them will be Bowl Eligible.

Liberty, considering it has a three way deal with the SEC, BE, and CUSA at this point could maintain that same relationship as most of the CUSA offerings have come out of those who moved to the BE. And if they keep CUSA in the mix then you have the CUSA leftover versus old CUSA team rivalry to market.

Belk Bowl will be interesting. ACC vs ECU/BE, Marshall/CUSA, ODU/CUSA, and/or Charlotte/CUSA They could possibly work out a 3 way deal too if they care about gate receipts.

Not so sure how SEC would fit in with the Belk Bowl in regards to close by teams to play whomever. That said, the ECU/So Car (SEC) game had good attendance so they could maybe work out a possible 4 way deal. Or not take the CUSA angle and do a rotation of ACC/SEC/BE.

SEC would have Georgia, SC, Florida, Tennessee, VAnderbilt and Kentucky within reasonable distance of Charlotte. IF they want the Charlotte bowl vs the ACC, they get it. (Of course, I figure if the SEC wants any given bowl, they get it until they run out of picks.)

I would expect Beef O'Brady to be Big East vs. CUSA in the next alignment.

Liberty is a pipe dream. AutoZone was big on the CUSA opt-out provision. They want names. SEC has moved them down the pick order because of the CUSA tie. It will be an all contract-league game.

(02-13-2013 11:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I would expect Beef O'Brady to be Big East vs. CUSA in the next alignment.

Liberty is a pipe dream. AutoZone was big on the CUSA opt-out provision. They want names. SEC has moved them down the pick order because of the CUSA tie. It will be an all contract-league game.

I don't think Liberty will get two power conferences to bite. The SEC will send a leftover team, probably their last guarantee or close to it. The ACC will probably have enough slots available, but I think the SEC will say "enough SEC-ACC games" after one in Florida, one in Charlotte, one in Nashville and sometimes the Orange Bowl. The PAC might have a slot available, and might not have any better ideas than Memphis vs the SEC.

The Liberty Bowl is in an old stadium, and I think the power conferences will go with NFL stadiums first, and then nearby stadiums. So the Big 12 will play an SEC team in Houston or San Antonio instead of Memphis, and put their last decent pick in the Heart of Dallas (old Cotton) bowl vs CUSA.

The power leagues have shown little inclination to play bowls against the non-AQ.

(02-13-2013 12:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The power leagues have shown little inclination to play bowls against the non-AQ.

The SEC has been the only real hardliner about it. The others play at least one. Big Ten plays MAC, PAC plays a couple, but some of that is geography.

I think you'll see fewer power-conference vs lower-FBS bowls, but you run out of power-conference dance partners eventually. I figure that the power conferences each end up with a bowl or two that's in the middle of their footprint where their last decent pick plays a local lower-FBS team because they can't convince another power conference to come play there. SEC in MEmphis vs NBE, Big 12 in the old Cotton Bowl vs CUSA, ACC in the Military Bowl vs NBE, Big Ten in Detroit vs MAC, PAC in Vegas and Hawaii vs MWC.