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Quote:1. The departing Big East 7 are still negotiating their exit from the Big East and are far from finalizing a date to withdraw (although the exit is likely for the fall of 2014). The league still needs to lock in on a television partner (Fox, according to sources, the leader in the clubhouse) and a commissioner. But a number of sources have made valid points for additional schools the Big East 7 will go after, with the consensus being Butler and Xavier to get to nine. The 10th spot has interesting candidates, and while I have heard strong Richmond arguments for that spot, the Spiders may end up being more of an 11th or 12th member if the league decides to go that far. There is a definitely a push in one key corner of the seven to add Creighton because of the Bluejays passion for hoops, their facilities and following. I continue to hear conflicting opinions about whether or not distance matters in this new league. What isn't negotiable is the 7 want/need the schools to be all in for basketball. If that's the case then considering Gonzaga isn't out. This league has to be smart about its moves, and if Creighton is in the mix it would be a wise choice.

I think Richmond, Dayton, St. Louis, Creighton, Butler, and Xavier make MUCH more sense than adding Gonzaga. The Zags are awesome right now but what happens if they go into a slump?

Gonzaga has been good for more than a decade now but don't mind at all if Creighton is #10

I bet Dayton is panicking right now.

If the C-7 goes to 12 without UD, they're nuts. Dayton would have the highest average attendance in the C-7++ outside of Marquette and Creighton, and the highest endowment outside of Georgetown.

How about 20 years. In those 20 years, no losing years, and only 1 year with RPI higher than 90.

(02-08-2013 09:56 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I bet Dayton is panicking right now.

If the C-7 goes to 12 without UD, they're nuts. Dayton would have the highest average attendance in the C-7++ outside of Marquette and Creighton, and the highest endowment outside of Georgetown.

Agreed. In long term history, Dayton is the best school out there.

So nothing new except Richmond is now confirmed to be a candidate

(02-08-2013 09:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  How about 20 years. In those 20 years, no losing years, and only 1 year with RPI higher than 90.

The Zags have been awesome. However your decision needs to be based on the NEXT 50 years and not the past 20. Few will likely be around a while but what happens after him? What if they make a bad hire? That is a ton of travel cost to incur for a league with outposts in Providence, NYC, DC, and Philly.

If the Zags were located further east they'd be the top pick but they aren't.

(02-08-2013 10:03 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  So nothing new except Richmond is now confirmed to be a candidate

Georgetown is rumored to be pulling hard for the Spiders to be invited.

the problem is Richmond, Dayton, and SLU don't have anywhere near the basketball chops that Gonzaga has. They would dream of having the success that Gonzaga has had.

(02-08-2013 10:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem is Richmond, Dayton, and SLU don't have anywhere near the basketball chops that Gonzaga has. They would dream of having the success that Gonzaga has had.

True but you also have to account for the possibility that over the next few decades you might not have a 3+ million payout to eat the travel cost of going to Spokane on a regular basis. Mediums and payouts change.

So my point is take the B+ program that has zero risk and is quality in it's own right instead of taking the A+ located so far away it could cost you financially down the road.

(02-08-2013 10:11 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem is Richmond, Dayton, and SLU don't have anywhere near the basketball chops that Gonzaga has. They would dream of having the success that Gonzaga has had.

True but you also have to account for the possibility that over the next few decades you might not have a 3+ million payout to eat the travel cost of going to Spokane on a regular basis. Mediums and payouts change.

So my point is take the B+ program that has zero risk and is quality in it's own right instead of taking the A+ located so far away it could cost you financially down the road.

If Richmond/Dayton/SLU were B+ programs, then yes they would be no-brainers. The problem is, they are more like C+ to C programs.

(02-08-2013 10:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem is Richmond, Dayton, and SLU don't have anywhere near the basketball chops that Gonzaga has. They would dream of having the success that Gonzaga has had.

Dayton has had 12 losing seasons since 1948. 9 were in a 12 year stretch starting mid-80s. Other than that 3 in 52 years. They have 2 NIT titles and were runnerup 5 times (most of those when it really meant something) and lost in the NCAA finals to one of Wooden's teams. They've had 20 win seasons 10 of the last 14 years in much tougher conferences than Gonzaga. Gonzaga would love to have Dayton's history.

(02-08-2013 10:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:11 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem is Richmond, Dayton, and SLU don't have anywhere near the basketball chops that Gonzaga has. They would dream of having the success that Gonzaga has had.

True but you also have to account for the possibility that over the next few decades you might not have a 3+ million payout to eat the travel cost of going to Spokane on a regular basis. Mediums and payouts change.

So my point is take the B+ program that has zero risk and is quality in it's own right instead of taking the A+ located so far away it could cost you financially down the road.

If Richmond/Dayton/SLU were B+ programs, then yes they would be no-brainers. The problem is, they are more like C+ to C programs.

Gonzaga has only made the sweet 16 5 times, just two more than Richmond.

Dayton has been to the tourney 7 times in the last 45 years, with wins in only 3 of those years. Gonzaga has been there 14 straight years, winning in 11 of those years.

(02-08-2013 10:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:11 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem is Richmond, Dayton, and SLU don't have anywhere near the basketball chops that Gonzaga has. They would dream of having the success that Gonzaga has had.

True but you also have to account for the possibility that over the next few decades you might not have a 3+ million payout to eat the travel cost of going to Spokane on a regular basis. Mediums and payouts change.

So my point is take the B+ program that has zero risk and is quality in it's own right instead of taking the A+ located so far away it could cost you financially down the road.

If Richmond/Dayton/SLU were B+ programs, then yes they would be no-brainers. The problem is, they are more like C+ to C programs.

Gonzaga has only made the sweet 16 5 times, just two more than Richmond.

Richmond has made the tourney only 9 times, 5 of the times as an auto bid in a 1 bid conference. That's not a B+ program.

(02-08-2013 10:07 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:03 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  So nothing new except Richmond is now confirmed to be a candidate

Georgetown is rumored to be pulling hard for the Spiders to be invited.

not shocked at all that the #1 academic C7 school would pull for another academic powerhouse in a large market. UR has a decent hoops history and would help solidify a presence in a large, growing state. They fit the insitutional profile MUCH better than VCU..

creighton and richmond?
blah

Wouldn't adding Gonzaga to the C7, be the same silly decision as adding Boise State the BE?

If your gonna bring in gonzaga, why not bring in BYU? Unless your going to 16, i' don't know why your bring in either. Also, don't know why you can't bring in a couple public school's, i would put VCU way over Richmond + like UMass.

14 members

E: Umass, Prov, St Johns, Seton Hall, Nova, Gtown, VCU
W: Depaul, Marquette, St Louis, Creighton, Butler, Xaiver, Dayton

In the era of super conference, i could see going to 16 with BYU in the west, than play a 14-4 schedule to ease travel. Of course, if there is any chance to get ND you do what they want. That would be a very strong conference with ND and byu, put nd in the east.