(02-04-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 01:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Plus I don't see ANY scenario where we take in Okie Lite.

WVU? Maybe, but probably only in a scenario where

1) we get one but not both our targets. Like if say UVA does go to the B1G and VT comes to us but none of the Carolina schools want to leave the ACC.

2) Nobody wants a little brother tagalong school so FSU and CU are out.

3) the GOR has some kind of major loophole/has ceased to exist.

Your scenario might be possible without getting around the grant of rights if the schools remaining in the Big 12 realized that they were not ever going to be able to build a viable bridge through expansion to West Virginia. They could simply vote to waive the GOR for the Mountaineers and let them go. Especially if they never take Cincinnati or Pitt, or Syracuse. Let's say the Big 12 decides to take Clemson & F.S.U. to get to 12 and yet they would still like to have Miami too. Instead of 13 they could take those three, let W.V.U. move to the SEC and the geography suddenly becomes a lot more manageable. The same is true if they took B.Y.U., and Boise. Colorado State brings a very nice market and a bridge to both.

Good point JR

And it may happen. I can't speak for the Eers but I think a good number of them would consider that a fair trade.

Only if WVU goes to the SEC. The ACC ain't worth it...

(02-04-2013 04:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 01:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Plus I don't see ANY scenario where we take in Okie Lite.

WVU? Maybe, but probably only in a scenario where

1) we get one but not both our targets. Like if say UVA does go to the B1G and VT comes to us but none of the Carolina schools want to leave the ACC.

2) Nobody wants a little brother tagalong school so FSU and CU are out.

3) the GOR has some kind of major loophole/has ceased to exist.

Your scenario might be possible without getting around the grant of rights if the schools remaining in the Big 12 realized that they were not ever going to be able to build a viable bridge through expansion to West Virginia. They could simply vote to waive the GOR for the Mountaineers and let them go. Especially if they never take Cincinnati or Pitt, or Syracuse. Let's say the Big 12 decides to take Clemson & F.S.U. to get to 12 and yet they would still like to have Miami too. Instead of 13 they could take those three, let W.V.U. move to the SEC and the geography suddenly becomes a lot more manageable. The same is true if they took B.Y.U., and Boise. Colorado State brings a very nice market and a bridge to both.

Good point JR

And it may happen. I can't speak for the Eers but I think a good number of them would consider that a fair trade.

Only if WVU goes to the SEC. The ACC ain't worth it...

That's isn't.

(02-01-2013 02:52 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 02:48 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:59 PM)94panther Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:37 PM)Villecard Wrote:  It seems that it is a forgone conclusion that if the B1G takes 2 from the ACC, the SEC, then Big 12 would follow. That very well could happen, but what if the ACC can regroup with the other 12 (with Louisville)? If the ACC television contract stayed the same, the team payout would be $20 million per team. Figure in ND's membership and that would increase a little. Thoughts?

Everyone forgets the Pac12 in expansion.
The food chain is: PAC/B10/SEC > ACC/B12 > BE/MWC > MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt, etc

Pac12 + 4 from B12= 16
B10 + 2 from ACC = 16
SEC + 2 from ACC = 16

B12 - 4 teams = 6 remaining
ACC - 4 teams = 10 remaining.
6 + 10 = 16 Simple.

1 correction: B10 + 2 from B12

Who? At most you get ONE longshot (KU) if Texoma goes west.... which also isn't happening.

KSU, ISU, BU, TCU, WVU... no shot at the B1G.

Iowa State is an AAU school so that would be in their favor Big 10 wise

(02-04-2013 04:25 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 02:52 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 02:48 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:59 PM)94panther Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:37 PM)Villecard Wrote:  It seems that it is a forgone conclusion that if the B1G takes 2 from the ACC, the SEC, then Big 12 would follow. That very well could happen, but what if the ACC can regroup with the other 12 (with Louisville)? If the ACC television contract stayed the same, the team payout would be $20 million per team. Figure in ND's membership and that would increase a little. Thoughts?

Everyone forgets the Pac12 in expansion.
The food chain is: PAC/B10/SEC > ACC/B12 > BE/MWC > MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt, etc

Pac12 + 4 from B12= 16
B10 + 2 from ACC = 16
SEC + 2 from ACC = 16

B12 - 4 teams = 6 remaining
ACC - 4 teams = 10 remaining.
6 + 10 = 16 Simple.

1 correction: B10 + 2 from B12

Who? At most you get ONE longshot (KU) if Texoma goes west.... which also isn't happening.

KSU, ISU, BU, TCU, WVU... no shot at the B1G.

Iowa State is an AAU school so that would be in their favor Big 10 wise

ISU is AAU but is in a small redundant market, offers no elite programs in football or mbb, and would not add as much as UConn. Yeah they are AAU but no real chance the B1G takes them.

(02-04-2013 12:19 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  KU, KSU, TT & TCU to PAC
OU & TU to B1G
OSU & WVU to SEC
ISU & BU to BE
ND & UCONN to ACC

For the last time, the PAC has made it clear they will not accept religiously affiliated schools (even if in name only) as it interferes with the mission of non-biased scientific research! TCU is no different than BYU or Baylor in that regard....

Actually they are but TCU isn't a research school in the same vein as the Pac 12 schools. TCU is nominally affiliated with the Disciples of Christ denomination. The make-up of Baylor's governing board was dictated by state law. They had to get the law change to reduce the number of board members that are controlled by the Texas stat Baptist convention. Everyone knows that BYU is completely controlled by the Mormons.

(02-04-2013 04:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 04:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 01:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Plus I don't see ANY scenario where we take in Okie Lite.

WVU? Maybe, but probably only in a scenario where

1) we get one but not both our targets. Like if say UVA does go to the B1G and VT comes to us but none of the Carolina schools want to leave the ACC.

2) Nobody wants a little brother tagalong school so FSU and CU are out.

3) the GOR has some kind of major loophole/has ceased to exist.

Your scenario might be possible without getting around the grant of rights if the schools remaining in the Big 12 realized that they were not ever going to be able to build a viable bridge through expansion to West Virginia. They could simply vote to waive the GOR for the Mountaineers and let them go. Especially if they never take Cincinnati or Pitt, or Syracuse. Let's say the Big 12 decides to take Clemson & F.S.U. to get to 12 and yet they would still like to have Miami too. Instead of 13 they could take those three, let W.V.U. move to the SEC and the geography suddenly becomes a lot more manageable. The same is true if they took B.Y.U., and Boise. Colorado State brings a very nice market and a bridge to both.

Good point JR

And it may happen. I can't speak for the Eers but I think a good number of them would consider that a fair trade.

Only if WVU goes to the SEC. The ACC ain't worth it...

That's isn't.

FYI: Ain't was added to the dictionary in 1778. It's considered a proper word these days...

On another note, languages tend to evolve, which is how Latin became the root of Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese. English has evolved considerably over the centuries as well, and ain't is part of that evolution...

(02-03-2013 07:54 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:39 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  The Final 16 team conference will prob be leftovers from the ACC/Big XII. Whether that league will named the ACC or Big XII is irrelevant to me.

So true. The overall plan takes 64 schools minimum to work, not counting ND. Well, right now the Big Five have 64 schools among them. Gee, what a coincidence.

There will be more than 64 plus N.D.. As long as there is an unattached school that brings a profitable market the conferences will justify and adopt to 18, or 20. That's why I don't believe in the end that Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, or even B.C. get left out. I look for a final number of schools around the 68 range, maybe a few more if the PAC gets larger than 16.

I beleive that the 65 that we have now are it, and that no conference will go beyond 16.

I used to believe in 65 too, but the closer I got to that number the more the government kept raising it, 671/2, now they are talking about 70. I pity you younger guys. I think they want me to die while they still owe me! The only good reason I can think of to make a 100 is just to piss them off. So, forgive me XLance but I just don't trust the number 65. I don't trust it for the number of football teams in an upper tier, and I don't trust it for anyone's retirement.

That number will always need to be at least the majority of FBS schools. If the Sun Belt gets a little trigger happy inviting FCS schools, the Big 12 will expand by 2 more-67 covers the cartel through 6 more upgrades.

Barring changes to the current rules, the Gang of Five could conspire to flood FBS in time for the forthcoming playoff's expiration in 2025.

(02-04-2013 04:25 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 02:52 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 02:48 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:59 PM)94panther Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:37 PM)Villecard Wrote:  It seems that it is a forgone conclusion that if the B1G takes 2 from the ACC, the SEC, then Big 12 would follow. That very well could happen, but what if the ACC can regroup with the other 12 (with Louisville)? If the ACC television contract stayed the same, the team payout would be $20 million per team. Figure in ND's membership and that would increase a little. Thoughts?

Everyone forgets the Pac12 in expansion.
The food chain is: PAC/B10/SEC > ACC/B12 > BE/MWC > MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt, etc

Pac12 + 4 from B12= 16
B10 + 2 from ACC = 16
SEC + 2 from ACC = 16

B12 - 4 teams = 6 remaining
ACC - 4 teams = 10 remaining.
6 + 10 = 16 Simple.

1 correction: B10 + 2 from B12

Who? At most you get ONE longshot (KU) if Texoma goes west.... which also isn't happening.

KSU, ISU, BU, TCU, WVU... no shot at the B1G.

Iowa State is an AAU school so that would be in their favor Big 10 wise

After the B1G took Maryland and Rutgers, no school is off the table for them. They could have added Missouri, Kansas, Rutgers, and Maryland, along with Nebraska, and went to 16 in one day, but totally blew it. They would have locked down both the midwest and their east coast markets. I am now beginning to believe the B1G can't pull another ACC school. They are just like the Big XII....standing around waiting for a big bird to fly over and drop a big crap of wisdom and insight on them... We will see, but don't you think it would have happened already?

(02-04-2013 04:38 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 04:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 04:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 01:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Your scenario might be possible without getting around the grant of rights if the schools remaining in the Big 12 realized that they were not ever going to be able to build a viable bridge through expansion to West Virginia. They could simply vote to waive the GOR for the Mountaineers and let them go. Especially if they never take Cincinnati or Pitt, or Syracuse. Let's say the Big 12 decides to take Clemson & F.S.U. to get to 12 and yet they would still like to have Miami too. Instead of 13 they could take those three, let W.V.U. move to the SEC and the geography suddenly becomes a lot more manageable. The same is true if they took B.Y.U., and Boise. Colorado State brings a very nice market and a bridge to both.

Good point JR

And it may happen. I can't speak for the Eers but I think a good number of them would consider that a fair trade.

Only if WVU goes to the SEC. The ACC ain't worth it...

That's isn't.

FYI: Ain't was added to the dictionary in 1778. It's considered a proper word these days...

On another note, languages tend to evolve, which is how Latin became the root of Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese. English has evolved considerably over the centuries as well, and ain't is part of that evolution...

Better learn some proper grammar, you'll need it in your new conference (not the SEC).

(02-04-2013 04:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 01:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Plus I don't see ANY scenario where we take in Okie Lite.

WVU? Maybe, but probably only in a scenario where

1) we get one but not both our targets. Like if say UVA does go to the B1G and VT comes to us but none of the Carolina schools want to leave the ACC.

2) Nobody wants a little brother tagalong school so FSU and CU are out.

3) the GOR has some kind of major loophole/has ceased to exist.

Your scenario might be possible without getting around the grant of rights if the schools remaining in the Big 12 realized that they were not ever going to be able to build a viable bridge through expansion to West Virginia. They could simply vote to waive the GOR for the Mountaineers and let them go. Especially if they never take Cincinnati or Pitt, or Syracuse. Let's say the Big 12 decides to take Clemson & F.S.U. to get to 12 and yet they would still like to have Miami too. Instead of 13 they could take those three, let W.V.U. move to the SEC and the geography suddenly becomes a lot more manageable. The same is true if they took B.Y.U., and Boise. Colorado State brings a very nice market and a bridge to both.

Good point JR

And it may happen. I can't speak for the Eers but I think a good number of them would consider that a fair trade.

Only if WVU goes to the SEC. The ACC ain't worth it...

I see the B12 has been great for WVU...5000 fans in for Texas last night for Big Monday. Even a sucky WVU team (which you are right now) would still sellout versus Cuse and Pitt. BTW don't use snow as an excuse...Cuse got a foot of snow and still had 24k for their game against Notre Dame yesterday.

(02-05-2013 08:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 04:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 01:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Plus I don't see ANY scenario where we take in Okie Lite.

WVU? Maybe, but probably only in a scenario where

1) we get one but not both our targets. Like if say UVA does go to the B1G and VT comes to us but none of the Carolina schools want to leave the ACC.

2) Nobody wants a little brother tagalong school so FSU and CU are out.

3) the GOR has some kind of major loophole/has ceased to exist.

Your scenario might be possible without getting around the grant of rights if the schools remaining in the Big 12 realized that they were not ever going to be able to build a viable bridge through expansion to West Virginia. They could simply vote to waive the GOR for the Mountaineers and let them go. Especially if they never take Cincinnati or Pitt, or Syracuse. Let's say the Big 12 decides to take Clemson & F.S.U. to get to 12 and yet they would still like to have Miami too. Instead of 13 they could take those three, let W.V.U. move to the SEC and the geography suddenly becomes a lot more manageable. The same is true if they took B.Y.U., and Boise. Colorado State brings a very nice market and a bridge to both.

Good point JR

And it may happen. I can't speak for the Eers but I think a good number of them would consider that a fair trade.

Only if WVU goes to the SEC. The ACC ain't worth it...

I see the B12 has been great for WVU...5000 fans in for Texas last night for Big Monday. Even a sucky WVU team (which you are right now) would still sellout versus Cuse and Pitt. BTW don't use snow as an excuse...Cuse got a foot of snow and still had 24k for their game against Notre Dame yesterday.

Hear, hear. At this point it's obvious the Big 12 taking WVU was a blessing in disguise for Louisville. THANK YOU OLIVER LUCK!

(02-04-2013 10:22 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  That number will always need to be at least the majority of FBS schools. If the Sun Belt gets a little trigger happy inviting FCS schools, the Big 12 will expand by 2 more-67 covers the cartel through 6 more upgrades.

Barring changes to the current rules, the Gang of Five could conspire to flood FBS in time for the forthcoming playoff's expiration in 2025.

That's unless there is an outright split and the 64 just form their own athletic association separate from the NCAA.

(02-05-2013 09:35 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:22 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  That number will always need to be at least the majority of FBS schools. If the Sun Belt gets a little trigger happy inviting FCS schools, the Big 12 will expand by 2 more-67 covers the cartel through 6 more upgrades.

Barring changes to the current rules, the Gang of Five could conspire to flood FBS in time for the forthcoming playoff's expiration in 2025.

That's unless there is an outright split and the 64 just form their own athletic association separate from the NCAA.

The voting is still by conference. C-USA and the SUn Belt have the same number of votes whether they have 10 members each or 20.

It's a concern WAY down the road if the conference-continuity rules are still in effect--CUSA could split into East and West after five or six years of continuous-competition. Would they do it just to get more votes in the NCAA councils? I doubt it.

They might do it for travel reasons, etc. But I don't think "swamping FBS" so they have a 6-5 or even 7-5 majority would do anything.

(02-05-2013 08:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 04:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 01:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Plus I don't see ANY scenario where we take in Okie Lite.

WVU? Maybe, but probably only in a scenario where

1) we get one but not both our targets. Like if say UVA does go to the B1G and VT comes to us but none of the Carolina schools want to leave the ACC.

2) Nobody wants a little brother tagalong school so FSU and CU are out.

3) the GOR has some kind of major loophole/has ceased to exist.

Your scenario might be possible without getting around the grant of rights if the schools remaining in the Big 12 realized that they were not ever going to be able to build a viable bridge through expansion to West Virginia. They could simply vote to waive the GOR for the Mountaineers and let them go. Especially if they never take Cincinnati or Pitt, or Syracuse. Let's say the Big 12 decides to take Clemson & F.S.U. to get to 12 and yet they would still like to have Miami too. Instead of 13 they could take those three, let W.V.U. move to the SEC and the geography suddenly becomes a lot more manageable. The same is true if they took B.Y.U., and Boise. Colorado State brings a very nice market and a bridge to both.

Good point JR

And it may happen. I can't speak for the Eers but I think a good number of them would consider that a fair trade.

Only if WVU goes to the SEC. The ACC ain't worth it...

I see the B12 has been great for WVU...5000 fans in for Texas last night for Big Monday. Even a sucky WVU team (which you are right now) would still sellout versus Cuse and Pitt. BTW don't use snow as an excuse...Cuse got a foot of snow and still had 24k for their game against Notre Dame yesterday.

Well, Syracuse doesn't have the terrain to deal with that WVU has. Anyone can drive in the snow on fairly flat ground, unless they're from Tennessee. Try driving in a foot of snow in West Virginia's mountains sometime, especially on the back roads...

(02-05-2013 10:10 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-05-2013 08:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 04:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 01:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Your scenario might be possible without getting around the grant of rights if the schools remaining in the Big 12 realized that they were not ever going to be able to build a viable bridge through expansion to West Virginia. They could simply vote to waive the GOR for the Mountaineers and let them go. Especially if they never take Cincinnati or Pitt, or Syracuse. Let's say the Big 12 decides to take Clemson & F.S.U. to get to 12 and yet they would still like to have Miami too. Instead of 13 they could take those three, let W.V.U. move to the SEC and the geography suddenly becomes a lot more manageable. The same is true if they took B.Y.U., and Boise. Colorado State brings a very nice market and a bridge to both.

Good point JR

And it may happen. I can't speak for the Eers but I think a good number of them would consider that a fair trade.

Only if WVU goes to the SEC. The ACC ain't worth it...

I see the B12 has been great for WVU...5000 fans in for Texas last night for Big Monday. Even a sucky WVU team (which you are right now) would still sellout versus Cuse and Pitt. BTW don't use snow as an excuse...Cuse got a foot of snow and still had 24k for their game against Notre Dame yesterday.

Well, Syracuse doesn't have the terrain to deal with that WVU has. Anyone can drive in the snow on fairly flat ground, unless they're from Tennessee. Try driving in a foot of snow in West Virginia's mountains sometime, especially on the back roads...

Good point but Cuse has some hills on the south side and the University/Dome sit on a big hill...the terminus of the Appalachian Chain. While FB in the B12 has brought bigger names...to WVU...BB is a big downer. KU, then?

B12 basketball is pretty good. Kansas State, Baylor, Oklahoma, OSU, and ISU are better than you think, and 60% of the conference is looking good for an NCAA tourney bid. WVU not so much this year. Although we're not out of it yet. But if the Mountaineers are going to make a run at it, they'd better get it in gear...

B12 women's basketball has BEast women's basketball beat hands down at present. UConn at their best couldn't beat Brittney Griner's Baylor team...

(02-05-2013 12:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  B12 basketball is pretty good. Kansas State, Baylor, Oklahoma, OSU, and ISU are better than you think, and 60% of the conference is looking good for an NCAA tourney bid. WVU not so much this year. Although we're not out of it yet. But if the Mountaineers are going to make a run at it, they'd better get it in gear...

B12 women's basketball has BEast women's basketball beat hands down at present. UConn at their best couldn't beat Brittney Griner's Baylor team...

Stanford barely beat Baylor which is their only loss of the season and I think that our 20 point loss to them was one of the closest games that Baylor has played all season.

They're going to tear up the NCAA tournament.

(02-05-2013 12:59 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-05-2013 12:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  B12 basketball is pretty good. Kansas State, Baylor, Oklahoma, OSU, and ISU are better than you think, and 60% of the conference is looking good for an NCAA tourney bid. WVU not so much this year. Although we're not out of it yet. But if the Mountaineers are going to make a run at it, they'd better get it in gear...

B12 women's basketball has BEast women's basketball beat hands down at present. UConn at their best couldn't beat Brittney Griner's Baylor team...

Stanford barely beat Baylor which is their only loss of the season and I think that our 20 point loss to them was one of the closest games that Baylor has played all season.

They're going to tear up the NCAA tournament.

Stanford beat Baylor because Baylor's All American PG left 5 mins. into the game with a knee injury. If she plays the entire game, it wouldn't have been close and Baylor would still be undefeated.

(02-05-2013 02:14 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(02-05-2013 12:59 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-05-2013 12:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  B12 basketball is pretty good. Kansas State, Baylor, Oklahoma, OSU, and ISU are better than you think, and 60% of the conference is looking good for an NCAA tourney bid. WVU not so much this year. Although we're not out of it yet. But if the Mountaineers are going to make a run at it, they'd better get it in gear...

B12 women's basketball has BEast women's basketball beat hands down at present. UConn at their best couldn't beat Brittney Griner's Baylor team...

Stanford barely beat Baylor which is their only loss of the season and I think that our 20 point loss to them was one of the closest games that Baylor has played all season.

They're going to tear up the NCAA tournament.

Stanford beat Baylor because Baylor's All American PG left 5 mins. into the game with a knee injury. If she plays the entire game, it wouldn't have been close and Baylor would still be undefeated.

I'll be rooting for Baylor. I can't imagine rooting for any of the BE teams if we were still in the league. I think it may be a good thing that we don't have any rivals yet in the league. If one school does well, that reflects positively on the league as a whole.

Now some Kansas and K-State fans may disagree with me but oh well.