(02-01-2013 03:21 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  VT is pretty tied to the North Carolina schools even without UVa. That's one of the reasons the ACC doesn't use North/South Divisions.

Right, however it's not whether there are some ties, it's how strong are they if teams bail?

It's at best a gray area IMO as we haven't seen it happen yet.

(02-01-2013 03:26 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:21 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  VT is pretty tied to the North Carolina schools even without UVa. That's one of the reasons the ACC doesn't use North/South Divisions.

Right, however it's not whether there are some ties, it's how strong are they if teams bail?

It's at best a gray area IMO as we haven't seen it happen yet.

good thing nobody is bailing.

(02-01-2013 02:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I find these discussions humorous. Someone talks about possible B12 expansion, and all the former BEast fans about to join the ACC jump in with Texas is going to the Pac. The strongest defenders of ACC solidarity aren't even in the ACC yet...

Not so fast my friend. Outside of the PAC, SEC, and B1G all conferences are vulnerable. But I do think Realignment will continue to be a slow process with the pieces slowly moving rather than "bang this sh*t is done". Maybe there are a few more moves this year, maybe there won't be. The Final 16 team conference will prob be leftovers from the ACC/Big XII. Whether that league will named the ACC or Big XII is irrelevant to me.

I still think Missouri could end up in the B1G, especially if 20 is the magic number and not 16. So I'm not sure even the SEC is safe.

(02-01-2013 03:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  The Final 16 team conference will prob be leftovers from the ACC/Big XII. Whether that league will named the ACC or Big XII is irrelevant to me.

So true. The overall plan takes 64 schools minimum to work, not counting ND. Well, right now the Big Five have 64 schools among them. Gee, what a coincidence.

(02-01-2013 03:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 02:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I find these discussions humorous. Someone talks about possible B12 expansion, and all the former BEast fans about to join the ACC jump in with Texas is going to the Pac. The strongest defenders of ACC solidarity aren't even in the ACC yet...

Not so fast my friend. Outside of the PAC, SEC, and B1G all conferences are vulnerable. But I do think Realignment will continue to be a slow process with the pieces slowly moving rather than bang this sh*t done. Maybe there are a few more moves this year, maybe there won't be. The Final 16 team conference will prob be leftovers from the ACC/Big XII. Whether that league will named the ACC or Big XII is irrelevant to me.

It seems to be trending that way. Doesn't it?

(02-01-2013 03:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 02:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I find these discussions humorous. Someone talks about possible B12 expansion, and all the former BEast fans about to join the ACC jump in with Texas is going to the Pac. The strongest defenders of ACC solidarity aren't even in the ACC yet...

Not so fast my friend. Outside of the PAC, SEC, and B1G all conferences are vulnerable. But I do think Realignment will continue to be a slow process with the pieces slowly moving rather than bang this sh*t done. Maybe there are a few more moves this year, maybe there won't be. The Final 16 team conference will prob be leftovers from the ACC/Big XII. Whether that league will named the ACC or Big XII is irrelevant to me.

It seems to be trending that way. Doesn't it?

Pretty much... Rocket Science 101 :drinky2:

(02-01-2013 03:39 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  The Final 16 team conference will prob be leftovers from the ACC/Big XII. Whether that league will named the ACC or Big XII is irrelevant to me.

So true. The overall plan takes 64 schools minimum to work, not counting ND. Well, right now the Big Five have 64 schools among them. Gee, what a coincidence.

There will be more than 64 plus N.D.. As long as there is an unattached school that brings a profitable market the conferences will justify and adopt to 18, or 20. That's why I don't believe in the end that Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, or even B.C. get left out. I look for a final number of schools around the 68 range, maybe a few more if the PAC gets larger than 16.

(02-01-2013 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:39 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  The Final 16 team conference will prob be leftovers from the ACC/Big XII. Whether that league will named the ACC or Big XII is irrelevant to me.

So true. The overall plan takes 64 schools minimum to work, not counting ND. Well, right now the Big Five have 64 schools among them. Gee, what a coincidence.

There will be more than 64 plus N.D.. As long as there is an unattached school that brings a profitable market the conferences will justify and adopt to 18, or 20. That's why I don't believe in the end that Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, or even B.C. get left out. I look for a final number of schools around the 68 range, maybe a few more if the PAC gets larger than 16.

I don't think anyone from the ACC/BigXII will be left out. Both loses members and are forced to eventually merge. Who is in this league will be whats interesting I guess.

Now the real question is, if the PAC can't grab Texoma, do they grab 4 teams from the East.

(02-01-2013 02:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I find these discussions humorous. Someone talks about possible B12 expansion, and all the former BEast fans about to join the ACC jump in with Texas is going to the Pac. The strongest defenders of ACC solidarity aren't even in the ACC yet...

That's because this board was where the original Big East board was located. It's also why you see very few NCSU, UNC, Clemson, FSU, etc fans here. They just don't post on csnbbs. They mostly stick to their individual rivals & scout pages.

All that said I'm a fan of a school that hasn't even joined the Big East yet and I believe the Texahoma 4 will wind up in the Pac12. Like it or not the Big12 isn't operating from a position of power unless your name is Texas or Oklahoma. And I've explained my theory on the GoR about 100 times on this board so lets not go there.

(02-01-2013 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  There will be more than 64 plus N.D..

That could well be true. I'm just saying that anyone "in" doesn't need to be worried about being left out because one way or another, they all have to be included. Now maybe they don't get included the way they WANT to be included, but they'll be in.

(02-01-2013 01:59 PM)94panther Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:37 PM)Villecard Wrote:  

Pac12 + 4 from B12= 16
B10 + 2 from ACC = 16
SEC + 2 from ACC = 16

B12 - 4 teams = 6 remaining
ACC - 4 teams = 10 remaining.
6 + 10 = 16 Simple.

It won't happen all at once, and conf will back fill. It will not be as simple as you have it.

All these realignment theories have one problem. Try as we might things never seem to work out the way they are planned. There are just too many moving parts here. There are too many conflicting interests, too many big egos. I think those that are looking for a series of moves in the near future and those that are expecting a slow but major overhaul of the conferences are both going to be disappointed.

(02-01-2013 12:56 PM)Villecard Wrote:  Without saying it earlier this week, Bowlsby essentially said this: We're happy at 10 teams, but if the Big Ten moves to 16 by taking teams from the ACC, we're not standing still.

The most likely realignment scenario involves the Big Ten moving to 16 — sources tell Sporting News it's not if, but when — and the Big 12 setting its sights adding teams, perhaps Florida State and Clemson.


Check it out here

I remember the first time I posted here that I thought the Big Ten might look at FSU and Clemson to go with UNC, UVA, Duke and GT. But when some media outlet puts it out it makes so much sense....

LOL

Folks, you Really do not need media to tell you everything in your life. You CAN figure it out for yourself.

(02-01-2013 01:59 PM)94panther Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:37 PM)Villecard Wrote:  It seems that it is a forgone conclusion that if the B1G takes 2 from the ACC, the SEC, then Big 12 would follow. That very well could happen, but what if the ACC can regroup with the other 12 (with Louisville)? If the ACC television contract stayed the same, the team payout would be $20 million per team. Figure in ND's membership and that would increase a little. Thoughts?

Everyone forgets the Pac12 in expansion.
The food chain is: PAC/B10/SEC > ACC/B12 > BE/MWC > MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt, etc

Pac12 + 4 from B12= 16
B10 + 2 from ACC = 16
SEC + 2 from ACC = 16

B12 - 4 teams = 6 remaining
ACC - 4 teams = 10 remaining.
6 + 10 = 16 Simple.

Atlantic - FSU, BC, Wake, Lou, Syr, Clem, TTU, KSU
Coastal - Mia, ISU, Duke, WVU, Pitt, GT, Baylor, KU

Other than Boston College/Iowa State football divisions work out well.

(02-01-2013 01:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Sure sounds a lot like Lando C. to me, "We've just made a deal that will keep the Empire out of here for a long time."

Who's the Empire in this analogy?

(02-02-2013 06:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Sure sounds a lot like Lando C. to me, "We've just made a deal that will keep the Empire out of here for a long time."

Who's the Empire in this analogy?

Why the Big 10 of course. The SEC is the Rebel Alliance. It is the Big 10 that is rumored (see Gee of O.S.U. remarks) to want a mid west school (Kansas).

The B1G can't be the Empire. The Empire ruled over all, and the B1G hasn't ruled diddly on the field for a long time...

(02-02-2013 08:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The B1G can't be the Empire. The Empire ruled over all, and the B1G hasn't ruled diddly on the field for a long time...

Okay, wrong show. They are the Borg, mindless assimilation of AAU schools with no regard to the sport for which they are realigning.

(02-02-2013 08:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The B1G can't be the Empire. The Empire ruled over all, and the B1G hasn't ruled diddly on the field for a long time...

College football isn't ruled on the field. That is just the diversion the Emperor allows the common plebs to believe in.