(12-24-2012 09:25 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:19 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:17 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:09 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Yes but if the BE can land the better tv on tract and stronger SOS it would still provide Boise the best deal other than being taken by Big12 and Pac12 which is Boise's real goal. How do you keep moving up the ladder and keep putting yourself closer to that goal and making yourself attractive.

As for your analogy, well if Boise ends up in a fourteen team BE division which is the goal of the league their schedule would look like this
SDSU,Fresno,UNLV,Houston,SMU,Navy,Temple,UCF- the last two rotated by years from the eastern division
Compare that to
Fresno,UNLV,New Mexico,Wyoming,USU,SJSU,AF,Nevada

Less money,less exposure and playing vs lesser name schools.

No question, if Aresco can deliver a media contract that has a significantly better value than the MWC then the nBE will continue to be a better option for Boise than the MWC. Right now that seems to be a big if.

But, another option is going indy, which given what Boise seems to be demanding of the nBE and MWC (retention of home rights) might be very attractive to them. If Boise really is the Big Tuna that can save MWC or nBE football then this means their football is significantly more valuable than the average value of football in both the nBE or MWC, and thus they will probably be subsidizing the football contract of either conference. Going Indy could very well allow them to retain more of their value.

That would put the MWC in even worse position.

What would stop Fresno from making the jump to be with SDSU then?

If Boise does go indy, that hurts the MWC and the nBE. Of course going indy is complicated, you have to line up a network or at least shop around and get a strong feel for who would be willing to offer a deal and for how much, and you have to schedule. Neither are easy, but BYU did it.

It's not happening

(12-24-2012 09:25 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:19 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:17 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:09 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Yes but if the BE can land the better tv on tract and stronger SOS it would still provide Boise the best deal other than being taken by Big12 and Pac12 which is Boise's real goal. How do you keep moving up the ladder and keep putting yourself closer to that goal and making yourself attractive.

As for your analogy, well if Boise ends up in a fourteen team BE division which is the goal of the league their schedule would look like this
SDSU,Fresno,UNLV,Houston,SMU,Navy,Temple,UCF- the last two rotated by years from the eastern division
Compare that to
Fresno,UNLV,New Mexico,Wyoming,USU,SJSU,AF,Nevada

Less money,less exposure and playing vs lesser name schools.

No question, if Aresco can deliver a media contract that has a significantly better value than the MWC then the nBE will continue to be a better option for Boise than the MWC. Right now that seems to be a big if.

But, another option is going indy, which given what Boise seems to be demanding of the nBE and MWC (retention of home rights) might be very attractive to them. If Boise really is the Big Tuna that can save MWC or nBE football then this means their football is significantly more valuable than the average value of football in both the nBE or MWC, and thus they will probably be subsidizing the football contract of either conference. Going Indy could very well allow them to retain more of their value.

That would put the MWC in even worse position.

What would stop Fresno from making the jump to be with SDSU then?

If Boise does go indy, that hurts the MWC and the nBE. Of course going indy is complicated, you have to line up a network or at least shop around and get a strong feel for who would be willing to offer a deal and for how much, and you have to schedule. Neither are easy, but BYU did it.

It would hurt the BE but it would probably kill the MWC.

(12-24-2012 09:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Boise cannot go indy, times have changed there is little access to major bowls,playoffs and playoff tv money if you are an indy not named Notre Dame read the new rules. This is why the MWC and BE think that BYU might be back in play in next few years

Yes and No. An Indy Boise would seemingly have a worse chance of making a regular BCS-level bowl under the new system (we don't know the exact access of some of the 6 major bowls outside of the Orange, Sugar, and Rose), but if the issue is playing for a national title, Boise has a better chance under the new system because going forward they do that by being ranked in the top 4, whereas under the BCS it was the top 2.

(12-24-2012 09:33 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Boise cannot go indy, times have changed there is little access to major bowls,playoffs and playoff tv money if you are an indy not named Notre Dame read the new rules. This is why the MWC and BE think that BYU might be back in play in next few years

Yes and No. An Indy Boise would seemingly have a worse chance of making a regular BCS-level bowl under the new system (we don't know the exact access of some of the 6 major bowls outside of the Orange, Sugar, and Rose), but if the issue is playing for a national title, Boise has a better chance under the new system because going forward they do that by being ranked in the top 4, whereas under the BCS it was the top 2.

LOL You really believe that? How many times has Boise finished in top four before? Those slots will be locked up by the big four yearly. Read the thread I added specially for you.

(12-24-2012 09:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:33 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Boise cannot go indy, times have changed there is little access to major bowls,playoffs and playoff tv money if you are an indy not named Notre Dame read the new rules. This is why the MWC and BE think that BYU might be back in play in next few years

Yes and No. An Indy Boise would seemingly have a worse chance of making a regular BCS-level bowl under the new system (we don't know the exact access of some of the 6 major bowls outside of the Orange, Sugar, and Rose), but if the issue is playing for a national title, Boise has a better chance under the new system because going forward they do that by being ranked in the top 4, whereas under the BCS it was the top 2.

LOL You really believe that? How many times has Boise finished in top four before? Those slots will be locked up by the big four yearly.

Maybe so, but mathematically, it's easier to make the top four than the top two.

(12-24-2012 10:13 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:33 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Boise cannot go indy, times have changed there is little access to major bowls,playoffs and playoff tv money if you are an indy not named Notre Dame read the new rules. This is why the MWC and BE think that BYU might be back in play in next few years

Yes and No. An Indy Boise would seemingly have a worse chance of making a regular BCS-level bowl under the new system (we don't know the exact access of some of the 6 major bowls outside of the Orange, Sugar, and Rose), but if the issue is playing for a national title, Boise has a better chance under the new system because going forward they do that by being ranked in the top 4, whereas under the BCS it was the top 2.

LOL You really believe that? How many times has Boise finished in top four before? Those slots will be locked up by the big four yearly.

Maybe so, but mathematically, it's easier to make the top four than the top two.

Not if rules change and make it more difficult to get in there. You really believe an undefeated Boise would take the place of teams from the Big Four with one loss in the playoffs?

(12-24-2012 10:16 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 10:13 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:33 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Boise cannot go indy, times have changed there is little access to major bowls,playoffs and playoff tv money if you are an indy not named Notre Dame read the new rules. This is why the MWC and BE think that BYU might be back in play in next few years

Yes and No. An Indy Boise would seemingly have a worse chance of making a regular BCS-level bowl under the new system (we don't know the exact access of some of the 6 major bowls outside of the Orange, Sugar, and Rose), but if the issue is playing for a national title, Boise has a better chance under the new system because going forward they do that by being ranked in the top 4, whereas under the BCS it was the top 2.

LOL You really believe that? How many times has Boise finished in top four before? Those slots will be locked up by the big four yearly.

Maybe so, but mathematically, it's easier to make the top four than the top two.

Not if rules change and make it more difficult to get in there. You really believe an undefeated Boise would take the place of teams from the Big Four with one loss in the playoffs?

That's exactly why there will be a "committee of humans" (with heavy interest from TV networks, sponsors, and the Big Four) making the Final Four selections and not computer rankings.

Thats why a #3 or #4 Boise State will probably lose out to a #5 ranked 12-1 Michigan or Florida team....as the HUMANS will always have the excuse "Big Ten/SEC was a tougher conf from week to week than the very weak MWC".

It will almost now be impossible for a MWC, CUSA, Sunbelt, etc...team to make it into the Final Four....now that a selection committee will be in charge of ALL final 4 picks.

(12-24-2012 09:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Boise cannot go indy, times have changed there is little access to major bowls,playoffs and playoff tv money if you are an indy not named Notre Dame read the new rules. This is why the MWC and BE think that BYU might be back in play in next few years

Yes to Access Bowl and TV money, but as for bowls--Boise has been in the Las Vegas bowl so often lately they might as well sign Boise annually, no?

Our only hope is for our champ to go 13-0 and that one of the Big Four champs have 2-3 losses.

(12-24-2012 10:21 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Boise cannot go indy, times have changed there is little access to major bowls,playoffs and playoff tv money if you are an indy not named Notre Dame read the new rules. This is why the MWC and BE think that BYU might be back in play in next few years

Yes to Access Bowl and TV money, but as for bowls--Boise has been in the Las Vegas bowl so often lately they might as well sign Boise annually, no?

They would never do that...because they don't want to get stuck playing in a minor bowl game before Christmas each and every year.....but that's all that is available to them in the MWC since they have terrible bowl agreements (i.e. Top 2 MWC teams were stuck playing in minor bowl games the week before Christmas).

Boise St has gone 12-1, 12-1 and 11-2 over the last 3 years...but due to terrible bowl agreements, they were stuck playing in the minor bowl game in Vegas before Christmas each and every year.

(12-24-2012 10:16 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 10:13 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:33 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 09:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Boise cannot go indy, times have changed there is little access to major bowls,playoffs and playoff tv money if you are an indy not named Notre Dame read the new rules. This is why the MWC and BE think that BYU might be back in play in next few years

Yes and No. An Indy Boise would seemingly have a worse chance of making a regular BCS-level bowl under the new system (we don't know the exact access of some of the 6 major bowls outside of the Orange, Sugar, and Rose), but if the issue is playing for a national title, Boise has a better chance under the new system because going forward they do that by being ranked in the top 4, whereas under the BCS it was the top 2.

LOL You really believe that? How many times has Boise finished in top four before? Those slots will be locked up by the big four yearly.

Maybe so, but mathematically, it's easier to make the top four than the top two.

Not if rules change and make it more difficult to get in there. You really believe an undefeated Boise would take the place of teams from the Big Four with one loss in the playoffs?

I can't see an unbeaten Boise getting in ahead of a once-beaten SEC team, but ahead of any other 1-loss team from other Big 4 conferences? It is possible. Would depend on factors like Boise's SOS, and whether those 1-loss champs were big names like USC and Michigan or smaller names like Washington State or Michigan State, etc.

(12-24-2012 09:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 01:43 AM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  

(12-23-2012 09:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  the only atom bomb that needs dropped is the one we should drop on ourselves...we need to blow this pos thing we've got going up and start from scratch....

You guys and UConn will be gone soon enough. Just humor us on your way out the door, huh?

I wasn't trying to be stupid here...I'm serious. I wish we could "start over" and re-evaluate the conference as is and make some decisions on who's in at this point and who's not....

Since your school, UConn and USF apparently voted to admit Tulane, I assume you're referring to Boise. If so, you folks and the rest of the BE should have known that Boise is to conference membership as Elizabeth Taylor was to marriage.