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And I know some have said that since we were capable of performing as we did against Marshall and the 2nd half of USM, it's on McGee that we couldn't maintain that over the season. But teams with new systems and new coaches are just going to be maddeningly inconsistent...no way around that (unless it's a situation where, say, Nick Saban jumps to the NFL...the coach who followed should shoulder more expectations than usual).

I have high hopes for McGee and his staff.
Every coach at one time or another makes decisions he later regrets
I hope he continues to learn from his mistakes and to gain more knowledge of the game and to be passionate about winning and to pass that on to his players.
That is the point I'm trying to make

(11-27-2012 04:44 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 04:18 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 03:06 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 10:52 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  So refreshing to know there are so many doctors on the board that can assess an injury from 150' away. The future is bright for the medical program.

He could barely walk in the Memphis game. I'm not a doctor, but I could have seen that limp over the radio.

Then why didn't the MDs, trainers, coaches, or even he pull himself out? Because it wasn't as bad as yall are making it out to be.

They did.

BS. It was a groin injury that people play through all the time. He didn't ask to be taken out. The doctors and trainers obviously weren't screaming about it either.

(11-27-2012 07:49 PM)uabfl Wrote:  ouch, you really hit a nerve with the O'Leary comparison. I barely consider him a good human being, let alone coach

He's won the east division 4 times. You can think what you want about his being a human being, but he's not a bad coach.

well I hope that McGee can accomplish a championship without lying, cheating and working his players to death

(11-27-2012 11:28 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 04:44 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 04:18 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 03:06 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 10:52 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  So refreshing to know there are so many doctors on the board that can assess an injury from 150' away. The future is bright for the medical program.

He could barely walk in the Memphis game. I'm not a doctor, but I could have seen that limp over the radio.

Then why didn't the MDs, trainers, coaches, or even he pull himself out? Because it wasn't as bad as yall are making it out to be.

They did.

BS. It was a groin injury that people play through all the time. He didn't ask to be taken out. The doctors and trainers obviously weren't screaming about it either.

BS? I don’t think so! They have scheduled AB for two surgeries, quickly: sports hernia and ankle. You can try to down play it all you want, but the kid was playing with injuries that most COULD not. JJ Nelson sustained the same sports hernia injury during the East Carolina game and it pretty much ended his season; granted, as a receiver it’s all about speed and quickness, but still.

Spin it anyway you want – the kid is tough and would have performed/produced much more if it weren’t for those injuries. Ankle injured during the 1st half of the SELA game – sports hernia happened in the first half of the Tulane game. That’s 7 games played with substantial injuries, 4-1/2 of which there were two injuries.

Now, did the medical staff put him in jeopardy? I would hope/think not. Most (competitive) players (i.e., Burdette, etc) will down play their injuries to the trainers and coaching staff because that’s part of what makes them great…toughness. Also, the coaches have no say so when it comes to playing an injured player.

McGee knew AB was playing hurt, we all know this. And as a trained professional he also understood the toll it took on AB’s performance - but he’s preparing for the FUTURE and AB (right now) is the future.

JP improved greatly (IMO) from 2011 to 2012, and 2011 was his first year of starting (most of the games). The same scenario happened to AB this year (i.e., did not start the season but ended up starting most of the games). Now, don’t you think AB will show the same improvement (if not more) year over year? And AB is younger… Coach knows what he is doing!!

Remember what Sam Accursio (well respected and liked senior) said about AB during a post game interview… “he’s the right guy for the job”.

Thank you. I was waiting on you to say this. I knew you would eventually.

Elliott Henigan & Pat Shed had sports hernias for their Senior seasons. Ask around and see if their performance was even a shadow of their Junior years.

(11-28-2012 01:18 PM)Uncle BLAZER Wrote:  Thank you. I was waiting on you to say this. I knew you would eventually.

Yeah Baby, Yeah!

(11-28-2012 01:01 PM)EATON-BLAZER Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 11:28 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 04:44 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 04:18 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 03:06 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  He could barely walk in the Memphis game. I'm not a doctor, but I could have seen that limp over the radio.

Then why didn't the MDs, trainers, coaches, or even he pull himself out? Because it wasn't as bad as yall are making it out to be.

They did.

BS. It was a groin injury that people play through all the time. He didn't ask to be taken out. The doctors and trainers obviously weren't screaming about it either.

BS? I don’t think so! They have scheduled AB for two surgeries, quickly: sports hernia and ankle. You can try to down play it all you want, but the kid was playing with injuries that most COULD not. JJ Nelson sustained the same sports hernia injury during the East Carolina game and it pretty much ended his season; granted, as a receiver it’s all about speed and quickness, but still.

Spin it anyway you want – the kid is tough and would have performed/produced much more if it weren’t for those injuries. Ankle injured during the 1st half of the SELA game – sports hernia happened in the first half of the Tulane game. That’s 7 games played with substantial injuries, 4-1/2 of which there were two injuries.

Now, did the medical staff put him in jeopardy? I would hope/think not. Most (competitive) players (i.e., Burdette, etc) will down play their injuries to the trainers and coaching staff because that’s part of what makes them great…toughness. Also, the coaches have no say so when it comes to playing an injured player.

McGee knew AB was playing hurt, we all know this. And as a trained professional he also understood the toll it took on AB’s performance - but he’s preparing for the FUTURE and AB (right now) is the future.

JP improved greatly (IMO) from 2011 to 2012, and 2011 was his first year of starting (most of the games). The same scenario happened to AB this year (i.e., did not start the season but ended up starting most of the games). Now, don’t you think AB will show the same improvement (if not more) year over year? And AB is younger… Coach knows what he is doing!!

Remember what Sam Accursio (well respected and liked senior) said about AB during a post game interview… “he’s the right guy for the job”.

So you're saying it wasn't bad enough for him not to play? Pretty sure I said the exact same thing. I never said he wasn't injured. I simply said it wasn't bad enough for the coaches, doctors, or trainers to take him out of the game.

Just bad enough to need 2 surgeries immediately following the season.

Once again. Players will play through injuries all the time. The off season is when they do surgeries not requiring immediate action. Honestly, how can you not figure that out?

I get that.

When are you gonna get that someone else MAY have been more productive BECAUSE he was playing injured?

(11-28-2012 03:55 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 01:01 PM)EATON-BLAZER Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 11:28 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 04:44 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 04:18 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  Then why didn't the MDs, trainers, coaches, or even he pull himself out? Because it wasn't as bad as yall are making it out to be.

They did.

BS. It was a groin injury that people play through all the time. He didn't ask to be taken out. The doctors and trainers obviously weren't screaming about it either.

BS? I don’t think so! They have scheduled AB for two surgeries, quickly: sports hernia and ankle. You can try to down play it all you want, but the kid was playing with injuries that most COULD not. JJ Nelson sustained the same sports hernia injury during the East Carolina game and it pretty much ended his season; granted, as a receiver it’s all about speed and quickness, but still.

Spin it anyway you want – the kid is tough and would have performed/produced much more if it weren’t for those injuries. Ankle injured during the 1st half of the SELA game – sports hernia happened in the first half of the Tulane game. That’s 7 games played with substantial injuries, 4-1/2 of which there were two injuries.

Now, did the medical staff put him in jeopardy? I would hope/think not. Most (competitive) players (i.e., Burdette, etc) will down play their injuries to the trainers and coaching staff because that’s part of what makes them great…toughness. Also, the coaches have no say so when it comes to playing an injured player.

McGee knew AB was playing hurt, we all know this. And as a trained professional he also understood the toll it took on AB’s performance - but he’s preparing for the FUTURE and AB (right now) is the future.

JP improved greatly (IMO) from 2011 to 2012, and 2011 was his first year of starting (most of the games). The same scenario happened to AB this year (i.e., did not start the season but ended up starting most of the games). Now, don’t you think AB will show the same improvement (if not more) year over year? And AB is younger… Coach knows what he is doing!!

Remember what Sam Accursio (well respected and liked senior) said about AB during a post game interview… “he’s the right guy for the job”.

So you're saying it wasn't bad enough for him not to play? Pretty sure I said the exact same thing. I never said he wasn't injured. I simply said it wasn't bad enough for the coaches, doctors, or trainers to take him out of the game.

No, I’m saying they rolled the dice in exchange for valuable experience. Knowing his injuries were bad enough to prohibit him from evading even the slightest rush put him at risk to sustain “other” injuries (because he was taking wicked hits).

You stated that his injuries: “wasn’t as bad as yall are making it out to be” – I think they were worse… just my opinion.

(11-28-2012 04:48 PM)Uncle BLAZER Wrote:  I get that.

When are you gonna get that someone else MAY have been more productive BECAUSE he was playing injured?

Losing by less is still losing. Getting the experience for next year was far more important.

Eaton- You're arguing in circles. People on the board were saying he could barely walk which is completely false. He played through an injury as many players do. No one kept him from playing because it wasn't bad enough to require him to be taken out. Taking a risk is part of the game whether you are injured or completely healthy.

Or it was far worse and he was one hit away from being injured for life.

If it was that bad, someone should be fired for negligence. So which is it?

(11-28-2012 06:53 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 04:48 PM)Uncle BLAZER Wrote:  I get that.

When are you gonna get that someone else MAY have been more productive BECAUSE he was playing injured?

Losing by less is still losing. Getting the experience for next year was far more important.

Eaton- You're arguing in circles. People on the board were saying he could barely walk which is completely false. He played through an injury as many players do. No one kept him from playing because it wasn't bad enough to require him to be taken out. Taking a risk is part of the game whether you are injured or completely healthy.

Or it was far worse and he was one hit away from being injured for life.

If it was that bad, someone should be fired for negligence. So which is it?

I’ll try to close the circle LightEm.

First, I’m not suggesting that the UAB staff was negligent in any way. I understand that you are always one hit away from a career ending injury – BUT – you can certainly increase those odds by…

Second, my rant was slanted more toward how tough and productive AB was considering the injuries he was dealing with – NOT – that he could barely walk, etc, although, it was painful watching him attempt to move around.

Posts are like emails, they can sometimes be hard to interpret.

Playing through pain, showing toughness, getting experience, showing leadership, I understand why AB stayed out there. That stuff is important.

OTOH, there were times that getting him out of there and putting JP in might have won a game. That's also important.

I think the original debate was???......to play Perry at 100% or Brown at 70%(?)
tough decision, but looking back to UCF I think that is your answer

That debate was on another thread maybe. I started this one. But while we're at it, JP at 100% is better than Austin at 100%. That's my contention. So there! GO BLAZERS!!!