(05-29-2012 05:12 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 05:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 04:57 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Ya guys know that not everyone that voted no is an ACC fan right.

You do realize that choir practice is over? Don't you?

hahaha...

As yinz can see I didn't vote at all. More interesting in seeing the results.

I know. But I figured you'd catch the joke...

Florida State will most certainly go but I am not sure Clemson is the other school.

(05-29-2012 05:12 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 05:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 04:57 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Ya guys know that not everyone that voted no is an ACC fan right.

You do realize that choir practice is over? Don't you?

hahaha...

As yinz can see I didn't vote at all. More interesting in seeing the results.

LOL.

"Yinz' "

Not throwing rocks... I have my own Southern-Roots.


REPRESENT.

its not a no brainer for either school if it was an sec invite it would be. But as we saw last year the big 12 isnt really all that strong if texas starts looking around. Last year at this time it looked like the big 12 would be dead and it didnt so fsu and clemsoin better do a thorough investigation since life isnt always better where the most money is and its not really that much higher after factoring expenses and losing of rivals

30 people are smart, can't say much about the other 25 though.

(05-29-2012 01:18 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Yes, especially if the difference is 4 to 5 million dollars a year.

If we are talking Tier 3 it would be in the neighborhood of 5 million plus for FSU and around 3 million for Clemson, IMO. JR

The only information presently available about Clemson and Florida State even considering a move is being pushed by bloggers with agendas. When credible media mentions the story, they reference the bloggers. There is absolutely no concrete evidence that The Big 12 is expanding less lone inviting two programs from The ACC to join. Until the AD and President of said ACC universities say we are going to The Big 12, I say it's all wishful thinking on a bunch of folks part.
CJ

(05-29-2012 08:52 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The only information presently available about Clemson and Florida State even considering a move is being pushed by bloggers with agendas. When credible media mentions the story, they reference the bloggers. There is absolutely no concrete evidence that The Big 12 is expanding less lone inviting two programs from The ACC to join. Until the AD and President of said ACC universities say we are going to The Big 12, I say it's all wishful thinking on a bunch of folks part.
CJ

When someone says that we've not been contacted yet, if we receive a viable option, a viable proposal, that is presented to us by any league, we will consider it- that's as concrete as anything out there that a school is looking. That came straight from the Clemson board of trustees. I don't think that's done by bloggers with agendas.

I'd question your objectivity being a Louisville fan. Your post seems to be full of agenda- just what you are saying your opposed to.

Clemson and FSU better be careful how they pay this thing. They better be pretty freakin' confident that the BIG 12 will take them in, before they tee off the powers-that-be at the ACC's Greensboro office. They might give away all there bargaining power if they get to vocal about leaving, then Texas has a change of heart at the 11th hour.

As Clemson and FSU are well aware, the NC schools, led by UNC, run that league.

I'd say for FSU and Clemson- things couldn't get much worse in the ACC than they already are.....

(05-29-2012 09:09 PM)ecu92 Wrote:  Clemson and FSU better be careful how they pay this thing. They better be pretty freakin' confident that the BIG 12 will take them in, before they tee off the powers-that-be at the ACC's Greensboro office. They might give away all there bargaining power if they get to vocal about leaving, then Texas has a change of heart at the 11th hour.

As Clemson and FSU are well aware, the NC schools, led by UNC, run that league.

F.S.U. and Clemson are 1 & 2 in football revenue produced in the ACC. If they blow hard, call names, and throw a canniption fit, and nothing happened all you would hear from Greenboro would be a psalm of thanksgiving! But, Clemson excluded because of their relative silence, in my years of following NCAA football I've never heard a clamour from a team as noisy as F.S.U.'s that didn't end in a defection.

The sad thing is that the noise isn't really about the ACC. We all know that their fiscal budget last year was 2.5 million short, but what not many are reporting is that this June when this fiscal year ends they are expecting a much larger deficit than 2.5 million. They howled about the ACC contract because it is backloaded and the additional revenue they need will not be available for a few years. I imagine the howls are to cover the embarrassment over the mismanagement to which the administration should be held accountable.

F.S.U. needs a short term windfall to cover some executive backsides. That's why I believe they move even if no other ACC team does. JR

(05-29-2012 03:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:36 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Man. I was expecting more 'yes'.

It's almost split. Interesting.

There are many more ACC fans on the board than there are Big XII fans, TK. It's simple arithmatic...

There aren't as many ACC fans in the "no" group as you'd think.

(05-29-2012 09:07 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 08:52 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The only information presently available about Clemson and Florida State even considering a move is being pushed by bloggers with agendas. When credible media mentions the story, they reference the bloggers. There is absolutely no concrete evidence that The Big 12 is expanding less lone inviting two programs from The ACC to join. Until the AD and President of said ACC universities say we are going to The Big 12, I say it's all wishful thinking on a bunch of folks part.
CJ

When someone says that we've not been contacted yet, if we receive a viable option, a viable proposal, that is presented to us by any league, we will consider it- that's as concrete as anything out there that a school is looking. That came straight from the Clemson board of trustees. I don't think that's done by bloggers with agendas.

I'd question your objectivity being a Louisville fan. Your post seems to be full of agenda- just what you are saying your opposed to.

Agenda?
I personally don't believe The Big 12 will expand at all. Texas doesn't want it therefore it won't happen. Plain and simple deduction. Look at the poll on the front page of this thread. Even the expansion happy that visit here don't see it happening. Just say'n....
CJ

(05-29-2012 09:53 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:36 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Man. I was expecting more 'yes'.

It's almost split. Interesting.

There are many more ACC fans on the board than there are Big XII fans, TK. It's simple arithmatic...

There aren't as many ACC fans in the "no" group as you'd think.

I am actually surprised it is as equal as it is right now at 30 to 37 in favor of the moves not happening.

Most people are going to feel that moves of this extreme nature are just not going to happen because it is a pretty extreme move for institutions like this to make. They are generally not believed until they are actually happening. For this many people to believe it is going to happen this early on is quite astonishing.

I'd say in some ways it's not really early on. This move has been speculated here since really Feb- since the initial sports business article came out with the revised ACC figures.

(05-29-2012 09:58 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 09:53 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:36 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Man. I was expecting more 'yes'.

It's almost split. Interesting.

There are many more ACC fans on the board than there are Big XII fans, TK. It's simple arithmatic...

There aren't as many ACC fans in the "no" group as you'd think.

I am actually surprised it is as equal as it is right now at 30 to 37 in favor of the moves not happening.

Most people are going to feel that moves of this extreme nature are just not going to happen because it is a pretty extreme move for institutions like this to make. They are generally not believed until they are actually happening. For this many people to believe it is going to happen this early on is quite astonishing.

Almost all of the AD's across the ACC seem to think nothing will happen. Either they're stupid and/or naive, or this is much ado about nothing. I'm not going to pretend that there isn't legit beef within the ACC either. And I don't blame FSU and Clemson for wanting to leave.

This is simply one of those times when know one knows what's really going to happen. Wouldn't surprise me if the ACC blew up in the next 2 weeks and wouldn't surprise me if Notre Dame would have a sudden change of heart and joined the ACC.

Interesting times nonetheless.

(05-29-2012 09:54 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 09:07 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 08:52 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The only information presently available about Clemson and Florida State even considering a move is being pushed by bloggers with agendas. When credible media mentions the story, they reference the bloggers. There is absolutely no concrete evidence that The Big 12 is expanding less lone inviting two programs from The ACC to join. Until the AD and President of said ACC universities say we are going to The Big 12, I say it's all wishful thinking on a bunch of folks part.
CJ

When someone says that we've not been contacted yet, if we receive a viable option, a viable proposal, that is presented to us by any league, we will consider it- that's as concrete as anything out there that a school is looking. That came straight from the Clemson board of trustees. I don't think that's done by bloggers with agendas.

I'd question your objectivity being a Louisville fan. Your post seems to be full of agenda- just what you are saying your opposed to.

Agenda?
I personally don't believe The Big 12 will expand at all. Texas doesn't want it therefore it won't happen. Plain and simple deduction. Look at the poll on the front page of this thread. Even the expansion happy that visit here don't see it happening. Just say'n....
CJ

Hey Cardinal Jim, I was in a discussion today with some SEC folks I know from around the conference and one of them brought up an interesting fact. He pointed out that Louisville was in the top 20 prospects for profitability ahead of Florida State and Clemson, and for that matter every team in the ACC. His added that if the SEC ever did expand beyond 16 that he thought Louisville would get a good look. Provided of course that you were still available.

Since that was the first time Louisville's name has come up in any of the discussions I've had with others I thought you might like to know. Also the data should be interesting to the Big 12 as well. JR

(05-29-2012 10:11 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 09:58 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 09:53 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:36 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Man. I was expecting more 'yes'.

It's almost split. Interesting.

There are many more ACC fans on the board than there are Big XII fans, TK. It's simple arithmatic...

There aren't as many ACC fans in the "no" group as you'd think.

I am actually surprised it is as equal as it is right now at 30 to 37 in favor of the moves not happening.

Most people are going to feel that moves of this extreme nature are just not going to happen because it is a pretty extreme move for institutions like this to make. They are generally not believed until they are actually happening. For this many people to believe it is going to happen this early on is quite astonishing.

Almost all of the AD's across the ACC seem to think nothing will happen. Either they're stupid and/or naive, or this is much ado about nothing. I'm not going to pretend that there isn't legit beef within the ACC either. And I don't blame FSU and Clemson for wanting to leave.

This is simply one of those times when know one knows what's really going to happen. Wouldn't surprise me if the ACC blew up in the next 2 weeks and wouldn't surprise me if Notre Dame would have a sudden change of heart and joined the ACC.

Interesting times nonetheless.

Or, they are not able to say anything about what they do know or they are not told what is going on so they have plausible deniability. Who knows, maybe some of their bosses think they are horrible liars so they simply do not tell them? It is not like these schools and conferences are having direct meetings at this point. Its got to be all indirect. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on AD statements yet.

Let's do the math. If FSU is 2.5 mil underwater this season and 3.5 mil next they are short 6 mil dollars. If they announce a move their exit fee is payable immediately so now they are $26 mil in the red for this year and next. If travel costs are 2 mil higher per year over 12 years that is 24 million. Add to that the 20 million exit fee we are now at 44 mil in additional cost for the 12 year period. Divided by the 12 years is approximately 3.6 million per year. On the revenue side, we can safely estimate that FSU can make $5 mil per year more on average. The B12 deal is 20 mil per year the ACC's is 17 mil on average. It is reasonable to assume FSU could get $2 mil more for their tier 3 rights. Keep in mind they are already getting paid for radio rights, coaches shows, and other revenue generators that get lumped in with tier 3 rights. Save me the pie in the sky BS about additional teams raising the per team payout. It won't. ESPN isn't paying more money for less product. When you add that there is a look in clause in the ACC's contract every 5 years, the impact to FSU's fanbase, and the overall pain of switching conferences, and the inertia 1.4 mil per year isn't a compelling reason to move. Given that so much of the costs are frontloaded in the form of exit fees, that number probably needs to be $5 mil more per season net. Just the exit fee alone makes that nearly impossible. For all we know, in 5 years, the look in clause may even it out and then the buyout fees are just an unnecessary cost incurred by FSU. In order to make it worth their while the B12 nees to deliver between 8 and 9 mil per year more and I haven't seen any projection out there that can do that. The answer is no.

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the "Yes's" so far

BallstothewallsEagle, USM
BE Tex, Bosie
Big Frog II, TCU
bitcruncher, WVU
Blitz, Toledo
brista21, Rutgers
CardFan1, Louisville
Eagleweiser, USM
EERSFAN, WVU
FloridaJag, FSU
forphase1, Marshall
He1nousOne, Iowa
HP-TBDPITL, ?
jml2010, TT/UNT
JRsec, Auburn
Kaiser Frog, TCU
KittyHawkPirate, ECU
laxtonto, UNT/UT
lofi, WVU
Mr. Derfman, Old BE
OldGoldnBlue,WVU
PistolChad, OSU
RockChalkJayhawk, KU
Sammy11, Baylor
ShoreBuc, EUC
stever20, ?
SubGod22, WSU
TampaKnight, UCF
War Torn Ruston, Boise State
YA!, TCU
Zombiewoof ?


the "No's" so far

10thMountain, A&M
3drain, Memphis
AtlanticLeague, Maryland
BadWillHunting, Boise State
Bearcat2012, Cinci
blunderbuss, ECU
brunco, Syracuse
Bulldogs145, LT
Captain Bearcat, Cinci
CardinalJim, Louisville
cardshouse, Louisville
Chappy, ECU
Chris02M, Syracuse
chrisharper80, UH
CommuterBob, UCF
curtis0620, Pitt
Dr. Isaly von Yinzer, ?
Frank the Tank, B10
Frog in the Kitchen Sink, TCU
goodknightfl, UCF
gosports1, Big East
IceJus10, UNC
KNIGHTTIME, UCF
MattofNazareth, UH
mbppow, Memphis
ndlutz, Pitt
No Bull, UCF
nuftw, Nwestern
OrangeCrush22, Syracuse
orangefan, Syracuse
Orangemen, Syracuse
samandrea, UNC
Shannon Panther, Pitt
solohawks, UNC
TripleA, Memphis
ULdave, Louisville
WakeForestRanger, Wake
wildthing202, ND/Duke/BC
Wolfman, ?
XLance UNC

The only one that really doesn't have a vested interest in the Big 12 not expanding that voted "No" is the lone TCU fan. All the others would have some form of potential negative repercussions if FSU and Clemson does leave..

Say what you want, but with a distribution like this it is hard to say people are voting with their heads and more likely with their heart and pride.