Looking at Temple's schedule, they have only beaten one halfway decent team - - Navy. Everybody else they've beaten is incredibly putrid. Temple's wins: Buffalo, Eastern Michigan, Ball State, Army, Toledo, Navy, Miami OH, Akron and Kent.

I'd say the chances are good that just about every - if not every - BE team would run through that schedule undefeated pretty easily.

Not taking anything away from Temple, because its clearly a huge step up for them in any event, because they used to lose to these types of teams. But they still haven't shown they would finish anywhere but the BE basement if they were still in the league.

(11-23-2009 11:04 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Looking at Temple's schedule, they have only beaten one halfway decent team - - Navy. Everybody else they've beaten is incredibly putrid. Temple's wins: Buffalo, Eastern Michigan, Ball State, Army, Toledo, Navy, Miami OH, Akron and Kent.

I'd say the chances are good that just about every - if not every - BE team would run through that schedule undefeated pretty easily.

Not taking anything away from Temple, because its clearly a huge step up for them in any event, because they used to lose to these types of teams. But they still haven't shown they would finish anywhere but the BE basement if they were still in the league.

Congratulations on missing the point entirely. I expected better from someone in NoVA...

(11-24-2009 10:07 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  Congratulations on missing the point entirely. I expected better from someone in NoVA...

Why? There are some frightfully stupid people living in NoVa, trust me on this.

As for missing the point - I gave Temple their kudos. I think it's a great story that they are beating teams like Kent, Akron, Buffalo, etc.... teams they would lose to in the past. Ya gotta start somewhere.

Folks can keep denying Temple as much as they want. But if Temple gets their act together regarding winning program and attendance, you can bet your bottom dollar that they would be far and away the leader as far as BE expansion is concerned, and it wont even be close compared to the other candidates, that would except an invitation. If Temple becomes a winning fb program, they would then add winning fb and a historically strong bb program, which is something that no other candidate could say, and not to mention their market. Plus they were already once part of the BE.

(11-24-2009 10:22 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Folks can keep denying Temple as much as they want. But if Temple gets their act together regarding winning program and attendance, you can bet your bottom dollar that they would be far and away the leader as far as BE expansion is concerned, and it wont even be close compared to the other candidates, that would except an invitation. If Temple becomes a winning fb program, they would then add winning fb and a historically strong bb program, which is something that no other candidate could say, and not to mention their market. Plus they were already once part of the BE.

Market is nice, but market must fill that stadium, or at least get it to where 40,000 are in the Linc.

(11-24-2009 10:27 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-24-2009 10:22 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Folks can keep denying Temple as much as they want. But if Temple gets their act together regarding winning program and attendance, you can bet your bottom dollar that they would be far and away the leader as far as BE expansion is concerned, and it wont even be close compared to the other candidates, that would except an invitation. If Temple becomes a winning fb program, they would then add winning fb and a historically strong bb program, which is something that no other candidate could say, and not to mention their market. Plus they were already once part of the BE.

Market is nice, but market must fill that stadium, or at least get it to where 40,000 are in the Linc.

Progress takes time. You cannot expect a losing program that used to draw 4K a game to draw 40K+ a game instantaneously. We've gone from like 15K to 16K to 18K, and this is the first winning season. Expect a 4K+ increase on the average next year. If we keep winning, we'll be up to 30K+ in no time. Once people realize this program's success is here to stay, they'll show up in droves.

(11-24-2009 10:33 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(11-24-2009 10:27 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-24-2009 10:22 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Folks can keep denying Temple as much as they want. But if Temple gets their act together regarding winning program and attendance, you can bet your bottom dollar that they would be far and away the leader as far as BE expansion is concerned, and it wont even be close compared to the other candidates, that would except an invitation. If Temple becomes a winning fb program, they would then add winning fb and a historically strong bb program, which is something that no other candidate could say, and not to mention their market. Plus they were already once part of the BE.

Market is nice, but market must fill that stadium, or at least get it to where 40,000 are in the Linc.

Progress takes time. You cannot expect a losing program that used to draw 4K a game to draw 40K+ a game instantaneously. We've gone from like 15K to 16K to 18K, and this is the first winning season. Expect a 4K+ increase on the average next year. If we keep winning, we'll be up to 30K+ in no time. Once people realize this program's success is here to stay, they'll show up in droves.

I agree, I don't expect things overnight from Temple. I believe also that the Big East, if/when the time comes where expansion becomes ideal or necessary, should evaluate Temple at that point. I'd like to see 35K-40K on a consistent basis at the Linc before considering them.

(11-24-2009 10:37 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-24-2009 10:33 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(11-24-2009 10:27 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-24-2009 10:22 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Folks can keep denying Temple as much as they want. But if Temple gets their act together regarding winning program and attendance, you can bet your bottom dollar that they would be far and away the leader as far as BE expansion is concerned, and it wont even be close compared to the other candidates, that would except an invitation. If Temple becomes a winning fb program, they would then add winning fb and a historically strong bb program, which is something that no other candidate could say, and not to mention their market. Plus they were already once part of the BE.

Market is nice, but market must fill that stadium, or at least get it to where 40,000 are in the Linc.

Progress takes time. You cannot expect a losing program that used to draw 4K a game to draw 40K+ a game instantaneously. We've gone from like 15K to 16K to 18K, and this is the first winning season. Expect a 4K+ increase on the average next year. If we keep winning, we'll be up to 30K+ in no time. Once people realize this program's success is here to stay, they'll show up in droves.

I agree, I don't expect things overnight from Temple. I believe also that the Big East, if/when the time comes where expansion becomes ideal or necessary, should evaluate Temple at that point. I'd like to see 35K-40K on a consistent basis at the Linc before considering them.

Well we have what, 5 years until the BE is looking to expand? I guess it's possible to get 40K in that time, but I'd be more confident in 30K consistently. The bottom line is how horrible we have been and how we were at rock bottom and inches from going the way of the dodo. 30K would be miraculous.

(11-23-2009 10:30 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(11-23-2009 10:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Louisville's expansion is supposed to be ready for next season. I forget what it will raise the capacity to thought. It was supposed to go up to 55K (I think), but was reduced a bit due to budget considerations(if I'm not mistaken)...

56,000 seats will be ready in August.

I couldn't remember what the capacity was going to be. But wasn't it supoosed to be a bit larger?

Or was it Rutgers expansion that got reduced? I can't remember...

(11-24-2009 10:27 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-24-2009 10:22 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Folks can keep denying Temple as much as they want. But if Temple gets their act together regarding winning program and attendance, you can bet your bottom dollar that they would be far and away the leader as far as BE expansion is concerned, and it wont even be close compared to the other candidates, that would except an invitation. If Temple becomes a winning fb program, they would then add winning fb and a historically strong bb program, which is something that no other candidate could say, and not to mention their market. Plus they were already once part of the BE.

Market is nice, but market must fill that stadium, or at least get it to where 40,000 are in the Linc.

I agree, and thats why I did mention Temples attendance in my post. But speaking of markets, I would much rather have 10% of Temples market than 30% of any of the other expansion candidates markets. Folks seem to forget that Rutgers and Temple were very similar programs before Rutgers got their act together. If Rutgers can fill their stadium, then Temple certainly can get 40,000 to theirs. And they will if they continue to make advances the way they are now.

Can Temple really sustain this success with a new coach?
Every successful MAC coach moved to a better program.
If Temple can manage a low 30k for at least 3 or 4 years that would be an option to consider. Rather than a full revenue sharing we should consider tie basketball games but everything will be base on how committed they are to have a successful football program.

(11-24-2009 11:43 AM)SO#1 Wrote:  Can Temple really sustain this success with a new coach?
Every successful MAC coach moved to a better program.
If Temple can manage a low 30k for at least 3 or 4 years that would be an option to consider. Rather than a full revenue sharing we should consider tie basketball games but everything will be base on how committed they are to have a successful football program.

Yes.
Very. As I've said, our president went to Utah. No one is trying to kill off the football program now.

I think they can maintain this level of success as long as the ADMIN continues to pour money into the system. If they got a new ADMIN like the last when then the answer is no.

(11-24-2009 10:49 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(11-23-2009 10:30 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(11-23-2009 10:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Louisville's expansion is supposed to be ready for next season. I forget what it will raise the capacity to thought. It was supposed to go up to 55K (I think), but was reduced a bit due to budget considerations(if I'm not mistaken)...

56,000 seats will be ready in August.

I couldn't remember what the capacity was going to be. But wasn't it supoosed to be a bit larger?

Or was it Rutgers expansion that got reduced? I can't remember...

Both got reduced. Louisville was supposed to be in the neighborhood of 64K as I recall but has been reduced to 55K. Rutgers was supposed to be 55K but was reduced to 52K. We were going to reconstruct the north endzone to better match the new south endzone which in the process would have created an extra 3-4K seats, but the cost of doing that and only getting that extra 3-4K seats didn't add up given the economic climate.

Temple should get their fanbase to around 35K before BE can even consider them. They need to make a commitment to football. That being said, I hope they can rise and win MAC titles. They will be beaten badly in the BE. In the MAC, they got a good chance to make some noise.

Here is to looking forward to that UCONN/Temple game next year. Don't expect a win though Owls.

Temple's biggest problem is always going to be VIllanova.
Villanova will never let Temple in the BE not even for FB only. Frankly, Temple is the big brother in Philly and Villanova is the little brother. The little brother is trying its best not to let the big brother shine because the little brother will dissappear if that happens.

Temple has a huge alumni base and I certainly believe if they were winning in FB or BB, the fans would come out. As it is Villanova runs the city because they are in the BE. Put both schools on equal footing and Temple destroys Villanova as far as recruiting and fan support.

Villanova FB is also stepped up this year and doing well. In fact they beat Temple- one of Temple's two losses. That's something Temple should not have ever let happen. It would not surprise if Villanova stepped up to Div 1 just when it looked like Temple might an offer.

(11-24-2009 11:43 AM)SO#1 Wrote:  Rather than a full revenue sharing we should consider tie basketball games but everything will be base on how committed they are to have a successful football program.

We don't have revenue sharing now, that's why the other three left. Teams get paid differently depending if a game is on ABC or ESPN. Don't think they get beans from ESPNU or Big East Network.

Exapansion... imagine my surprise, despite Jackson clearly stating leaving expansion for a moment.

(11-24-2009 02:23 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  Temple should get their fanbase to around 35K before BE can even consider them. They need to make a commitment to football. That being said, I hope they can rise and win MAC titles. They will be beaten badly in the BE. In the MAC, they got a good chance to make some noise.

Here is to looking forward to that UCONN/Temple game next year. Don't expect a win though Owls.

Wow, I dont know where to start... 35K before even being considered? I think that's a bit much. Will be beaten badly in the BE? Based on what? Where did that come from anyway? Don't expect a win? We should've beaten you the last two times. Got robbed the first time and had a ****** kicker kill us the second time. Last time I checked, Donald Brown is in the NFL now. We'll be out for blood. Go Owls.

(11-24-2009 02:38 PM)frogman Wrote:  Temple's biggest problem is always going to be VIllanova.
Villanova will never let Temple in the BE not even for FB only. Frankly, Temple is the big brother in Philly and Villanova is the little brother. The little brother is trying its best not to let the big brother shine because the little brother will dissappear if that happens.

Temple has a huge alumni base and I certainly believe if they were winning in FB or BB, the fans would come out. As it is Villanova runs the city because they are in the BE. Put both schools on equal footing and Temple destroys Villanova as far as recruiting and fan support.

Villanova FB is also stepped up this year and doing well. In fact they beat Temple- one of Temple's two losses. That's something Temple should not have ever let happen. It would not surprise if Villanova stepped up to Div 1 just when it looked like Temple might an offer.

Our support for basketball has pretty much always been good. We averaged 6,100 last year and had the 8th largest increase in average in D-I. Started off this year with 7K for Siena. The football support also continues to improve.

And Nova doesn't have the ability to go FBS in football right now.

Temple had MAC talent in the BE. Now Temple has MAC talent in the MAC, so they are florishing. I don't understand whats the big deal is. Temples competition went down, so they are better now, period.