Well, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I will say, I do not, nor have I ever, trusted government. I realize it is, in some form, a necessary evil but for the most part government exists only to serve government.
(03-18-2009 09:49 AM)DrTorch Wrote: I understand your poing GGniner, the problem is that if officials in Missouri are looking at that end belief to use as a metric for terrorism affinity, or militia membership, then they have a flawed metric! Moreover, they are targetting the best citizens.
That sort of paranoia and overreaction is not what US or local gov'ts should be doing. In fact it puts them on that same plane as terrorists. Unbelievably ironic.
Notice they'll never go after an ethnic group with ideas such as these.
(03-18-2009 09:51 AM)Rebel Wrote: Well, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I will say, I do not, nor have I ever, trusted government. I realize it is, in some form, a necessary evil but for the most part government exists only to serve government.
thats the fine line between conservatism and John Birch Society looney toon land, one of them anyway.
agree this is not any different racial profiling or keeping an eye on whats going on in Mosque for example. Law Enforcement officers have been shot by some of these fruit loops, Tim McVeigh, etc.
the country is not healthy, we have people wanting to destablize it in some way, whether to advance Sharia Law or just because they beleive in every conspiracy theory under the sun, all of which have our Govt. involved in some way.
If you take the memo on its face value, I don't think its out of line to educate Officers about beleifs held in the community by some fringe groups. Whether Islamist or the Bircher crowd.
(This post was last modified: 03-18-2009 10:08 AM by GGniner.)
Yep, it has started .... the round up of Constitution Believing Citizens.
DOD no longer selling spent brass to ammo makers forcing them to cut jobs and production to stand still levels.
Spying on groups who Constitutionally gather and talk about and fire weapons - - I wonder why they aren't spying on all the sissy ass Golfers at these Gang-Bang Country Clubs .... there are a lot more of them Gathering Together and swinging those dangerous Clubs in the air !!!!!!!! ?????
And you bet cha I am just as suspicious of my lying Government as I am Osama bin Laden's bunch .... the only difference is the Map Location.
Our Constitution plainly states that "We are too put down any (ANY) and all Illegal Governments that do not serve the People using what ever means necessary" - -
Hey guys, the Feds have all the guns, soldiers, and ammo - - what are they trying to do to us here ????
You better look at this way way beyond you own nose and stop seeing this as some "Coo Coo Conspiracy Theory" .... this crap is for real and they are so bold now, that they don't even try to hide what they are doing any longer and it is a constant spit in our face.
The United States of America is a Constitutional Republic - - We are NOT a Democracy .... these Washington Fleas have gotten every one believing we are a Democratic Society that MUST list toward Big Boogie Man Government for all of our needs - - so we can be forever dependent on the Fed for our very lives.
We have a Constitutional Right to be FREE and that means Free from a Tyrannical or a Usurping Illegal Government .... and right now, it is on the down hill slope to both.
And why are you guys using Tim McVeigh as an example - - the guy was a CIA Op fresh out of the Military and the FBI & CIA used him TOO DEATH. They were up to their eyeballs in this mess and it was all to infiltrate one of these Militia Groups. McVeigh was a Fed Op Plant supposedly gathering evidence against Supremacist/Militia Groups and like Lee Harvey Oswald, McVeigh went down in flames to shut him up. (one place of Source Info is Bill Moyers of PBS !!!)
Where is the "Conspiracy" in that ???
Best read up on what really happened in Oklahoma City and how deep the Government is in that horrible deed .... little Timmy McVeigh did not do this all by his lonesome and not even with the other two, could he have managed this in such short of a time frame on this sort of massive scale.
Oh McVeigh was neck deep in the bombing, he was just some Bureaucrats Proxy come Boom Boom Day.
And Alex Jones is a screaming nut bag ... what does he have to do with Standing Up for your Constitutional Rights if it means to the death - - George Washington thought it to be PRETTY IMPORTANT as did all the other framers of the Federalist Papers/Constitution/Declaration of Independence ... et al
What I have to wonder about, is why all of us don't think to be AS Important as George, Ben, and Thom did ?????? HUH ?????
I don't support any of those things. The Army taking over homeland security? As a Coastie I know that it isn't a good idea to have combat oriented units doing our jobs on the borders and the seas.
Now one thing I am not for is this revolution business because it is just stupid crap. We have a right to peaceful means to get what we want. Violence is never the answer to a better Union.
(03-18-2009 12:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I don't support any of those things. The Army taking over homeland security? As a Coastie I know that it isn't a good idea to have combat oriented units doing our jobs on the borders and the seas.
Now one thing I am not for is this revolution business because it is just stupid crap. We have a right to peaceful means to get what we want. Violence is never the answer to a better Union.
What about when the "Union" pulls Violence on you first ??
What do you think we are going to have when all these Gulf War Theater Combat Vets are given an M4, a SAW, and all the Ordinance they need to control the City Streets of the United States and a bunch of Snobby Long Haired Ward Churchill Clones come running out to Protest and Spit on them ?? This ain't gonna be Kent State and the blood and guts will flow like wine - - you know this, Reb knows this and it ain't a good thing.
We are going to be in a world of big daddy doo doo and like you say, We don't want Combat Oriented Troops working the Streets of the USA unless the Russians and the Chinese have landed and we have a Ground War on Home Turf.
When they draw First Blood, then is it OK to fight back and remove the Illegal Government ??? As George, Ben, & Thom intended ...
(03-18-2009 09:45 AM)GGniner Wrote: 9/11 Truthers, NWO, Council of Foreign Relations conspiracies, Fed Reserve...'Jews control the world' conspiracies, Illuminati, etc....people that hold to these things tend to also hold some rational positions such as the Fair Tax, though they are coming to the positions from a different POV.
I understand your poing GGniner, the problem is that if officials in Missouri are looking at that end belief to use as a metric for terrorism affinity, or militia membership, then they have a flawed metric! Moreover, they are targetting the best citizens.
That sort of paranoia and overreaction is not what US or local gov'ts should be doing. In fact it puts them on that same plane as terrorists. Unbelievably ironic.
So there are "good" citizens and "bad" citizens? WHat makes a "good" citizen? Am I a "good" or "bad" citizen?
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A good citizen is one who pays his taxes and obeys the laws of the land. They also vote. Live by the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Yep, it has started .... the round up of Constitution Believing Citizens.
DOD no longer selling spent brass to ammo makers forcing them to cut jobs and production to stand still levels.
Spying on groups who Constitutionally gather and talk about and fire weapons - - I wonder why they aren't spying on all the sissy ass Golfers at these Gang-Bang Country Clubs .... there are a lot more of them Gathering Together and swinging those dangerous Clubs in the air !!!!!!!! ?????
And you bet cha I am just as suspicious of my lying Government as I am Osama bin Laden's bunch .... the only difference is the Map Location.
Our Constitution plainly states that "We are too put down any (ANY) and all Illegal Governments that do not serve the People using what ever means necessary" - -
Hey guys, the Feds have all the guns, soldiers, and ammo - - what are they trying to do to us here ????
You better look at this way way beyond you own nose and stop seeing this as some "Coo Coo Conspiracy Theory" .... this crap is for real and they are so bold now, that they don't even try to hide what they are doing any longer and it is a constant spit in our face.
The United States of America is a Constitutional Republic - - We are NOT a Democracy .... these Washington Fleas have gotten every one believing we are a Democratic Society that MUST list toward Big Boogie Man Government for all of our needs - - so we can be forever dependent on the Fed for our very lives.
We have a Constitutional Right to be FREE and that means Free from a Tyrannical or a Usurping Illegal Government .... and right now, it is on the down hill slope to both.
And why are you guys using Tim McVeigh as an example - - the guy was a CIA Op fresh out of the Military and the FBI & CIA used him TOO DEATH. They were up to their eyeballs in this mess and it was all to infiltrate one of these Militia Groups. McVeigh was a Fed Op Plant supposedly gathering evidence against Supremacist/Militia Groups and like Lee Harvey Oswald, McVeigh went down in flames to shut him up. (one place of Source Info is Bill Moyers of PBS !!!)
Where is the "Conspiracy" in that ???
Best read up on what really happened in Oklahoma City and how deep the Government is in that horrible deed .... little Timmy McVeigh did not do this all by his lonesome and not even with the other two, could he have managed this in such short of a time frame on this sort of massive scale.
Oh McVeigh was neck deep in the bombing, he was just some Bureaucrats Proxy come Boom Boom Day.
And Alex Jones is a screaming nut bag ... what does he have to do with Standing Up for your Constitutional Rights if it means to the death - - George Washington thought it to be PRETTY IMPORTANT as did all the other framers of the Federalist Papers/Constitution/Declaration of Independence ... et al
What I have to wonder about, is why all of us don't think to be AS Important as George, Ben, and Thom did ?????? HUH ?????
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Be careful there Trippy. Blah might take exception to your comments(note the bold words).
THe Feds have all the guns and ammo? I am not sure about that. You seem to have enough to keep yourself protected from the government for quite a while in a standoff.
I have read several of the posts mentioning McVeigh but I have not read anyone of them linking it to Iraq. Sounds like you guys need to get over to the righties talking points site to update youselves to the newest updates to why we attacked Iraq.
(03-18-2009 01:35 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: Why do you think that teachers just want to lead your kids in a line? They do their jobs.
Ever disagree w/ a teacher? Even when a teacher does something EXPLICITLY wrong, they won't admit it, let alone change. And the administration backs them. It's like a labor union... oh wait,
I'm sure most teachers have some nobless oblige and they think they're doing a good job. But few US students are rugged indivualists, pioneering in new fields, or competitive in the international landscape.
I've had teachers that do it both ways. My experience with teachers is that they are like most union members; they're members but they aren't active. What are your personal experiences with teachers? Were you personally wronged? They wake up every morning like all of the rest of us working stiffs and do exactly what is mandated.
(03-18-2009 01:57 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I've had teachers that do it both ways. My experience with teachers is that they are like most union members; they're members but they aren't active. What are your personal experiences with teachers? Were you personally wronged? They wake up every morning like all of the rest of us working stiffs and do exactly what is mandated.
That's an odd phrasing.
Teachers do what they want to do. Obviously most are reasonably sane, and they like what they're doing, so kids get taught.
When a teacher has a dumb idea, they make mistakes. We all do that. Only when my boss tells me not to do that again, it's in my best interest to listen. Few teachers do.
My most recent experience comes from when my older son was in public school. I can cite a variety of examples, including ones that explicitly violated safety measures. Another obvious one is when we kept him from a field trip to some "multicultural" stage presentation, the teacher's comment, "Not my baby!" and her subsequent actions to penalize us for that decison, certainly cemented my views.
I have read several of the posts mentioning McVeigh but I have not read anyone of them linking it to Iraq. Sounds like you guys need to get over to the righties talking points site to update youselves to the newest updates to why we attacked Iraq.
