esayem Wrote:Oh wait, I just got a telegram from David Kryzakowski, he says:

"I think the ACC should invite ECU and Delaware. Then it will be:
Maryland-Delaware
ECU-NC State"

animus Wrote:

texasorange Wrote:But then, a few weeks ago, they were talking about a Big East Lacrosse Conference. Something doesn't add up. Why would Notre Dame, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova & Rutgers be talking about possibly playing lacrosse as a Big East sport if the conference is going to split?

my thoughts exactly

correct.. the split now only exist in the minds of some fans..

CatsClaw Wrote:

Ace Barker Wrote:Seems to me to get to 12 teams, the Big East grabs. Memphis, UCF, Temple, either FAU or UNC-Charlotte.

Ace...

Why would we add a THIRD Florida school? And why add a Division I-AA Carolina school when there is already a proven Carolina school asking to join the Big East?

I figure by the time the Big East expands, UNC-Charlotte will be 1-A. You get a major city in the Southeast, decent basketball, and other sports. With FAU you get recruiting in t the Miami area and Howard of course.

Memphis and Temple give you good BBall. I like to think outside the box. Everyone thinks ECU and Marshall. I just don't see it.

Ace...

texasorange Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

texasorange Wrote:I thought the "split" could happen in the next few years. With the rumors out there about Memphis, ECU, UCF, etc., etc., it sounds like maybe something is happening.

But then, a few weeks ago, they were talking about a Big East Lacrosse Conference. Something doesn't add up. Why would Notre Dame, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova & Rutgers be talking about possibly playing lacrosse as a Big East sport if the conference is going to split?

Just because they're talking about Lacrosse doesn't mean there is no split. non-revenue sports are not like the revenue sports. Kentucky's soccer team I believe is in C-USA. This talk of a Lacrosse conference means nothing. The Lacrosse teams could stay in their own conference with or without the Big East.

I get what you're saying, but something still doesn't sound right. Notre Dame has been trying to get all Big East lacrosse teams to play within the conference. Syracuse, which has been independent, has been against this because they don't want to stop playing games against traditional rivals (like John Hopkins, Princeton, Penn, & Cornell). As one of the elite lacrosse programs in the NCAA (9 National Championships, 22 consecutive Final Four appearances), they are considered the lynchpin. Why would they start considering Notre Dames proposals now if a split is imminent? Why wouldn't they just stay independant? It just seems odd.

More then likely Notre Dame is doing everything they can to make sure that the conference doesn't split. Also, you need to keep in mind that even with the Big East constructed as it is now, the Big East didn't have a Lacrosse conference. So why not form a conference right now and save money on travel expenses? Even if the Big East splits that Lacrosse conference is staying together. Most likely if the conferences split the football side wouldn't have a Lacrosse conference so get one together now that is independent of the Big East in a way.

goodknightfl Wrote:

animus Wrote:

texasorange Wrote:But then, a few weeks ago, they were talking about a Big East Lacrosse Conference. Something doesn't add up. Why would Notre Dame, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova & Rutgers be talking about possibly playing lacrosse as a Big East sport if the conference is going to split?

my thoughts exactly

correct.. the split now only exist in the minds of some fans..

And apparently the Big East as well or they wouldn't have put a split clause in the contract. Ooops, I guess you forgot that.

CatsClaw Wrote:More then likely Notre Dame is doing everything they can to make sure that the conference doesn't split. Also, you need to keep in mind that even with the Big East constructed as it is now, the Big East didn't have a Lacrosse conference. So why not form a conference right now and save money on travel expenses? Even if the Big East splits that Lacrosse conference is staying together. Most likely if the conferences split the football side wouldn't have a Lacrosse conference so get one together now that is independent of the Big East in a way.

Again, I get what you're saying but since Syracuse has, in the past, no desire to leave it's independant status in lacrosse, and since it has been Notre Dame pushing for the current seven schools to play lacrosse under the Big East label; why would Syracuse, only now, start listening to Notre Dame about playing in a conference?

If a split were imminent, Syracuse would have just ignored this latest proposal. But they aren't ignoring it. They are, for the first time, contemplating it. Why? Is a split coming, but SU officials don't know about it?

The other schools playing lacrosse right now are Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, St. Johns, Notre Dame, Rutgers & Syracuse. You need a minimum of six teams to play under a conference (I think this is an NCAA rule). Syracuse is key since they are an elite team. If a split were coming soon Syracuse would not be willing to consider this latest proposal.

If, at the upcoming Big East meetings, they do agree to form a Big East Lacrosse Conference, I don't think a split is going to happen. At least not any time soon. Just my thoughts as I think this through while looking at the big picture.

CatsClaw Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:

animus Wrote:

texasorange Wrote:But then, a few weeks ago, they were talking about a Big East Lacrosse Conference. Something doesn't add up. Why would Notre Dame, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova & Rutgers be talking about possibly playing lacrosse as a Big East sport if the conference is going to split?

my thoughts exactly

correct.. the split now only exist in the minds of some fans..

And apparently the Big East as well or they wouldn't have put a split clause in the contract. Ooops, I guess you forgot that.

You mean the agreement signed before any of the football schools knew the BCS bid was secure? Yeah, I think you know why a firm promise to stick together could not be guaranteed.


Lacrosse isn't just an attempt to keep the league together. Talk among the lax boards is that it's coming from Notre Dame trying to raise its status and lacrosse supporters at Providence and Villanova to fund scholarships.
The recent creation of the Northeast Conference leaves the conferences of Villanova and Notre Dame without their autobids unless there's some realignment. While it would seem that would encourage a BE conference, the CAA free agents could tempt less committed BE squads away.

In the long scheme of things, Lacrosse will take care of itself. Those schools who have invested in good programs will work together, but I wouldn't let it detract from the main issue. Lacrosse is a stupid reason to keep the conference as is, when there are so many more relevant issues facing the future of The BEast.

Lacrosse is very popular among it's enthusiasts - even more so than other sports. But it holds the attention of a small percentage of NCAA schools (expensive ones).

Conference lacrosse? Duke, UVa, Maryland and Carolina form the base of a pretty good league.
One would think that the Big East would have already made lacrosse a conference sport.

Like I said, expensive schools. Tuition is less expensive almost anywhere else.

XLance Wrote:Conference lacrosse? Duke, UVa, Maryland and Carolina form the base of a pretty good league.
One would think that the Big East would have already made lacrosse a conference sport.

Actually, I would have thought the ACC would have a legitimate lacrosse conference of at least 6 teams by now - considering those teams you mention above.

Strange that two of NC State, Wake, BC, and VT haven't gotten on board just yet.

Cheers,
Neil

Just because Syracuse is in talks about adding lacrosse to the conference does not mean a split is not on the near horizon. Even after a split, Syr may still wish to run with the BB only schools for lacrosse only especially if no other FB schools but Rutgers play lacrosse. We're splitting the conference for financial and logistical reasons, we're not kicking our long time conference partners to the curb. We can split and still be the best of friends.

Syracuse can do what they like. In football, they're irrelevant these days.

bitcruncher Wrote:Syracuse can do what they like. In football, they're irrelevant these days.

Ah, typical bit!

Missing the forest for the trees.

Keep posting these inane one-liners, my friend. You may catch CatsClaw yet in number of posts.

Of course, the majority of them weren't worth reading, but who cares?

Cheers,
Neil

But things often change.

irrelevant these days can be relevant tomorrow and vice versa- just ask Miami.

omnicarrier Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:Syracuse can do what they like. In football, they're irrelevant these days.

Ah, typical bit!

Missing the forest for the trees.

Keep posting these inane one-liners, my friend. You may catch CatsClaw yet in number of posts.

Of course, the majority of them weren't worth reading, but who cares?

Cheers,
Neil

That's one opinion, Neil. I feel the same about most of your posts. Let's just agree to disagree.

omnicarrier Wrote:

XLance Wrote:Conference lacrosse? Duke, UVa, Maryland and Carolina form the base of a pretty good league.
One would think that the Big East would have already made lacrosse a conference sport.

Actually, I would have thought the ACC would have a legitimate lacrosse conference of at least 6 teams by now - considering those teams you mention above.

Strange that two of NC State, Wake, BC, and VT haven't gotten on board just yet.

Cheers,
Neil

I would have thought so too, Neil. I guess it's just a question of $$$$$$. As you know it is not possible to add just one sport anymore, you have to add them in pairs (title 9). I guess that Va. Tech and BC (which already have women's lacrosse) just can't find another women's sport if they add men's lax (or don't want to pay for it).
But the ACC does have a conference championship with only 4 teams.

frogman Wrote:Syr may still wish to run with the BB only schools for lacrosse only especially if no other FB schools but Rutgers play lacrosse.

Louisville and Connecticut are potential lacrosse additions.

UConn's lack of lacrosse has bothered me. They're the only large state school between Boston and North Carolina without the sport.