golden child Wrote:Essentially, the BE "northeast" presence is a New York presence, and NY is not a college football hot-bed.
In contrast, the ACC has BC, giving them the Boston market, arguably the capital of the northeast.
The ACC also has Maryland, which gets heavy coverage in Baltimore and Washington DC, which are on the margins of the northeast.
And in the south, the ACC has the Atlanta and Miami markets as well.

So add it up and it seems that the ACC has about as much northeast presence as the BE, and in terms of media markets the ACC has Baltimore-Washington, Miami, Atlanta, and Boston - arguably bigger media markets than Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Louisville, Syracuse-Buffalo, and giving Uconn/Rutgers partial credit for NYC.

You must be from the south and have never been in the northeast. Bostonians don't care about BC. Like NYC, BOston is a pro sports city.
You calling Boston the "capital" of the northeast- tells me you have no clue what you are talking about. Even Bostonians would laugh at that comment. Where did you get that idea from?

The best football in the north east come out of New Jersey. Take if from a person who lived in the markets.

BC certainly was not in the capital of the northeast when they were in the BE, but you can make them more than they have ever been. Here, let this link help you know what you are talking about for next time. You already blew it his time.

http://www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/...by_DMA.asp

Notice that the NY market is more than three times the size of Boston.
In addition, UGA owns Atlanta not Ga. Tech. At best they share that market. (Though UGA is set in Athens, just outside of Atlanta. UGA rules the ATL. IN fact I'm in Atlanta right now. That's how I know.) As does Clemson share it's market with a better football conference. And Miami is more northeast than south in spite of it's location. People in Miami care about NYC, they don't care about Ga. and North Carolina. They are not southerners. Clearly, Miami has fallen off the map since leaving the BE. But they will just have to settle for the USF schedule.

TO the ACC fan in you. Having Boston and keeping Boston happy is two different things. BC fans could care less about the ACC (Ga. Tech and the like.) They followed the money only to find out that they are the money in that conference.

and Syracuse/Buffalo. What are you talking about. Check the distance between Syracuse and Buffalo. Syr. is central NY and Buffalo is just about in Canada. There is no Syr/Buffalo market.

But you post is just another "the ACC is great and we're really winning" post. Yea- well..... I guess you guys are just tearing it up.

1) Granted, Boston is a pro sports town. But you push the point too far when you say Bostonians don't care about BC? They sure do. Far more than New Yorkers care about Rutgers or UConn. Posting a link to a map showing NYC being 3x Boston is thus pretty meaningless.

2) Granted, GT shares ATL with UGA, and of course UGA gets far more statewide, but GT does get lots of coverage in ATL, an important media market.

3) I was surprised when you claimed Miami is more "northeast than south" in spite of its location. If so, that means you are crediting the ACC with another 'Northeastern' city, further undermining Big East claims of dominance there.

4) Ok, i'll take your word for it that the Cuse gets little coverage in Buffalo - another strike against Big East dominance in the NE.

5) You say my post is "ACC is great"? LOL. Please read the last sentence i posted.

My point was that neither the BE or ACC dominates any region of the country.

And that's true.

EvilVodkaX Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:

frogman Wrote:I think one thing he left out though is that the ACC is in the footprint of the nations top FB conference the SEC. The BE is the top conference in its northeast footprint but the ACC is number two in the south.

I think both the Big East and ACC suffer footprint-wise. In every state where their footprint and that of other BCS conferences overlap, the BE/ACC has the inferior (in terms of institution size, prestige, and athletic legacy) affiliation.

Examples:

Florida: the SEC has the flagship university, the ACC has UM and FSU, the BE has USF.

Kentucky: the SEC has the flagship university, the BE has louisville

South Carolina: the SEC has the flagship university, the ACC has clemson.

Georgia: the SEC has the flagship university, the ACC has georgia tech.

The ACC has flagship universities in north carolina, virginia, and maryland. The BE has flagship universities in new Jersey, connecticut, and west virginia.

The above examples that I put in bold are bogus...FSU and Miami certainly are not in the shadow of Florida...

Clemson and Georgia Tech are very similar to their neighbors, and are SEC-type schools...Georgia Tech used to be in the SEC

Louisville certiainly isn't in the shadow of Kentucky...both West Virginia and Louisville are SEC-type schools, and have been talked about as SEC expansion possibilities

your flagship theory just doesn't work in every state...who's the flagship university in Indiana? how bout California?

Sounds like you don't live DOWN SOUTH.

Georgia DOMINATES almost the entire state of GEORGIA...INCLUDING Atlanta...even though Ga Tech is located IN Atlanta.

Univ of South Carolina...located in the State Capital of South Carolina and in the largest Metro Area of South Carolina...and USC basically DOMINATES over 2/3 of the State of SC.

FSU and Miami?

Miami is a private school...and FSU use to be a GIRLS School till 1948!

UF has ALWAYS been the FLAGSHIP school in FLA and that will never ever change.

From having the most fans in the state (generations have cheered on the Gators) to have the highest ranked academic programs in the state...UF is the KING in FLA...regardless what FSU and Miami do.

Props to the person who posted the original info...as that person was DEAD-ON...however...just because one HUGE State Flagship school exists...doesn't mean others can't succeed as well. (i.e. Clemson has much stronger football success in the past vs what USC has been able to accomplish...and the Canes in Miami have five...that's FIVE National Titles to UF's 2...but obviously...UF is on a roll with back-to-back Hoop Championships...and winners of the '06 Football Title as well.)

golden child Wrote:1) Granted, Boston is a pro sports town. But you push the point too far when you say Bostonians don't care about BC? They sure do. Far more than New Yorkers care about Rutgers or UConn. Posting a link to a map showing NYC being 3x Boston is thus pretty meaningless.

2) Granted, GT shares ATL with UGA, and of course UGA gets far more statewide, but GT does get lots of coverage in ATL, an important media market.

3) I was surprised when you claimed Miami is more "northeast than south" in spite of its location. If so, that means you are crediting the ACC with another 'Northeastern' city, further undermining Big East claims of dominance there.

4) Ok, i'll take your word for it that the Cuse gets little coverage in Buffalo - another strike against Big East dominance in the NE.

5) You say my post is "ACC is great"? LOL. Please read the last sentence i posted.

My point was that neither the BE or ACC dominates any region of the country.

And that's true.

You read what you wrote right? Seriously, no one in Boston gives a crap about BC. I might be from Jersey but my roots run into New England too. Half my family is from Boston, my dad grew up there, I spend alot of time there. Noone and I mean noone cares about BC. What idiots like you don't realize and I work in this industry is that New York means alot more than the 5 boroughs. North and Central NJ are part of the New York market. Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, Nassau, and Suffolk Counties are part of the New York City market. Southeastern CT is part of the NYC market. And yes they care about Rutgers and UConn. Rutgers football and UConn basketball are huge.

Goldenchild,


You win. I'm out.
But whatever the ACC has it's not working and hasn't been working. The SEC is in the same footprint as the ACC and they are working very well. How is that? Now the conference from the football talent saturated south is being dominated by a northeastern school and a northeastern conference. Why isn't the ACC working is the real question.

Stop bragging about how much you got. The best of what you got you stole anyways and it's still not working for you. Where would the ACC be without the BE. The truth is the core of the ACC, the southern teams, still suck and always have.


P.S. do you think the DC market will ever get tired of WVU beating up on MD. Now here comes Rutgers with some of the same. Now everybody in NYC will see the BE beat down the ACC again.

Why argue over the size of your markets, that's just the more people who can watch you lose.

frogman Wrote:Goldenchild,

You win. I'm out.
But whatever the ACC has it's not working and hasn't been working. The SEC is in the same footprint as the ACC and they are working very well.

True, the ACC is at low ebb right now. But what makes you think i'm pro-ACC?

I was just taking issue with the claim that the BE has more footprint-region dominance *than the ACC*, not that the ACC is strong in that department (they're not).

Heck, both the BE and ACC lack a true 'footprint' since there areas are non-contiguous (massachusetts is separated from the other ACC states; Florida from the rest of the BE states).

I'm a C-USA fan, so i know all about scattershot 'footprints'.

KnightLight Wrote:

EvilVodkaX Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:

frogman Wrote:I think one thing he left out though is that the ACC is in the footprint of the nations top FB conference the SEC. The BE is the top conference in its northeast footprint but the ACC is number two in the south.

I think both the Big East and ACC suffer footprint-wise. In every state where their footprint and that of other BCS conferences overlap, the BE/ACC has the inferior (in terms of institution size, prestige, and athletic legacy) affiliation.

Examples:

Florida: the SEC has the flagship university, the ACC has UM and FSU, the BE has USF.

Kentucky: the SEC has the flagship university, the BE has louisville

South Carolina: the SEC has the flagship university, the ACC has clemson.

Georgia: the SEC has the flagship university, the ACC has georgia tech.

The ACC has flagship universities in north carolina, virginia, and maryland. The BE has flagship universities in new Jersey, connecticut, and west virginia.

The above examples that I put in bold are bogus...FSU and Miami certainly are not in the shadow of Florida...

Clemson and Georgia Tech are very similar to their neighbors, and are SEC-type schools...Georgia Tech used to be in the SEC

Louisville certiainly isn't in the shadow of Kentucky...both West Virginia and Louisville are SEC-type schools, and have been talked about as SEC expansion possibilities

your flagship theory just doesn't work in every state...who's the flagship university in Indiana? how bout California?

Sounds like you don't live DOWN SOUTH.

Georgia DOMINATES almost the entire state of GEORGIA...INCLUDING Atlanta...even though Ga Tech is located IN Atlanta.

Univ of South Carolina...located in the State Capital of South Carolina and in the largest Metro Area of South Carolina...and USC basically DOMINATES over 2/3 of the State of SC.

FSU and Miami?

Miami is a private school...and FSU use to be a GIRLS School till 1948!

UF has ALWAYS been the FLAGSHIP school in FLA and that will never ever change.

From having the most fans in the state (generations have cheered on the Gators) to have the highest ranked academic programs in the state...UF is the KING in FLA...regardless what FSU and Miami do.

Props to the person who posted the original info...as that person was DEAD-ON...however...just because one HUGE State Flagship school exists...doesn't mean others can't succeed as well. (i.e. Clemson has much stronger football success in the past vs what USC has been able to accomplish...and the Canes in Miami have five...that's FIVE National Titles to UF's 2...but obviously...UF is on a roll with back-to-back Hoop Championships...and winners of the '06 Football Title as well.)

well, from a BCS perspective, they're all equal interchangable lego pieces with the same value...so the flagship status isn't really relevant...GT used to be in the SEC, flagship or no

And FSU and Miami just aren't in the shadow of Florida no matter how much you think they are...both FSU and Miami athletics have national prominence

frogman Wrote:(1) Now the conference from the football talent saturated south is being dominated by a northeastern school and a northeastern conference. Why isn't the ACC working is the real question.

(2) Stop bragging about how much you got. The best of what you got you stole anyways and it's still not working for you. Where would the ACC be without the BE. The truth is the core of the ACC, the southern teams, still suck and always have.

(3) P.S. do you think the DC market will ever get tired of WVU beating up on MD. Now here comes Rutgers with some of the same. Now everybody in NYC will see the BE beat down the ACC again.

(4) Why argue over the size of your markets, that's just the more people who can watch you lose.

you have the most subjective bias answers...its pretty obvious you're jealous of the ACC

I'm going to address each of your points (which I've numbered for you!)

1. The ACC is working...you can't take credit for a team in the ACC just because they used to be in the Big East and they're in the northeast...

2. Both Georgia Tech and Clemson have won National Championships...alot of programs would love to "suck" as much as they do...

3. Most people in DC and NYC are probably watching the NFL or MLB...Rutgers is doing an amazing job getting as much publicity in NYC, but most new yorkers are probably watching the Yankees right now

4. you just bragged about your markets in point 3 lol

golden child Wrote:Not sure about that. Look at the BE football schools and their relationship to the north east:

USF: not in NE

Louisville: not in NE

WV: not in NE

Pitt: arguably on margin of NE, but less so than Penn State, which dominates media coverage in that state, including Philadelphia.

Cincinnatti: not in NE

The only Big East schools that can be called "north east" are Rutgers, Syracuse, and Uconn. None of those are in big media markets, though Rutgers and UConn get some coverage in NYC and Syracuse in Buffalo.

Essentially, the BE "northeast" presence is a New York presence, and NY is not a college football hot-bed.

In contrast, the ACC has BC, giving them the Boston market, arguably the capital of the northeast.

the ACC also has Maryland, which gets heavy coverage in Baltimore and Washington DC, which are on the margins of the northeast.

And in the south, the ACC has the Atlanta and Miami markets as well.

So add it up and it seems that the ACC has about as much northeast presence as the BE, and in terms of media markets the ACC has Baltimore-Washington, Miami, Atlanta, and Boston - arguably bigger media markets than Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Louisville, Syracuse-Buffalo, and giving Uconn/Rutgers partial credit for NYC.

Seems to me that neither conference dominates any regions, both are scatter-shot over a lot of area, and as stevej5 notes, where they do overlap with the SEC or Big 10, it's to their disadvantage.

A little geography lesson for you Golden Child. Pennsylvania is a northeast state ans Pitt is assurably a northeast city. WVU is on the margin of the NE being 90 miles from Pittsburgh. The old Eastern Indys were Pitt, PSU, WVU, Syracuse, Temple, Rutgers and BC. Cincy has a long standing relationship with a number of those schools. There are 4 schools Pitt, Cuse, Rutgers, and UConn that are in the NE. WVU is a traditional foe of the NE teams. That leave 2 in the midwest UC & UL and one in FL which is culturally NE. The schools have a great deal in common both in scope and history together. USF is the notable exception but they have been a FB school for about a decade.

Shannon Panther Wrote:A little geography lesson for you Golden Child. Pennsylvania is a northeast state ans Pitt is assurably a northeast city. WVU is on the margin of the NE being 90 miles from Pittsburgh. The old Eastern Indys were Pitt, PSU, WVU, Syracuse, Temple, Rutgers and BC. Cincy has a long standing relationship with a number of those schools. There are 4 schools Pitt, Cuse, Rutgers, and UConn that are in the NE. WVU is a traditional foe of the NE teams. That leave 2 in the midwest UC & UL and one in FL which is culturally NE. The schools have a great deal in common both in scope and history together. USF is the notable exception but they have been a FB school for about a decade.

Sorry, but western PA is at best (like i said) on the very margin of the NE if at all, and even if we say it is, we then have to concede that Penn State is part of the "northeast" too, and surely Penn State dominates PA coverage compared to Pitt.

And sorry again, but anyone who claims West Virginia is on the margin of the NE has no business giving anyone else geography lessons.

The BE's "northeast" presence is comprised of Syracuse, Rutgers, and Uconn, and that just isn't much of a presence, certainly not enough to dominate the region, in the presence of schools such as BC and Penn State.

EvilVodkaX Wrote:you have the most subjective bias answers...its pretty obvious you're jealous of the ACC

I'm going to address each of your points (which I've numbered for you!)

1. The ACC is working...you can't take credit for a team in the ACC just because they used to be in the Big East and they're in the northeast...

2. Both Georgia Tech and Clemson have won National Championships...alot of programs would love to "suck" as much as they do...

3. Most people in DC and NYC are probably watching the NFL or MLB...Rutgers is doing an amazing job getting as much publicity in NYC, but most new yorkers are probably watching the Yankees right now

4. you just bragged about your markets in point 3 lol

O-k I'm back because I'm sooooo jealous of the ACC I can't leave them alone. That's why I'm on the BE board everyday because I'm jealous of the ACC.

I'm going to respond to your points and thanks for numbering them for me.

1. The ACC is NOT working. You summed it up yourself when you said "A team" in answer number one. A team is working, so it seems so far, in the ACC but the conference is not working. Swofford claimed to be building a superconference, some said the best conference inthe land, and now you have "A Team" that is doing well but not really well if you consider they only have three conference wins and an extremely weak OOC schedule. How far can they go. Swofford can't sell the ACC on one one team that is not even located in the south, the heart of the ACC. Swofford's super conference is rated the lowest BCS conference on every measure. My friend, put down the pipe, just say no to that stuff you're smoking, the ACC is NOT working.

2. Heck, Syracuse has won a national championship in both FB and BB. Maybe we'll use our championship banner to scare UofL when they come to the dome this weekend. Maybe we should have brought it out after Ill trashed us last weekend. Unfortunately those NC champs guys at Syracuse have all graduated and moved on. Same is true of the champs at Miami, Ga. Tech and Clemson and FSU. IS Swofford building a conference to boast about past success of building for the future and present?

3.New Yorkers will tune in to watch MD and RU. It's on ABC so everybody will get the game. New Yorkers love a good laugh as do I.

4. I don't know if I bragged but I do know most BE teams are winning so our markets are looking at a winner not a loser. I know Syracuse is a loser but Syracuse is "A team" not a conference. Our conference is doing well. Way better than expected.

But I'm jealous. I wish we could be in last place like the ACC. I wish we lost both our BCS and bowl games to you guys instead of winning them. I wish all the action was on the ACC NCAABBS board and the BE board was dead but all the action is on the BE board and the ACC boards are dead. You ACC guys get all the breaks. I'm just jealous.

No matter where BC or the ACC champ finishes, they have to win their BCS game against another conference's BCS champion- a feat no ACC champ has accomplished this century. Now that really makes me jealous.

brista21 Wrote:

golden child Wrote:1) Granted, Boston is a pro sports town. But you push the point too far when you say Bostonians don't care about BC? They sure do. Far more than New Yorkers care about Rutgers or UConn. Posting a link to a map showing NYC being 3x Boston is thus pretty meaningless.

2) Granted, GT shares ATL with UGA, and of course UGA gets far more statewide, but GT does get lots of coverage in ATL, an important media market.

3) I was surprised when you claimed Miami is more "northeast than south" in spite of its location. If so, that means you are crediting the ACC with another 'Northeastern' city, further undermining Big East claims of dominance there.

4) Ok, i'll take your word for it that the Cuse gets little coverage in Buffalo - another strike against Big East dominance in the NE.

5) You say my post is "ACC is great"? LOL. Please read the last sentence i posted.

My point was that neither the BE or ACC dominates any region of the country.

And that's true.

You read what you wrote right? Seriously, no one in Boston gives a crap about BC. I might be from Jersey but my roots run into New England too. Half my family is from Boston, my dad grew up there, I spend alot of time there. Noone and I mean noone cares about BC. What idiots like you don't realize and I work in this industry is that New York means alot more than the 5 boroughs. North and Central NJ are part of the New York market. Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, Nassau, and Suffolk Counties are part of the New York City market. Southeastern CT is part of the NYC market. And yes they care about Rutgers and UConn. Rutgers football and UConn basketball are huge.

NYC can support a lot of teams, they just haven't had much reason to follow college football. With the rise of Rutgers and growth of UCONN, it's getting exciting here. Syracuse even has a footprint in NYC with a strong alumni base and people follow the school since it's in New York State. Cable channels even air local programming about 'Cuse sports here. It's a three-team town here in NYC with Rutgers building a lot of enthuisiasm in New York.

Rutgers also has some excitement in the Philly market, so I would say the Big East has a grasp on the Northeast.

Stop bitching.

Orange Eagles Wrote:

brista21 Wrote:

golden child Wrote:1) Granted, Boston is a pro sports town. But you push the point too far when you say Bostonians don't care about BC? They sure do. Far more than New Yorkers care about Rutgers or UConn. Posting a link to a map showing NYC being 3x Boston is thus pretty meaningless.

2) Granted, GT shares ATL with UGA, and of course UGA gets far more statewide, but GT does get lots of coverage in ATL, an important media market.

3) I was surprised when you claimed Miami is more "northeast than south" in spite of its location. If so, that means you are crediting the ACC with another 'Northeastern' city, further undermining Big East claims of dominance there.

4) Ok, i'll take your word for it that the Cuse gets little coverage in Buffalo - another strike against Big East dominance in the NE.

5) You say my post is "ACC is great"? LOL. Please read the last sentence i posted.

My point was that neither the BE or ACC dominates any region of the country.

And that's true.

You read what you wrote right? Seriously, no one in Boston gives a crap about BC. I might be from Jersey but my roots run into New England too. Half my family is from Boston, my dad grew up there, I spend alot of time there. Noone and I mean noone cares about BC. What idiots like you don't realize and I work in this industry is that New York means alot more than the 5 boroughs. North and Central NJ are part of the New York market. Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, Nassau, and Suffolk Counties are part of the New York City market. Southeastern CT is part of the NYC market. And yes they care about Rutgers and UConn. Rutgers football and UConn basketball are huge.

NYC can support a lot of teams, they just haven't had much reason to follow college football. With the rise of Rutgers and growth of UCONN, it's getting exciting here. Syracuse even has a footprint in NYC with a strong alumni base and people follow the school since it's in New York State. Cable channels even air local programming about 'Cuse sports here. It's a three-team town here in NYC with Rutgers building a lot of enthuisiasm in New York.

Rutgers also has some excitement in the Philly market, so I would say the Big East has a grasp on the Northeast.

Stop bitching.

Say how are you liking Brooklyn? I'm looking into Jersey City and Hoboken on this side in the near future myself. I was in Coney Island about two weeks ago for a Cyclones game. And your Phillies are doing their best to catch my collapsing Mets.
<br>Anyrate to underscore your point, there's alot more to this market than Manhattan and the gentrifying parts of Brooklyn, the 6 Northeastern counties in NJ (Bergen, Hudson, Essex, Union, Passaic, and Middlesex), where the bulk of the state's population resides and the two largest campuses are located, is getting into Rutgers. The Village Voice had an error riddled article mind you about why New York should adopt Rutgers as its team over Notre Dame considering New York's NFL teams play in Jersey too. People who aren't from here or don't live here just don't understand how this all works. And that's just Rutgers. Syracuse still has a big role. UConn basketball is widely followed and I think that their football will grow too. New York could support three main College Football teams just fine. It could also support three NFL franchises and three MLB franchises. In fact with a lesser population we've supported 3 MLB franchises just fine.

This conversation sure degenerated quickly.

brista21 Wrote:Say how are you liking Brooklyn? I'm looking into Jersey City and Hoboken on this side in the near future myself. I was in Coney Island about two weeks ago for a Cyclones game. And your Phillies are doing their best to catch my collapsing Mets.
<br>Anyrate to underscore your point, there's alot more to this market than Manhattan and the gentrifying parts of Brooklyn, the 6 Northeastern counties in NJ (Bergen, Hudson, Essex, Union, Passaic, and Middlesex), where the bulk of the state's population resides and the two largest campuses are located, is getting into Rutgers. The Village Voice had an error riddled article mind you about why New York should adopt Rutgers as its team over Notre Dame considering New York's NFL teams play in Jersey too. People who aren't from here or don't live here just don't understand how this all works. And that's just Rutgers. Syracuse still has a big role. UConn basketball is widely followed and I think that their football will grow too. New York could support three main College Football teams just fine. It could also support three NFL franchises and three MLB franchises. In fact with a lesser population we've supported 3 MLB franchises just fine.

It's not bad, but being from Philly, I've never been much of a fan of NYC. Just waiting for the near future when I can move in with the [college sweetheart] g/f and get out of the city or hopefully move back down to Philly.

You're right, though. Northern NJ (though not as nice as South Jersey, haha) makes up a lot of the NYC metro area and is really on board with Rutgers. These fans were always here, they just had nothing to cheer for. Rutgers has a real chance to become an annual national power now that they've finally broken through.

oh yeah, don't worry about the Phils...they'll collapse at the end as usual.

Miami looked good last night

frogman Wrote:O-k I'm back because I'm sooooo jealous of the ACC I can't leave them alone. That's why I'm on the BE board everyday because I'm jealous of the ACC.

I'm going to respond to your points and thanks for numbering them for me.

1. The ACC is NOT working. You summed it up yourself when you said "A team" in answer number one. A team is working, so it seems so far, in the ACC but the conference is not working. Swofford claimed to be building a superconference, some said the best conference inthe land, and now you have "A Team" that is doing well but not really well if you consider they only have three conference wins and an extremely weak OOC schedule. How far can they go. Swofford can't sell the ACC on one one team that is not even located in the south, the heart of the ACC. Swofford's super conference is rated the lowest BCS conference on every measure. My friend, put down the pipe, just say no to that stuff you're smoking, the ACC is NOT working.

2. Heck, Syracuse has won a national championship in both FB and BB. Maybe we'll use our championship banner to scare UofL when they come to the dome this weekend. Maybe we should have brought it out after Ill trashed us last weekend. Unfortunately those NC champs guys at Syracuse have all graduated and moved on. Same is true of the champs at Miami, Ga. Tech and Clemson and FSU. IS Swofford building a conference to boast about past success of building for the future and present?

3.New Yorkers will tune in to watch MD and RU. It's on ABC so everybody will get the game. New Yorkers love a good laugh as do I.

4. I don't know if I bragged but I do know most BE teams are winning so our markets are looking at a winner not a loser. I know Syracuse is a loser but Syracuse is "A team" not a conference. Our conference is doing well. Way better than expected.

But I'm jealous. I wish we could be in last place like the ACC. I wish we lost both our BCS and bowl games to you guys instead of winning them. I wish all the action was on the ACC NCAABBS board and the BE board was dead but all the action is on the BE board and the ACC boards are dead. You ACC guys get all the breaks. I'm just jealous.

No matter where BC or the ACC champ finishes, they have to win their BCS game against another conference's BCS champion- a feat no ACC champ has accomplished this century. Now that really makes me jealous.

The ACC is NOT working because karma is a female dog. The dastardly deeds that culminated with the repulsive raid of June 2003 and the slimy sneakout of October 2003 are being rewarded exactly as they should be.

The ACC is a perfect example of why the Big East football schools should stay as far away as possible from a thrown together 12 team amalgamation for the stupid purpose of copying the SEC. That isn't for everyone.

The ACC was hoping for a FSU-Miami title game cash cow every year and they haven't even come close yet. That is what happens when a league has no depth. The public is not enamored with the product they have.

The ACC has their money, though, and they better enjoy it because no network will be foolish enough to waste their cashflow on that kind of "potential" again. The product will get better but it will never reach its promise.

The next ACC TV deal will be for considerably less than the current one. I wonder how BC, Miami, and VT will react when the next TV contract turns out to be for less than The BEast gets?

Miami and Virginia Tech are smack dab in the ACC footprint and there will not be anything they can do about it. Boston College follows the money so, if the football schools ever split and the BC administration ever changes, it would not surprise me at all to see them leave the ACC and get back with the Big East football schools.

Boston College would have three solidly local and potentially intense rivalries with UConn, Syracuse, and Rutgers. BC would also have historical connections with Pitt and West Virginia while easily picking up new rivalries with Cincinnati and Louisville plus they could maintain Sunshine State recruiting with trips to USF (and maybe UCF).

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Miami and Virginia Tech are smack dab in the ACC footprint and there will not be anything they can do about it. Boston College follows the money so, if the football schools ever split and the BC administration ever changes, it would not surprise me at all to see them leave the ACC and get back with the Big East football schools.

Boston College would have three solidly local and potentially intense rivalries with UConn, Syracuse, and Rutgers. BC would also have historical connections with Pitt and West Virginia while easily picking up new rivalries with Cincinnati and Louisville plus they could maintain Sunshine State recruiting with trips to USF (and maybe UCF).

Thank you.
And I was beginning the think I was the only one who saw the simple logic of money. Better rivalries, less travel and if the money was the same it's a no brainer.
You burn bridges, you rebuild bridges- that's why you hire good P.R. people, to spin it all in your favor. BC has no love for the ACC- it's a paycheck.